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Are Liberals Helping Trump?

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/18/opinion/sunday/are-liberals-helping-trump.html?_r=1

Medford should be a natural ally for liberals trying to convince the country that Mr. Trump was a bad choice. But it is not working out that way. Every time Mr. Medford dips into the political debate — either with strangers on Facebook or friends in New York and Los Angeles — he comes away feeling battered by contempt and an attitude of moral superiority.
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Liberals may feel energized by a surge in political activism, and a unified stance against a president they see as irresponsible and even dangerous. But that momentum is provoking an equal and opposite reaction on the right. In recent interviews, conservative voters said they felt assaulted by what they said was a kind of moral Bolshevism — the belief that the liberal vision for the country was the only right one. Disagreeing meant being publicly shamed.

Protests and righteous indignation on social media and in Hollywood may seem to liberals to be about policy and persuasion. But moderate conservatives say they are having the opposite effect, chipping away at their middle ground and pushing them closer to Mr. Trump.
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Mrs. O’Connell is a registered Democrat. She voted for Bill Clinton twice. But she has drifted away from the party over what she said was a move from its middle-class economic roots toward identity politics. She remembers Mr. Clinton giving a speech about the dangers of illegal immigration. Mr. Trump was lambasted for offering some of the same ideas, she said."The Democratic Party has changed so much that I don’t even recognize it anymore,” she said. “These people are destroying our democracy. They are scarier to me than these Islamic terrorists. I feel absolutely disgusted with them and their antics. It strengthens people’s resolve in wanting to support President Trump. It really does.”
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I have a coworker who is middle ground, but normally votes democrat more than republican. Whenever one of these"democrats are protesting" or some on the left attack Trump's kids.. He ends up feeling further away from democrats. He doesn't like Trump, but believes that he is the president.. and is really embarrassed to be associated with what the left is doing.

Apparently, he is not the only one.
 
Americans are embarrassed at having this so-called president representing this Nation domestically and overseas .
 
I posted a thread about how the Berkeley protests did more harm than good, and I've heard other liberals express the same sentiment. Nothing wrong with what your coworker is doing by not towing the line. Much of the alt-right like Trump and Milo are trolls. It is best not to feed them and just 'protest' in other ways:

Call/write your representatives
Donate to worthy causes
Boycott Trump and anything that supports his agenda
If you have the money/time, run for local office

Also, stop watching 24/7 news!
 
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buck said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/18/opinion/sunday/are-liberals-helping-trump.html?_r=1







I have a coworker who is middle ground, but normally votes democrat more than republican. Whenever one of these"democrats are protesting" or some on the left attack Trump's kids.. He ends up feeling further away from democrats. He doesn't like Trump, but believes that he is the president.. and is really embarrassed to be associated with what the left is doing.

Apparently, he is not the only one.
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Normal Americans are embarrassed to be associated with the American alt-right wing and alt-left wing. I freakin' hope, anyway...
 
I think that the take no prisoners its our way or the highway progressives are hurting Trump.

I think they are hurting themselves more, like maybe it takes a decade to recover.
 
buck said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/18/opinion/sunday/are-liberals-helping-trump.html?_r=1







I have a coworker who is middle ground, but normally votes democrat more than republican. Whenever one of these"democrats are protesting" or some on the left attack Trump's kids.. He ends up feeling further away from democrats. He doesn't like Trump, but believes that he is the president.. and is really embarrassed to be associated with what the left is doing.

Apparently, he is not the only one.
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There is no helping it. The liberals' and civil rights activists' arrogant and malicious jubilant overshoot are very much responsible for the disgust that swept Trump into the White House. The problem for Republicans is that the major gains were by normally Democrat voting citizens not wanting to vote at all. They could return to the flock, if the activist nutters shut up for a while. And judging by the posts here in the forum the triumphalist crowing has receded.
 
NIMBY said:
Americans are embarrassed at having this so-called president representing this Nation domestically and overseas .
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Since when do you speak for all American's?

Moreover, he is not a "so-called president." He is, in fact, the President of the United States.

I'd suggest that you practice a little more clarity in your statements.

After all...isn't that one of the anti-Trump complaints? That he is not precise enough in his statements?

It would be more accurate to say that some American's feel that way.

But then again, some feel the opposite way.

And then there are some (myself included) who are more embarrassed by the antic's of some of our fellow American's and the MSM than they are about the stumbles of a President who is a novice at politics.

One who by the way is trying to keep his campaign promises. :coffeepap:
 
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Captain Adverse said:
Since when do you speak for all American's?

Moreover, he is not a "so-called president." He is, in fact, the President of the United States.

I'd suggest that you practice a little more clarity in your statement's.

After all...isn't that one of the anti-Trump complaints? That he is not precise enough in his statements?

It would be more accurate to say that some American's feel that way.

But then again, some feel the opposite way.

An then there are some (myself included) who are more embarrassed by the antic's of some of our fellow American's and the MSM than they are about the stumbles of a President who is a novice at politics.

One who by the way is trying to keep his campaign promises. :coffeepap:
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Here's an idea. How about we not elect a "novice at politics" who quite clearly has no earthly clue what in the hell he's doing.
 
Kobie said:
Here's an idea. How about we not elect a "novice at politics" who quite clearly has no earthly clue what in the hell he's doing.
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Umm...we've been doing that regularly for quite some time.

With less than satisfactory results, since political insiders seem more concerned with retaining power via catering to powerful special interest groups as opposed to effecting change.

I prefer a "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" over a crooked "Senator Joseph Paine" character any day.

Honest mistakes are better than dishonest Same S**t Different Day Party politicking IMO anyway.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Umm...we've been doing that regularly for quite some time.

With less than satisfactory results, since political insiders seem more concerned with retaining power via catering to powerful special interest groups as opposed to effecting change.

I prefer a "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" over a crooked "Senator Joseph Paine" character any day.

Honest mistakes are better than dishonest Same S**t Different Day Party politicking IMO anyway.
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Hey, I have really no problem with non-Beltway elite, non-Washington insiders achieving office, up to and including president.

I have a problem with Trump, since he's been divorced from reality for damn near four decades and is the most petulant, thin-skinned, intellectually incurious manchild I've ever seen. His entire public persona is fake, from his hilariously generous self-assessments to that joke of a doctor's note proclaiming him the most physically fit presidential candidate EVER. I realize that it's not good for the lumbar to repeatedly bend over backwards to defend the most unfit person ever to hold the presidency, but if you want to keep doing it, hey, it's YOUR back.
 
I can only speak for myself but I had severe doubts about Trump early on. I did end up voting for him because the doubts about him were less concerning than what I knew about Hillary. So far, I have liked some of what he's done and disliked some other things. The more, though, that people judge, insult, berate or try to shame me as a Trump voter, the less likely I am to consider what anti Trump folks have to say. Would anyone be interested in having a calm, reasonable discussion with someone who has started the conversation with what a terrible person you are? The hostile and sometimes hysterical screeching tends to all blend together and the last thing I want to do is reward that or even really listen to it, so yeah, the more Trump voters are attacked, the more pro Trump I become.
 
buck said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/18/opinion/sunday/are-liberals-helping-trump.html?_r=1







I have a coworker who is middle ground, but normally votes democrat more than republican. Whenever one of these"democrats are protesting" or some on the left attack Trump's kids.. He ends up feeling further away from democrats. He doesn't like Trump, but believes that he is the president.. and is really embarrassed to be associated with what the left is doing.

Apparently, he is not the only one.
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Who on the left is attacking Trump's kids?
 
Captain Adverse said:
Umm...we've been doing that regularly for quite some time.

With less than satisfactory results, since political insiders seem more concerned with retaining power via catering to powerful special interest groups as opposed to effecting change.

I prefer a "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" over a crooked "Senator Joseph Paine" character any day.

Honest mistakes are better than dishonest Same S**t Different Day Party politicking IMO anyway.
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First , I love the MR SMITH reference. One of the truly greatest films ever made and the single best film every made about politics.

Having said that, I do not think what Trump is doing is making "honest mistakes". What he is doing is allowing extremist zealots like Steve Bannon the opportunity to put their far right wet dream fantasies into action and that can only hurt the USA. Its obvious that the adults in the administration like Priebus are now mere place holders and have no significant power. You have to wonder just how long the Republican in Congress are going to put up with this half-assed, slipshod approach to government before they tell him that its time to go?
 
buck said:
I have a coworker who is middle ground, but normally votes democrat more than republican. Whenever one of these"democrats are protesting" or some on the left attack Trump's kids.. He ends up feeling further away from democrats. He doesn't like Trump, but believes that he is the president.. and is really embarrassed to be associated with what the left is doing.

Apparently, he is not the only one.
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If you don't like Trump, but feel some obligation to defend him because some of his critics are more strident than you are... then you are not very confident in yourself or your own political intuition. It's apparently easy for some to fall into that trap and become a loyal member of the flock.
 
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