"I have nothing to do with Russia."

JumpinJack · Feb 20, 2017

Bill Clinton said on national tv, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." The country was shocked, SHOCKED! that he denied such a thing based on a technicality.

Now we have Trump saying: “I own nothing in Russia. I have no loans in Russia. I don't have any deals in Russia.” And "I have nothing to do with Russia." Notice the preposition "in" in one of those Trump statements.

Since the 1980s, Trump and his family members have made numerous trips to Moscow in search of business opportunities, and they have relied on Russian investors to buy their properties around the world.***

“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., told a real estate conference in 2008, according to an account posted on the website of eTurboNews, a trade publication. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.” ***

On the campaign trail, Trump has called for a new partnership with Moscow, overhauling NATO, the allied military force seen as the chief protector of pro-Western nations near Russia. And Trump has surrounded himself with a team of advisers who have had financial ties to Russia.

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“Russia is one of the hottest places in the world for investment,” Trump said in a 2007 deposition. “We will be in Moscow at some point,” he promised. ***

Trump’s 1987 trip ... to scope out sites for luxury hotels he hoped to build in a joint venture with the Kremlin’s hotel and tourism agency, according to Trump’s memoir, “The Art of the Deal,” which was published the same year.***

In 1996, Trump tried to partner with U.S. tobacco executives to build a luxury condominium complex in Moscow.***

In 2005, Trump signed a one-year deal with a New York development company to explore a Trump Tower in Moscow.***

In his 2008 speech, Donald Jr. announced that he had traveled to Russia six times in the previous 18 months.***

As Trump looked for deals in Russia, Russian consumers became a key market for his real estate projects in the United States and elsewhere. Trump’s partners on a Panama project traveled to Moscow in 2006 to sell condos to Russian investors, according to litigation filed in Florida. Trump also sold a mansion in Palm Beach in 2008 for $95 million to Russian oligarch Dmitry Rybolovlev, according to property records. ***

Trump’s top aides, too, have had ties to Russia. Campaign chairman Paul Manafort has done multimillion-dollar business deals with pro-Russian oligarchs and was a longtime adviser to the Russia-aligned Ukrainian president whose 2014 ouster triggered Russia’s intervention in Ukraine, a major source of tension between Russia and the United States as well as its NATO allies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-trumps-financial-ties-to-russia-and-his-unusual-flattery-of-vladimir-putin/2016/06/17/dbdcaac8-31a6-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html?utm_term=.e4072137b9be

"I guess I sell condos to Russians."

Back in 2008, Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. told investors in Moscow that the Trump Organization had trademarked the Donald Trump name in Russia and planned to build housing and hotels in Moscow, St. Petersburg and Sochi, and to sell licenses to other developers, according to the Russian daily Kommersant.

Russian billionaire Aras Agalarov spent $20 million to hold the Miss Universe Pageant that Trump brought to Moscow in 2013. The venue was Agalarov’s Crocus City Hall on the outskirts of Moscow. During Trump’s stay in Moscow, the two became so close that Trump even took part in a music video with Agalarov’s son, Emin.

“When Donald Trump was here in Moscow he said a lot of good things about our country, our culture, our people,” Agalarov told Komsomolskaya Pravda in 2015. “And in his interviews he says that if he becomes president of the United States he will certainly keep in mind that he has friends in Russia.”

Trump says 'I have nothing to do with Russia.' That's not exactly true

There are other business connections of the Trump organization and family with Russia. He's been trying to make big deals in Russia for the last 30 years, and has very close business and personal ties with Russia and with Russians who live outside of Russia.

MaggieD · Feb 20, 2017

JumpinJack said:
Bill Clinton said on national tv, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." The country was shocked, SHOCKED! that he denied such a thing based on a technicality.

Now we have Trump saying: “I own nothing in Russia. I have no loans in Russia. I don't have any deals in Russia.” And "I have nothing to do with Russia." Notice the preposition "in" in one of those Trump statements.

***

“Russia is one of the hottest places in the world for investment,” Trump said in a 2007 deposition. “We will be in Moscow at some point,” he promised. ***

Trump’s 1987 trip ... to scope out sites for luxury hotels he hoped to build in a joint venture with the Kremlin’s hotel and tourism agency, according to Trump’s memoir, “The Art of the Deal,” which was published the same year.***

In 1996, Trump tried to partner with U.S. tobacco executives to build a luxury condominium complex in Moscow.***

In 2005, Trump signed a one-year deal with a New York development company to explore a Trump Tower in Moscow.***

In his 2008 speech, Donald Jr. announced that he had traveled to Russia six times in the previous 18 months.***

As Trump looked for deals in Russia, Russian consumers became a key market for his real estate projects in the United States and elsewhere. Trump’s partners on a Panama project traveled to Moscow in 2006 to sell condos to Russian investors, according to litigation filed in Florida. Trump also sold a mansion in Palm Beach in 2008 for $95 million to Russian oligarch Dmitry Rybolovlev, according to property records. ***

Trump’s top aides, too, have had ties to Russia. Campaign chairman Paul Manafort has done multimillion-dollar business deals with pro-Russian oligarchs and was a longtime adviser to the Russia-aligned Ukrainian president whose 2014 ouster triggered Russia’s intervention in Ukraine, a major source of tension between Russia and the United States as well as its NATO allies.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-trumps-financial-ties-to-russia-and-his-unusual-flattery-of-vladimir-putin/2016/06/17/dbdcaac8-31a6-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html?utm_term=.e4072137b9be

"I guess I sell condos to Russians."

Back in 2008, Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. told investors in Moscow that the Trump Organization had trademarked the Donald Trump name in Russia and planned to build housing and hotels in Moscow, St. Petersburg and Sochi, and to sell licenses to other developers, according to the Russian daily Kommersant.

Russian billionaire Aras Agalarov spent $20 million to hold the Miss Universe Pageant that Trump brought to Moscow in 2013. The venue was Agalarov’s Crocus City Hall on the outskirts of Moscow. During Trump’s stay in Moscow, the two became so close that Trump even took part in a music video with Agalarov’s son, Emin.

“When Donald Trump was here in Moscow he said a lot of good things about our country, our culture, our people,” Agalarov told Komsomolskaya Pravda in 2015. “And in his interviews he says that if he becomes president of the United States he will certainly keep in mind that he has friends in Russia.”

Trump says 'I have nothing to do with Russia.' That's not exactly true

There are other business connections of the Trump organization and family with Russia. He's been trying to make big deals in Russia for the last 30 years, and has very close business and personal ties with Russia and with Russians who live outside of Russia.

What's your point?

GhostlyJoe · Feb 20, 2017

MaggieD said:
What's your point?

Point is pretty obvious:

Trippy Trekker · Feb 20, 2017

All who succeed at becoming POTUS face determined adversaries. Adversaries look for weaknesses. IMO, Bill Clinton moved into the WH with a reputation as a notorious womanizer. He either chose not to or did not have the discipline to stop womanizing. It came as no surprise his womanizing became a big scandal... and when confronted, he lied about it. Thereafter, impeached and acquitted, he finished his term with a reputation that still haunts him. In 1974, when the Watergate scandal mushroomed, Nixon lied on national TV and it proved his undoing.
Trump, in spite of his impressive skills to market himself and his stunning electoral victory, has yet to establish competency as a President capable of handling the duties and stress that come with the office. Even with a Republican Congress, when you have David Brooks, unquestionably well-liked and well-respected in the upper echelons of Conservative Punditry, openly expressing doubt about your competency to stay in office, you have a serious problem.
I view Trump's 'Russian Problem' as just one more problem in a series of problems emblematic to his tenure as President. Like David Brooks, I do not expect Trump to finish his term. I also have faith that our checks and balances protect We the American People and our many global allies from Trump becoming an American Dictator or perpetrating imminent disaster. In a best case scenario, the election of Trump serves as a catalyst for positive change.

slick · Feb 20, 2017

So Trump called Putin a great leader, and among the 30 or so countries Flynn
talked to happened to be Russia before becoming a prominent Trump advisor
that has to mean they were in cahoots to destroy Clinton's candidacy.
2 + 2 must equal 7 in some odd minds.

That almost like saying there was something clandestine going on
between General Sherman & 'The Wizard of the Saddle' Nathan Bedford Forrest
because Sherman stated that Forrest was “the most
remarkable man our civil war produced on either side.'

Bob N · Feb 20, 2017

Trippy Trekker said:
I do not expect Trump to finish his term.

I don't either. I predict he will be impeached before he even finishes half a term. :roll:

Geoist · Feb 20, 2017

MaggieD said:
What's your point?

Why do you always find it necessary to defend someone as repugnant as Trump? Do you really hate liberals that much?

cuban smokes · Feb 20, 2017

an elementary school student in fifth garde would know tRump is a pathological LYING narcissist

all it takes is a little bit of paying attention; that's all ..........

Winston · Feb 20, 2017

JumpinJack said:
Bill Clinton said on national tv, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." The country was shocked, SHOCKED! that he denied such a thing based on a technicality.

Now we have Trump saying: “I own nothing in Russia. I have no loans in Russia. I don't have any deals in Russia.” And "I have nothing to do with Russia." Notice the preposition "in" in one of those Trump statements.

Thank you for compiling all of Trump's proposed business ventures in Russia. Trump's statements above look mighty hypocritical in light of this evidence to the contrary. Because Trump has such bad credit from multiple bankruptcies, he sought the Bayrock Group to finance some Trump projects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayrock_Group

The Bayrock Group,1.

Vox said:
” helped develop huge Trump projects in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Phoenix, Arizona, and New York.

Then there's ties his former campaign manager Paul Manafort has to pro-Russian former president of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych. Manafort did extensive consulting for Yanukovych.

1.Fact-checking Trump's claim that he has no business ties to Russia - Vox

MaggieD · Feb 20, 2017

Geoist said:
Why do you always find it necessary to defend someone as repugnant as Trump? Do you really hate liberals that much?

Egoist, this guy has never been in prison, never been charged with a crime, as far as I know never been arrested. He is worth billions. He has children with, what? Three wives? Who love him very much. Before he ran for the presidency, he wasn't slandered any more than many/most high profile people in our world. He's 69 years old. Was never a politician. He has more than fulfilled Maslow's Hierarchy of Need, a time when people begin to look around and wonder how ELSE they can give back. He's received many awards for good deeds. And then he ran for the presidency. And everything changed.

He is NOT a bad man. Has he said some dumb things? Yeah, he has. He's not a politician. And he is NOT the devil the political left has made him out to be. He could save four children and two puppies from a burning building and he would still be hated by the Left. The press is not treating him fairly. Protesters are protesting against things re Trump that make no sense. Wearing vaginas on their heads, for God's sake. There is no doubt in my mind that there is an organized deliberate movement to destroy him and topple the Republican White House.

Conservatives are under attack. Their standard bearer is Donald Trump. The Left is determined to destroy him. Members of CONGRESS are talking about removing him from office because they hint that he is mentally deranged. Members of CONGRESS are talking about impeaching him. For WHAT??? John McCain IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY is telling people he cannot be trusted. Here in country he is insinuating that we are in danger of having a dictator. WHAT HAS HE DONE??

MaggieD · Feb 20, 2017

Winston said:
Thank you for compiling all of Trump's proposed business ventures in Russia. Trump's statements above look mighty hypocritical in light of this evidence to the contrary. Because Trump has such bad credit from multiple bankruptcies, he sought the Bayrock Group to finance some Trump projects.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayrock_Group

The Bayrock Group,1.

Then there's ties his former campaign manager Paul Manafort has to pro-Russian former president of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych. Manafort did extensive consulting for Yanukovych.

1.Fact-checking Trump's claim that he has no business ties to Russia - Vox

OMG, he's probably five steps away from Kevin Bacon, too.

Vetplus40 · Feb 20, 2017

First off, we have no idea what Trumps true net worth is. We also, don't know how moral or immoral he really is. He is certainly not the "devil" as the "not my president" folks tend to believe. He is also not "The second coming of Christ" as many of his most loyal supporters would have you believe.

Many of Trumps issues would be cleared up by simply releases his tax returns. The fact that he claims they are under audit doesn't prevent them from being released. The fact that he has never proven that they actually are under audit is "suspect" as well.

Winston · Feb 20, 2017

MaggieD said:
OMG, he's probably five steps away from Kevin Bacon, too.

Here's a small list of people Trump associates with that have had Russian business interests or connections

Rex Tillerson - $500 Billion dollar oil deal hanging on sanctions
Paul Manafort - Consulted for pro Russian former president of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych
Roger Stone - Successfully predicted the dnc hack, under investigation by the FBI for Russian communications during the campaign
Michael Flynn - Had to resign from National Security Adviser over communication with Russia about sanctions
Carter Page - Visits Moscow before campaign, FBI interviewed him about possible communications with Russia

You don't think Comey will indict if he has the evidence?

Geoist · Feb 20, 2017

MaggieD said:
Egoist,

Well, aren't you clever. Considering the man you support is the king of egoists, I'll take that as a compliment.

this guy has never been in prison, never been charged with a crime, as far as I know never been arrested.

Never been charged? He and his father had been sued by the federal government for housing discrimination and lost.

He has also, more recently, been charged for fraud through Trump University which he settled.

I am not going to list everything but you should know better than to make the claim "Trump has never been charged with a crime."

He is worth billions.

So?

He has children with, what? Three wives? Who love him very much.

This is the first I've seen of anyone making the claim that having three wives makes you an upstanding citizen. He bragged about cheating on his wives, oh yes, I'm sure his exes love him very much.

Before he ran for the presidency, he wasn't slandered any more than many/most high profile people in our world.

He's always been known as a loud-mouthed buffoon.

He's 69 years old.

So?

Was never a politician.

Not having experience for the job is a plus? What parallel universe does this come from?

He is NOT a bad man.

He is combative, pompous, a liar, a cheater, a narcissist, thin-skinned, disgusting, etc. He is the very definition of a bad man.

Has he said some dumb things? Yeah, he has. He's not a politician.

Newsflash: Trump is president. He is a politician.

And he is NOT the devil the political left has made him out to be. He could save four children and two puppies from a burning building and he would still be hated by the Left.

Only Trumpkins love him. Are you not aware of how the GOP tried to derail his campaign? Are you not aware of some of the conservatives on this forum who have been very outspoken against him? Are you familiar with the website Redstate? I've read some scathing articles about Trump on that conservative site.

The press is not treating him fairly.

Trump gives them more than enough ammunition.

Protesters are protesting against things re Trump that make no sense.

What makes no sense is this sentence.

Wearing vaginas on their heads, for God's sake. There is no doubt in my mind that there is an organized deliberate movement to destroy him and topple the Republican White House.

I have no doubt about that either. The guy is an embarrassment.

Conservatives are under attack. Their standard bearer is Donald Trump.

Lol.

The Left is determined to destroy him.

Correction: Everyone who isn't a Trumpkin is determined to destroy him.

Members of CONGRESS are talking about removing him from office because they hint that he is mentally deranged.

Well, he is. It is called Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Members of CONGRESS are talking about impeaching him. For WHAT??? John McCain IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY is telling people he cannot be trusted.

That Leftist McCain!

Here in country he is insinuating that we are in danger of having a dictator. WHAT HAS HE DONE??

He cozzies up to dictators and tries to undermine our democratic system (referring to "so-called judges" and calling the media "the enemy.") This is unprecedented and shows signs of dictatorial tendencies. I know you wish to remain partisan-blind, but Trump is as dangerous of a president as we've ever had.

MaggieD · Feb 20, 2017

I wanted to say my piece since you asked me. I'm not going to respond to your post except to say that Egoist was either a slip of my fingers or autocorrect. No offense intended.

"I have nothing to do with Russia."

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