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Shocking rain damage is wakeup call to fix ailing roads, infrastructure, experts say

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We were gripped by riveting video of the 20-foot sinkhole in Studio City that swallowed two vehicles in the wake of Friday’s storm and the 15 Freeway collapse in the Cajon Pass that flung a fire engine around like a toy truck.But for some, it wasn’t just dramatic, breath-taking video, it was reality TV.
Besides undermining roads in a vivid way, the monster soaker underscored the need to bolster Southern California’s aging transportation network, current and former officials said Saturday.
“I’m not surprised by any of this that is happening right now because we have been delaying maintenance everywhere,” said Hasan Ikhrata, executive director of the Los Angeles-based Southern California Association of Governments.
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Shocking rain damage is wakeup call to fix ailing roads, infrastructure, experts say

Contrast this with:
California is once again leading the way in financial irresponsibility by subsidizing health care for illegal alien children, further burdening the state’s taxpayers.The LA Times reports that the subsidized healthcare is a part of a $115.4 billion budget and would be available to 170,000 children at the age of 18 or younger. The cost is expected to be $132 million when fully implemented. The program will begin in May.
The Los Angeles Daily News features proponents of subsidized healthcare to illegal children saying that the state can afford to help low-income illegal children because California has billions of dollars in surplus.
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https://townhall.com/columnists/aar...y-to-illegals-is-crippling-the-state-n2022878

And the budget:
California Gov. Jerry Brown's budget highlights

Lol.
 
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Brown also cut mental health funding by almost a billion dollars in California. There's no money for infrastructure or the mentally ill, yet the state will spare no expense in funding illegal immigration.
 
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truthatallcost said:
Brown also cut mental health funding by almost a billion dollars in California. There's no money for infrastructure or the mentally ill, yet the state will spare no expense in funding illegal immigration.
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Making this even better entertainment is the fact that this state has more than a little experience with Taxpayer Revolts, yet they tool along as if this is the furthest thing from their minds.
 
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truthatallcost said:
Brown also cut mental health funding by almost a billion dollars in California. There's no money for infrastructure or the mentally ill, yet the state will spare no expense in funding illegal immigration.
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As president, Reagan stopped funding mental health institutions and put the mental patients out on the street to fend for themselves.
 
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Hawkeye10 said:
Making this even better entertainment is the fact that this state has more than a little experience with Taxpayer Revolts, yet they tool along as if this is the furthest thing from their minds.
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There's no tax revolt possible here Hawk. People here revolt when there's a threat to cut social programs for illegals, or when a flamboyantly gay Milo speaks at Berkeley.
 
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Moot said:
As president, Reagan stopped funding mental health institutions and put the patients out on the street to fend for themselves.
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That's true. It's also not really relevant to what's going on 30 years later, is it?
 
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truthatallcost said:
That's true. It's also not really relevant to what's going on 30 years later, is it?
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Well, it kinda is...because people that should be in institutions are still walking the streets because there's no place for them to go.
 
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Moot said:
Well, it kinda is...because people that should be in institutions are still walking the streets because there's no place for them to go.
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If only we could if had a Democrat president Or two after Regan to set things right. The mentality ill have been ignored by both parties blaming Regan is just easier than having to focus on how we all let mentality unstable suffer
 
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Moot said:
Well, it kinda is...because people that should be in institutions are still walking the streets because there's no place for them to go.
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If you really want to delve into it, you'll find that Reagan wasn't alone in opening the floodgates for the mentally ill to live outside of institutions. In fact, the ACLU was one of the biggest advocates for releasing the mentally ill onto the streets, and lawsuits they filed in the 70's influenced 35 states into closing permanent mental health facilities.

Furthermore, Jerry Brown and his dad both let thousands of mental patients out:

In California, for example, the number of patients in state mental hospitals reached a peak of 37,500 in 1959 when Edmund G. Brown was Governor, fell to 22,000 when Ronald Reagan attained that office in 1967, and continued to decline under his administration and that of his successor, Edmund G. Brown Jr. The senior Mr. Brown now expresses regret about the way the policy started and ultimately evolved. ''They've gone far, too far, in letting people out,'' he said in an interview.
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HOW RELEASE OF MENTAL PATIENTS BEGAN - NYTimes.com

The "Edmund Brown Jr" that the NYT refers to here, is Jerry Brown.
 
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Renae said:
Shocking rain damage is wakeup call to fix ailing roads, infrastructure, experts say

Contrast this with:

https://townhall.com/columnists/aar...y-to-illegals-is-crippling-the-state-n2022878

And the budget:
California Gov. Jerry Brown's budget highlights

Lol.
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When I lived in cali almost a decade ago, the roads were mostly crap then, as well as the rest of the infrastructure. In calis defense though, they have one of the most extensive road systems in the country, and the high travel rate makes repairs even with proper funds a severe challenge, as any construction on a major highway can bottleneck drivers.

But at the same time, the entire time I lived in cali, i-10 at redlands was always under construction, it seems like it takes them years to do what a construction firm can do in 3 days, and every time anyone hit redlands, traffic would come to a screaching halt.
 
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beerftw said:
When I lived in cali almost a decade ago, the roads were mostly crap then, as well as the rest of the infrastructure. In calis defense though, they have one of the most extensive road systems in the country, and the high travel rate makes repairs even with proper funds a severe challenge, as any construction on a major highway can bottleneck drivers.

But at the same time, the entire time I lived in cali, i-10 at redlands was always under construction, it seems like it takes them years to do what a construction firm can do in 3 days, and every time anyone hit redlands, traffic would come to a screaching halt.
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The average Cal-Trans worker could probably retire by the time they finish their first project :lol:
 
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beerftw said:
When I lived in cali almost a decade ago, the roads were mostly crap then, as well as the rest of the infrastructure. In calis defense though, they have one of the most extensive road systems in the country, and the high travel rate makes repairs even with proper funds a severe challenge, as any construction on a major highway can bottleneck drivers.

But at the same time, the entire time I lived in cali, i-10 at redlands was always under construction, it seems like it takes them years to do what a construction firm can do in 3 days, and every time anyone hit redlands, traffic would come to a screaching halt.
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I'd mock Cali's construction times, but I'm in San Antonio, we're in the middle of a massive overhaul... it's... massive, and it's taking for every. The road I travel a lot, Potranco, has been getting expanded from a 2 lane to a 4 lane, one slow section at a time.
 
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Chillfolks said:
If only we could if had a Democrat president Or two after Regan to set things right. The mentality ill have been ignored by both parties blaming Regan is just easier than having to focus on how we all let mentality unstable suffer
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After voting for Reagan twice...that's the reason I switched parties.
 
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Renae said:
I'd mock Cali's construction times, but I'm in San Antonio, we're in the middle of a massive overhaul... it's... massive, and it's taking for every. The road I travel a lot, Potranco, has been getting expanded from a 2 lane to a 4 lane, one slow section at a time.
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It aint just cali with lohng construction, in my town it took a year to pave a few hundred feet of road, only to find out it was because the city could not afford it, so they tore up the road knowing it was the only way for some people to get to their houses, and fining them for traveling to their own houses to pay for finishing it. The bigger travesty was that same road was in perfect shape when they tore it up as it was repaved the prior year.

We also had loop 363 take eternity in temple, I swear they had to have been working 15 minutes a day max as slow as it went. What I think happens is that it is bad to fire them on slowdowns for city/county/state work, so instead of just keeping them on standby they create bogus projects and make them waste time to justify their paychecks, rather than admit they have no work at that moment, but they can't fire them because **** happens and they might need them tomorrow.
 
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truthatallcost said:
If you really want to delve into it, you'll find that Reagan wasn't alone in opening the floodgates for the mentally ill to live outside of institutions. In fact, the ACLU was one of the biggest advocates for releasing the mentally ill onto the streets, and lawsuits they filed in the 70's influenced 35 states into closing permanent mental health facilities.

Furthermore, Jerry Brown and his dad both let thousands of mental patients out:


HOW RELEASE OF MENTAL PATIENTS BEGAN - NYTimes.com

The "Edmund Brown Jr" that the NYT refers to here, is Jerry Brown.
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It was the defunding at the federal level that I remember most...because I lived in LA and saw the results with my own eyes.

According to the NYT article...the states had pretty much stopped funding mental health care and relied on the federal government...so Reagan must've known this because he was the governor during that time period...and signed the 1967 Lanterman-Short Act into law. which made involuntary hospitalization of mentally ill people vastly more difficult. One year after the law went into effect, the number of mentally ill people in the criminal-justice system doubled.

So there's really no excuse for his defunding the mental institutions at the federal level after he became president...because he knew the state programs weren't working and the prisons were filling the void.

"...Under President Ronald Reagan, the 1981 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act repeals Carter's community health legislation and establishes block grants for the states, ending the federal government's role in providing services to the mentally ill. Federal mental-health spending decreases by 30 percent...."

By 1985 the Federal funding drops to 11 percent of community mental-health agency budgets...."

TIMELINE: Deinstitutionalization And Its Consequences | Mother Jones
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Moot said:
It was the defunding at the federal level that I remember most...because I lived in LA and saw the results with my own eyes.

According to the NYT article...the states had pretty much stopped funding mental health care and relied on the federal government...so Reagan must've known this because he was the governor during that time period...and signed the 1967 Lanterman-Short Act into law. which made involuntary hospitalization of mentally ill people vastly more difficult. One year after the law went into effect, the number of mentally ill people in the criminal-justice system doubled.

So there's really no excuse for his defunding the mental institutions at the federal level after he became president...because he knew the state programs weren't working and the prisons were filling the void.

"...Under President Ronald Reagan, the 1981 Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act repeals Carter's community health legislation and establishes block grants for the states, ending the federal government's role in providing services to the mentally ill. Federal mental-health spending decreases by 30 percent...."

By 1985 the Federal funding drops to 11 percent of community mental-health agency budgets...."

TIMELINE: Deinstitutionalization And Its Consequences | Mother Jones
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That's a part of Reagan's legacy, there's no denying it. But I'm saying that he wasn't alone in the idea that mental institutions were cruel and should be done away with. In fact, that idea was largely a liberal one at the time, similar to how they've called for less prisons and shorter sentences for the last 30 years. And look who's leading that effort in California, none other than Jerry Brown.

The previous link I sent you, said that California had 37,500 people in mental institutions under Edmund Brown Sr in 1959, but only 22,000 when Reagan took office as governor in 1967. Where did those 15,500 mental patients go? They were released by Jerky Brown's dad.
 
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Reservoirs are filling to capacity. Now watch what the leftists do come May when the rain stops falling and we enter our dry period. They'll scream about the bait fish downstream and open the flood gates releasing all the water humans need to grow food. Then we'll be back to square one again, not having enough water. Never fails. In the meantime all those mental ill people we keep in Sacramento piss away Taxpayer's money on educating illegals, providing "free" everything for them while the they ride the Bullet Train to nowhere.
 
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I cannot imagine anyone disagreeing that our countries infrastructure is in dire need of repair.

Now if we can just get POTUS to focus on something other than his insatiable ego, then we just MIGHT start seeing some progress.
 
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truthatallcost said:
That's a part of Reagan's legacy, there's no denying it. But I'm saying that he wasn't alone in the idea that mental institutions were cruel and should be done away with. In fact, that idea was largely a liberal one at the time, similar to how they've called for less prisons and shorter sentences for the last 30 years. And look who's leading that effort in California, none other than Jerry Brown.

The previous link I sent you, said that California had 37,500 people in mental institutions under Edmund Brown Sr in 1959, but only 22,000 when Reagan took office as governor in 1967. Where did those 15,500 mental patients go? They were released by Jerky Brown's dad.
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Actually it was a bi-partisan effort to do away with mental institutions and replace it with drugs. However, it was mostly a republican effort to build more prisons in the name of "getting tough on crime." So essentially it was Reagan that helped to dismantle the mental institutions and replace it with more prisons.

Under Edmund Brown Sr....not all the patients were released...only those that could be maintained on medication. But under Reagan that number tripled and after he became president...the mental institutions closed their doors which put the most vulnerable patients in the most need out on the street.
 
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We cannot afford to repair our infrastructure, we have things much more important to spend our money on like supporting illegal aliens and bombing countries on the other side of the world.
 
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Moot said:
After voting for Reagan twice...that's the reason I switched parties.
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So instead of working on a solution you just went to the other end of the problem? Neither party cares about a solution unless it has bags of cash tied to it.
 
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Chillfolks said:
So instead of working on a solution you just went to the other end of the problem? Neither party cares about a solution unless it has bags of cash tied to it.
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My solution was to vote for Obama...who got the ACA passed which has funding for mental health care. What was yours or the GOPs solution?

https://www.mentalhealth.gov/get-help/health-insurance/
 
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