The Impossible Obama-Care Fix

fmw said:

That the government would handle things at a lower cost is a belief, not a fact. Too many other factors. Sorry I reject the concept.

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If you just make the argument that something is not true because you don't believe it, that is a useless argument.

The 80 to 85% payout rate for private insurance companies was required under the ACA because there were so many insurance plans being sold where the payout rate was 50% or less and consumers had no idea.

Here's just a few reasons why private insurance can't compete:

They have thousands of plans and have to keep track of them medicare has one.
They spend tons of money on advertising. I often get tired of seeing ads for United Healthcare.
They have to make a profit.
Look at personnel. Medicare has about 6,000, United Healthcare has about 100,000. A lot of that has to do with the complexity of their plans. All those extra people cost big-time!

It's not like they make any thing or provide any complex service.

What is your "belief" based on?

George50 said:

If you just make the argument that something is not true because you don't believe it, that is a useless argument.

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No you leave a lot out of the issue. You cherry pick "facts" to suit your ideology. As an example, the government itself warns that Medicare is insolvent. You have half the country up in arms that veterans aren't getting adequate service at the VA hospitals. You fail to mention that ACA is a complete disaster for everyone that isn't eligible to have the government pay for it. Sorry, i reject your premise and repeat that you and others like you stand in the way fixing things.

fmw said:

No you leave a lot out of the issue. You cherry pick "facts" to suit your ideology. As an example, the government itself warns that Medicare is insolvent. You have half the country up in arms that veterans aren't getting adequate service at the VA hospitals. You fail to mention that ACA is a complete disaster for everyone that isn't eligible to have the government pay for it. Sorry, i reject your premise and repeat that you and others like you stand in the way fixing things.

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As an example, the government itself warns that Medicare is insolvent.

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This argument makes no sense. Medicare could COST 1/10 of what private insurance costs and still be insolvent! The point here is that Medicare COSTS less than private insurance for the same benefits to the consumer. The fact that there is a funding problem is a separate issue. Getting rid of medicare only increases costs and makes matters worse! Why on earth would we want to pay more for the same thing?

You have half the country up in arms that veterans aren't getting adequate service at the VA hospitals. You fail to mention that ACA is a complete disaster for everyone that isn't eligible to have the government pay for it.

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Neither of these have anything to do with Medicare. They are separate issues.

Sorry, i reject your premise and repeat that you and others like you stand in the way fixing things.

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Please try again to make an argument that supports your position.

George50 said:

This argument makes no sense. Medicare could COST 1/10 of what private insurance costs and still be insolvent! The point here is that Medicare COSTS less than private insurance for the same benefits to the consumer. The fact that there is a funding problem is a separate issue. Getting rid of medicare only increases costs and makes matters worse! Why on earth would we want to pay more for the same thing?



Neither of these have anything to do with Medicare. They are separate issues.



Please try again to make an argument that supports your position.

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I did. You failed to understand it.

TheHammer said:

Surely you’ll present the evidence that the Republicans spent 7 years to make Obamacare a failure, right?





My OP lays out the impossible situation the Republicans are in. I have no faith they’ll make healthcare any better either. The problem is neither the Republicans or Democrats can and will improve healthcare from the federal level because healthcare isn’t even a constitutional authority of the feds. Healthcare, according to the 10th amendment, is the authority of the States. Every State has the authority to decide their own healthcare, or not. The nation becomes a microcosm of healthcare solutions and 50 States get to observe and learn from the other 49 States. That’s the constitutional solution and likely the only realistic solution to a better healthcare system.

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That is a good argument except that states like "free" federal money (for subsidies to their residents) much more than they like raising their own taxes (to provide similar subsidies). The problem faced by republicants is now how to pretend to remove a federal subsidy without actually doing so. Note that the republicant plan has morphed from repeal PPACA (give that power back to the states) to replace PPACA. With nobody (in DC) wanting to return control and funding of medical care insurance to the states your constitutional argument is moot.

fmw said:

I did. You failed to understand it.

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That's because your arguments make no sense. See I can throw insults too! That doesn't add to the discussion.