Trump Administration Rescinds Rules on Bathrooms for Transgender Students

JumpinJack said:

This is fine. I didn't think that transgenders should automatically be able to use a bathroom not jiving with their genitals. It's a right to privacy issue, for me.

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Privacy to be away from transgenders?

If the states want to address it individually, that's fine.

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Not fine. Civil rights are federal jurisdiction.

For the schools, I think a unisex bathroom, in addn to the gender-based ones, is a good solution. There's a cost issue to that, though.

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Separate but equal?

VanceMack said:

The Army policy on transgenders makes the most sense. Pee where your genitalia fits. Shower where your genitalia fits. If you have a dick, go to the mens room. If not, go to the ladies room. If that really bothers you, hold it til you get home.

Sweet baby hay Zeus. Its amazing this is so hard for people to comprehend.

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"Hard for people to comprehend"?

Praxas said:

It's actually more amazing that people are making a big deal out of trans genders using a restroom. Here's a hint they've been doing it for decades and chances are you've been in a restroom with one and never noticed.

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Newsflash to men dressed up as women: You do not look like a woman. People know you are "different." Not saying people look down on you, but you should be aware you're not passing, if people are looking closely.

Example: I was looking at a pic of a supermodel recently. It gave her name. She had said something controversial. As soon as I saw the picture, I knew she was a guy. Despite the makeup, the hair, the name. Caitlin Jenner does not look like a woman. They look similar to women, but not quite right.

If they go through the full change, they can look like women. Even then, it's not quite right. The hands are too large, the arms too long, the legs too short proportionally, the hips too narrow, the shoulders too wide, the body fat too low.

But that's not the point. In the restroom, I view it as a right to privacy, so that women should not be forced to use the bathroom next to men (even if they identify as women).

A unisex bathroom solves the problem. Anyone can use it. If the line is too long in the women's bathroom, a woman can go to the unisex bathroom, as can a man, as can a transgender.

ecofarm said:

Separate but equal?

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Anyone and everyone can use a unisex bathroom. It does not separate anyone out. It's a good solution, IMO, except for the cost. Every time we use a bathroom at a service station, where there is one room with toilet with a door that locks...that's a unisex bathroom that everyone can use.

There is more than the rights of transgenders at issue. Other people have rights, as well.

I am in agreement with gay right to marriage, nondiscrimination in the work place, and the like. But this is going too far because it invades the privacy of others.

I don't know how men feel about women who identify as male using the bathroom next to them. But as a woman, I do feel my right to privacy is invaded when a man is allowed to use the bathroom next to me, even though the man identifies as female. It's none of my business if someone wants to live as another gender in most respects, but when it comes to invading my private space to use the bathroom not next to males, that crosses the line, IMO. We are biologically different. Females are often raised differently from men, and are more modest. This is an issue for a lot of women.

But the courts will hash this out. If the courts decide that they have that right, then that's it. That will become the law.

JumpinJack said:

Anyone and everyone can use a unisex bathroom. It does not separate anyone out. It's a good solution, IMO, except for the cost.

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Sure, like whites could use black drinking fountains. Everyone and anyone could use black fountains; it did not separate anyone out.

It's absurd. The whole thing is stupid. There is no social impact whatsoever in allowing people to use the bathroom they're dressed for. Transgenders are not more likely to attack children in bathrooms. No one will be prompted by equal rights to become a bathroom preying child predator. The existing bathroom child predators will do what they always have and always will. Allowing toilet use in accordance with identity harms no one. Just stop it.

Beyond the idiocy of the whole thing, civil rights is federal jurisdiction.

ecofarm said:

Sure, like whites could use black drinking fountains. Everyone and anyone could use black fountains; it did not separate anyone out.

It's absurd. The whole thing is stupid. There is no social impact whatsoever in allowing people to use the bathroom they're dressed for. Transgenders are not more likely to attack children in bathrooms. No one will be prompted by equal rights to become a bathroom preying child predator. The existing bathroom child predators will do what they always have and always will. Allowing toilet use in accordance with identity harms no one. Just stop it.

Beyond the idiocy of the whole thing, civil rights is federal jurisdiction.

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We disagree on this. It's not just the transgender rights. It's also the rights of others. Men don't have the right to use the women's bathroom, as I see it. It's an invasion of the right of privacy of the women. You are not acknowledging the rights of others. You are only thinking of the rights of the transgenders, as if they are somehow more important than others.

Women have a right not to use the bathroom with men. Even men who want to be like women. It's a biological thing.

A unisex bathroom would solve the issue. Bathrooms are not like water fountains. A woman isn't performing private acts at a water fountain. And water fountains aren't assigned to gender.

Let the courts decide.

Transgender males are not women. Identifying as such doesn't make it so. It crosses a line to pretend transgenders are biologically female, where it matters what a person is biologically.

There's nothing wrong with a unisex bathroom. We all use them often. That's not at all like a "colored only" water fountain. Water fountains have nothing to do with the private act of using the bathroom or being gender-separated, and "colored only" water fountains were not used by anyone other than people of color. A more apt analogy would be using the female locker rooms in a gym. Some gyms allow it, some don't.

I guess men want to use the women's facilities because they're afraid they'll get beaten up in the men's bathroom? In that case, unisex bathrooms would be a good solution. Gender doesn't matter.

Let the courts decide, when there are competing rights.

TheGoverness said:

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Welp, I had a feeling that this was coming. According to NBC Nightly News, there are some protests going out outside the White House at the moment as a result of this.

I have to say I agree with Betsy's viewpoint on this one, even though she eventually caved.

What are your thoughts on this decision?

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Okay.
This is as good a place as any to ask.
Is there a medical or psychological standard definition of "Transgender"?
I have a feeling some people are using the word as a catch-all to mean whatever the hell they want it to mean and it may not be the same as what the listener perceives.
You'd think there would have to be a common definition in order to use it in a Federal Law, Executive Order, Executive Action, State Law, Local Law, School Directive, ... whatever.
So ... what is that definition?

"Trump Administration Rescinds Rules on Bathrooms for Transgender Students"

Yet another solution in search of a problem.

TheGoverness said:

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Welp, I had a feeling that this was coming. According to NBC Nightly News, there are some protests going out outside the White House at the moment as a result of this.

I have to say I agree with Betsy's viewpoint on this one, even though she eventually caved.

What are your thoughts on this decision?

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Yep me too. Trump is not a true friend to rights, equality or most specifically in this case the LBGT community no matter his claims.

It's sad that now "potentially" many students, children, that had an aspect of discrimination, bullying, exclusion and harassment removed from their lives now might have it added again. SMH .. why even wast time reversing somethign that was the right move when theres much more important things going on.

Just more evidence of the same old same old. Some people simply dont see transgenders as equal just like the same type of people didnt see race, gender and religion equal in the past,

Eventually SCOTUS will right this on a national level though....

Praxas said:

It's actually more amazing that people are making a big deal out of trans genders using a restroom. Here's a hint they've been doing it for decades and chances are you've been in a restroom with one and never noticed.

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Yep . . some how this is NEW false outrage.