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Donald trump lies about a terrorist attack happening in sweden during speech

katzgar said:
97% of what the guy says is a lie Trump is deeply deeply embarrassing
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This is what gets to me the most. We (most of us anyway) teach our kids at a very early age that lying is not acceptable. We re-inforce good behavior (being honest) and we punished bad behavior (lying) within the greater context of teaching them right from wrong.
Now, because we have an "unconventional president" telling falsehoods (a.k.a. lying) is now acceptable to his supporters. Yes, we all know that everyone makes mistakes with spoken words, but we also know that when you miss-represent facts in order to make a point that cant be made otherwise, or self-promote you are simply "lying".

Here is a good example of what Trump does: I used to race motocross and have a trophy room with about 100 trophies and plaques. I could tell you that I was a local "hotshoe" and the fastest guy on the track. I could then zoom in on my trophy case and show you some 1st. place trophies to back it up. The problem is that I wasn't the fastest guy on the track. Far from it. The overwhelming amount of my trophies are not 1st. place trophies but seconds, thirds, fourths and even some fifth place finishes. I also raced a few races where I finished dead last.
Now, in the world of Trump, if somebody pointed out my last place finishes, they would be guilty of creating "fake news" and making a "left-wing" attempt to distort my brilliant racing career and discredit my first place finishes. In other words, its a conspiracy.
The bottom line is that when you CONSTANTLY say things that are not true, you are guilty of lying. Simple as that.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
LOL! You have to go all the way back to 2010 to find a single riot then hold that up that Sweden is burning right now? Jesus christ that is dishonest. Trump flat out created a fake story because that's what Trump does. Posting a blog written by "Tyler Durden" about a riot 6 years ago doesn't really show anything other than your lack of understanding.



If he were referring to problems in general he wouldn't use a term like "Last night in Sweden". This is what Trump does, he makes up things on the spot and whether you support him or not I don't know why you feel the need to defend him on this issue when it's obvious what he said was false.

Europe could let in another 100 million asylum seekers and still have astronomically lower crime statistics than the US. That smoke you smell is America burning, not Europe.



Are you saying he did not imply something bad happened "last night in Sweden"? Was that actually a robot impersonating him? Fake rally?
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Fake story? Swedish press photographer assaulted in Rinkeby riots - The Local I am afraid it is your account of the fact that is fake. Is truth incompatible with liberal principals?
 
jdog said:
Fake story? Swedish press photographer assaulted in Rinkeby riots - The Local I am afraid it is your account of the fact that is fake. Is truth incompatible with liberal principals?
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I never said it was a fake story, please quote me directly where I said that. This isn't even the same event, the one I was responding to was from 6 years ago. The story you just posted happened last night, are you saying Donald Trump has a time machine and can see into the future? Your article doesn't list the race or nationality of the perpetrator, so you just invented your own?
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I never said it was a fake story, please quote me directly where I said that. This isn't even the same event, the one I was responding to was from 6 years ago. The story you just posted happened last night, are you saying Donald Trump has a time machine and can see into the future? Your article doesn't list the race or nationality of the perpetrator, so you just invented your own?
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You said:
"Trump flat out created a fake story because that's what Trump does. "

LOL! You have to go all the way back to 2010 to find a single riot then hold that up that Sweden is burning right now? Jesus christ that is dishonest. Trump flat out created a fake story because that's what Trump does. Posting a blog written by "Tyler Durden" about a riot 6 years ago doesn't really show anything other than your lack of understanding.
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It is the same event, stop trying to confuse the issue.
 
smartguy said:


On Friday night — the night in question — a few things did, in fact, happen in Sweden. A Stockholm newspaper helpfully laid out a few of them:

Technical problems threatened to derail a performance by singer Owe Thörnqvist.
Harsh weather in the north of the country shut down a road.
A high-speed chase in Stockholm ended with the driver under arrest.

Aftonbladet listed a few more, to be sure — the trouble is, none of those events fits what Trump implied by including Sweden in a list of places that had recently suffered terrorist attacks.

source: President Donald Trump Says, 'Look What's Happening In Sweden.' Sweden Asks, 'Wait, What?' : The Two-Way : NPR
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Take this thread down it is the 100% lie. Almost all the rape and crime committed in Sweden today is by MUSLIMS. Crime committed by actual Swedes is a statistical single digit % blip that at worst.

It must be miserable being American Progressive/Liberal/Socialist. Having parse words from imprecise statements to make an argument against Trump. Knowing that no one not a dishonest Leftist partisan would claim anything Trump has said an actual lie. He like most successful Alpha Males he occasionally exeraguates and sometimes gets things wrong, but there is nothing close to "you can keep your doctor" or "Benghazi was caused by a video".
 
Meanwhile in Sweden...Muslims riot, attack cops, and set cars on fire.

No problems there at all.
 
holbritter said:
Good god people! I'm so glad everyone says exactly what they mean in exactly the correct way at exactly the right time, that they can kick this mistake until the bones are dust! Yes, a mistake. A big one, but a mistake nonetheless. Everyone makes them even Presidents.

The man is not a good speaker, some of his comments are cringe worthy. I really don't think he was elected for his sparking personality (sarcasm) and ability to speak like a politician.

And no, I didn't jump all over Obama for every mistake he made, so don't bother going there.
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So how many non existent terrorist attacks must the President claim happened before we criticise him?
 
Aristaeus said:
So how many non existent terrorist attacks must the President claim happened before we criticise him?
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He never claimed there was a terrorist attack
 
Aristaeus said:
So how many non existent terrorist attacks must the President claim happened before we criticise him?
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You cant criticize him. Did you not get the memo? He is POTUS. As such, he is beyond reproach. He gets to lie about anything and everything and be cheered for it. If you question the accuracy of his statements, you are a Liberal "Leftist" engaging in a conspiracy to undermine POTUS and overthrow our government.

Thanks to POTUS, it is now acceptable to not tell the truth and still be respected.
 
holbritter said:
He never claimed there was a terrorist attack
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No he didn't per se. What he did do was reference a Fox news show that many had not seen and didn't know the difference. His comments leading up to those were about terrorism and many interpreted his Sweden remarks in a very different way.

He is no longer candidate Trump. He is president Trump. As such, his words have far greater meaning.

He badly needs a public speaking coach and soon..........:(
 
Casca XV said:
Take this thread down it is the 100% lie. Almost all the rape and crime committed in Sweden today is by MUSLIMS. Crime committed by actual Swedes is a statistical single digit % blip that at worst.
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Can you source this?
 
smartguy said:


On Friday night — the night in question — a few things did, in fact, happen in Sweden. A Stockholm newspaper helpfully laid out a few of them:

Technical problems threatened to derail a performance by singer Owe Thörnqvist.
Harsh weather in the north of the country shut down a road.
A high-speed chase in Stockholm ended with the driver under arrest.

Aftonbladet listed a few more, to be sure — the trouble is, none of those events fits what Trump implied by including Sweden in a list of places that had recently suffered terrorist attacks.
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This is amazing. Trump never said that there was a terrorist attack in Sweden that night yet millions apparently heard him say something he did not say.
And now instead of calling all those liars liar some are calling Trump a liar. What was the lie?
Is he responsible for every possible way people mis-hear him

BTW, sexual assaults were up 70% in Sweden in 2015 (the last year with complete data). And immigrations were up considerably in 2015.
https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/rape-and-sex-offences.html

Sexual offences
In 2015, 1.7 per cent of persons stated that they had been exposed to a sexual offence. This is an increase as compared with 2014, when 1.0 per cent stated that they had been exposed. Sexual offences remained at a relatively stable level for the period 2005-2012 with approximately 1 per cent exposure, and an increase occurred thereafter.
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For those with math problems, going from 1.0% to 1.7% is a 70% increase. If that doesn't sound like a lot, perhaps think of it as 100,000 assaults increasing to 170,000 assaults (based on population of 10 million.)

And that is the type of thing that was talked about "last night".
 
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jdog said:
Yea, don't let the fact ruin your hysterical BS rant.......
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If anything, Trump need to work on his false flag tactics. I'm sure the riots were supposed to occur on the day BEFORE Trump's speech so he could mention them, instead of the day AFTER Trump's speech. Not only is Trump an evil President, he's not even that good at it. Nixon is shifting in his grave.
 
barrycarter said:
Not only is Trump an evil President, he's not even that good at it. Nixon is shifting in his grave.
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A little "morbid", but funny nonetheless.........:)

The good news is that POTUS had not lied yet today.
The bad news is that the day is still rather young.
 
Eric7216 said:
This is amazing. Trump never said that there was a terrorist attack in Sweden that night yet millions apparently heard him say something he did not say.
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You're correct that Trump never said there was a terrorist attack, but he DID imply a specific immigrant-related event occurred on the previous night:

You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden! Who would believe this? Sweden!
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And, while things did happen in Sweden (and everywhere else), his comment doesn't apparently refer to any of those things (none of which have anything to do with his prior remarks). More details: https://www.bustle.com/p/transcript...how-what-he-thought-happened-that-didnt-39207
 
barrycarter said:
You're correct that Trump never said there was a terrorist attack, but he DID imply a specific immigrant-related event occurred on the previous night:



And, while things did happen in Sweden (and everywhere else), his comment doesn't apparently refer to any of those things (none of which have anything to do with his prior remarks). More details: https://www.bustle.com/p/transcript...how-what-he-thought-happened-that-didnt-39207
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Regardless of what he said (which as usual, was poorly constructed and delivered) his intent was to "spin up" his supporters, and play on their fears in advance of a new Muslim Ban. Sadly, it worked............:(
 
barrycarter said:
Can you source this?
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What have you been living under a rock? Muslim crime is so bad in Sweden Leftist/Socialist Govt is covering it up, but the truth still leaks out. Even a Fake News Propaganda source like Politifact in trying to call Trump a liar screws up and admits it.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...KBTJoYCwdGnka7ILg&sig2=lsMHgPm12SbwtjhBuTDNQQ

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...rG1OQBp5HafKb11GA&sig2=fQhXPS3jARFpnFcszGTL5Q

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...yJnpXMe2SlVVk5Evw&sig2=9tux5IoaiYW9GxD-Z9Iohg
 
Casca XV said:
What have you been living under a rock? Muslim crime is so bad in Sweden Leftist/Socialist Govt is covering it up, but the truth still leaks out. Even a Fake News Propaganda source like Politifact in trying to call Trump a liar screws up and admits it.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...KBTJoYCwdGnka7ILg&sig2=lsMHgPm12SbwtjhBuTDNQQ

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...rG1OQBp5HafKb11GA&sig2=fQhXPS3jARFpnFcszGTL5Q

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...yJnpXMe2SlVVk5Evw&sig2=9tux5IoaiYW9GxD-Z9Iohg
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Usually the writing in PolitiFacts is fairly comprehensive although they go off-rails with their "Pants on Fire" and other ratings. And you have to read cautiously. PolitiFacts did state:
Asylum applications in Sweden doubled from about 81,000 in 2014 to 163,000 in 2015 as more Syrians, Iraqis, Afghans and unaccompanied minors sought entry. About 51,000 of the 163,000 applicants in 2015 were from Syria
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And their own link to the Swedish study states:
In the Swedish Crime Survey (SCS), 1.7 per cent of the population (16 – 79 years of age), corresponding to approximately 129,000 persons, state that they had been exposed to sex offences. This is an increase as compared with 2014, when 1.0 per cent stated that they had been exposed.
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https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/rape-and-sex-offences.html
So that is a 70% increase in one year, from 1% to 1.7%. The same year that corresponds to an increase in the doubling of the number of applicants for entry from Syria, Afghanistan, and Iraq. An increase in sexual offenses from c. 75,000 to 129,000. Of course, we can't say that immigrants cause this and more data is needed to be conclusive. But it seems enough to be highly concerned.
 
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barrycarter said:
If anything, Trump need to work on his false flag tactics. I'm sure the riots were supposed to occur on the day BEFORE Trump's speech so he could mention them, instead of the day AFTER Trump's speech. Not only is Trump an evil President, he's not even that good at it. Nixon is shifting in his grave.
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Trump need to work? Really? :lamo
 
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