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The Truth Doesn't Matter

LowDown

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When was it that we started realizing that the truth doesn't matter? I mean that people just turned a blind eye when the President lied or did something wrong? It became clear that it was whatever the President could get away with, not what was true.

I think it was with Bill Clinton. He would come out with one lie after another and it just didn't matter to his supporters or the media (but I repeat myself).

Then Obama came along and it was the same thing. Or if he did get held accountable it was too late, the lie had done it's job. Then Hillary and it was the same thing. The media cheered this on and enabled it because they wanted them to win.

It's what you can get away with. The truth doesn't matter. What matters is winning. What matters is having the power.

Trump learned it from them, or he might as well have. Trump belts out one lie, distortion, or exaggeration after another and his supporters don't care. More than that, they encourage it because they want to win, they want Trump to win, and they saw how for the last 2 decades that's the way to win.
 
LowDown said:
When was it that we started realizing that the truth doesn't matter? I mean that people just turned a blind eye when the President lied or did something wrong? It became clear that it was whatever the President could get away with, not what was true.

I think it was with Bill Clinton. He would come out with one lie after another and it just didn't matter to his supporters or the media (but I repeat myself).

Then Obama came along and it was the same thing. Or if he did get held accountable it was too late, the lie had done it's job. Then Hillary and it was the same thing. The media cheered this on and enabled it because they wanted them to win.

It's what you can get away with. The truth doesn't matter. What matters is winning. What matters is having the power.

Trump learned it from them, or he might as well have. Trump belts out one lie, distortion, or exaggeration after another and his supporters don't care. More than that, they encourage it because they want to win, they want Trump to win, and they saw how for the last 2 decades that's the way to win.
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So trump has a 70% lie rate because...Clinton and Obama held a gun to his head and forced him to lie?

I find Conservatives' beliefs on "personal responsibility" confusing.
 
LowDown said:
When was it that we started realizing that the truth doesn't matter? I mean that people just turned a blind eye when the President lied or did something wrong? It became clear that it was whatever the President could get away with, not what was true.

I think it was with Bill Clinton. He would come out with one lie after another and it just didn't matter to his supporters or the media (but I repeat myself).

Then Obama came along and it was the same thing. Or if he did get held accountable it was too late, the lie had done it's job. Then Hillary and it was the same thing. The media cheered this on and enabled it because they wanted them to win.

It's what you can get away with. The truth doesn't matter. What matters is winning. What matters is having the power.

Trump learned it from them, or he might as well have. Trump belts out one lie, distortion, or exaggeration after another and his supporters don't care. More than that, they encourage it because they want to win, they want Trump to win, and they saw how for the last 2 decades that's the way to win.
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Man, how did I know it would be all liberals fault Trump lies?
 
Thanks Obama.
 
LowDown said:
When was it that we started realizing that the truth doesn't matter? I mean that people just turned a blind eye when the President lied or did something wrong? It became clear that it was whatever the President could get away with, not what was true.

I think it was with Bill Clinton. He would come out with one lie after another and it just didn't matter to his supporters or the media (but I repeat myself).

Then Obama came along and it was the same thing. Or if he did get held accountable it was too late, the lie had done it's job. Then Hillary and it was the same thing. The media cheered this on and enabled it because they wanted them to win.

It's what you can get away with. The truth doesn't matter. What matters is winning. What matters is having the power.

Trump learned it from them, or he might as well have. Trump belts out one lie, distortion, or exaggeration after another and his supporters don't care. More than that, they encourage it because they want to win, they want Trump to win, and they saw how for the last 2 decades that's the way to win.
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Trump didn't learn it from politicians. He learned it in business! He learned it in reality TV! Trump always thought winning is what matters the most ever since the 1980s long before Bill Clinton got elected as President.
 
Cardinal said:
So trump has a 70% lie rate because...Clinton and Obama held a gun to his head and forced him to lie?

I find Conservatives' beliefs on "personal responsibility" confusing.
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I think it goes something like, "the person responsible is always someone other than me, my actions, my beliefs, or my team." :lol:

Especially confusing considering that he lies twice as much as Obama did, statistically. But I suppose LowDown will explain to us how that is somehow still Obama's fault.
 
LowDown said:
When was it that we started realizing that the truth doesn't matter? I mean that people just turned a blind eye when the President lied or did something wrong? It became clear that it was whatever the President could get away with, not what was true.

I think it was with Bill Clinton. He would come out with one lie after another and it just didn't matter to his supporters or the media (but I repeat myself).

Then Obama came along and it was the same thing. Or if he did get held accountable it was too late, the lie had done it's job. Then Hillary and it was the same thing. The media cheered this on and enabled it because they wanted them to win.

It's what you can get away with. The truth doesn't matter. What matters is winning. What matters is having the power.

Trump learned it from them, or he might as well have. Trump belts out one lie, distortion, or exaggeration after another and his supporters don't care. More than that, they encourage it because they want to win, they want Trump to win, and they saw how for the last 2 decades that's the way to win.
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It started at the country's founding. Prior to that, it was the dawn of man.
 
devildavid said:
It started at the country's founding. Prior to that, it was the dawn of man.
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That is absolutely wrong. Liberal democrats invented lying. You don't think Washington ever told a lie do you? Good republicans like him never did until democrats made them do it.
 
LowDown said:
When was it that we started realizing that the truth doesn't matter? I mean that people just turned a blind eye when the President lied or did something wrong? It became clear that it was whatever the President could get away with, not what was true.

I think it was with Bill Clinton. He would come out with one lie after another and it just didn't matter to his supporters or the media (but I repeat myself).

Then Obama came along and it was the same thing. Or if he did get held accountable it was too late, the lie had done it's job. Then Hillary and it was the same thing. The media cheered this on and enabled it because they wanted them to win.

It's what you can get away with. The truth doesn't matter. What matters is winning. What matters is having the power.

Trump learned it from them, or he might as well have. Trump belts out one lie, distortion, or exaggeration after another and his supporters don't care. More than that, they encourage it because they want to win, they want Trump to win, and they saw how for the last 2 decades that's the way to win.
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It dawned on me, when I read through the facts of Teddy's
Chappaquiddick incident and considered his later career.
 
LowDown said:
When was it that we started realizing that the truth doesn't matter? I mean that people just turned a blind eye when the President lied or did something wrong? It became clear that it was whatever the President could get away with, not what was true.

I think it was with Bill Clinton. He would come out with one lie after another and it just didn't matter to his supporters or the media (but I repeat myself).

Then Obama came along and it was the same thing. Or if he did get held accountable it was too late, the lie had done it's job. Then Hillary and it was the same thing. The media cheered this on and enabled it because they wanted them to win.

It's what you can get away with. The truth doesn't matter. What matters is winning. What matters is having the power.

Trump learned it from them, or he might as well have. Trump belts out one lie, distortion, or exaggeration after another and his supporters don't care. More than that, they encourage it because they want to win, they want Trump to win, and they saw how for the last 2 decades that's the way to win.
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During my lifetime I would say that Nixon led the pack but I'm sure he was beat out a long time before that.
 
Past Presidents knew they were lying when they uttered falsehoods. Which is why they used spin or told lies that would only be revealed at later dates. That is how liars who are grounded in reality act.

Trump seems to be disconnected from reality. I think there is a chance he actually believes the lies he tells, which is why they are so freaking blatant. How can you point to a square and call it a circle with a straight face unless you actually believe it is a circle?

If what I just described is accurate, however, then Trump wouldn't actually be a liar. As the great George Costanza once said, "It isn't a lie if you believe it." Instead, it would make him delusional.
 
Driving Trump doubling down on deceit is Steve Bannon. He weaves the wicker basket of lies for Trump to carry to the public. Bannon is the Jafar to Trump's sultan. And the guy knows how to do propaganda. He headed a major right wing propaganda haven. Breitbart had a page devoted to immigrant crime. Even though whites commit crimes at higher rates than immigrants.

Immigrants are criminals is one of the grand sweeping incorrect generalizations that the Sultan of the alt right bellows and then gets crucified for. It's just demonstrably, verifiably, incorrect. But, they're doubling down on deceit.

Trump is also desperate to be right. He doesn't really give a crap about terrorism. If he did, where's the series of tweets condemning the Christian terrorism in Quebec, where's the response we got from the Muslim knife attack in Europe? The Quebec killer wrought more carnage than the Muslim stabber? The Quebec killer doesn't fit trumps narrative that Muslims are terrorists.. So, he has to get coaxed into a response. Despicable.


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LowDown blames liberals for everything.

World is stunned into silence.
 
Cardinal said:
So trump has a 70% lie rate because...Clinton and Obama held a gun to his head and forced him to lie?

I find Conservatives' beliefs on "personal responsibility" confusing.
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So you're going to deny that Clinton, Obama, and Hillary lied on many occasions and the Democrats and the News Media just turned a blind eye? That the lies had no consequence for their support? After that Democrats and the Opposition Media have no right to complain about Trump.
 
Moderate Right said:
During my lifetime I would say that Nixon led the pack but I'm sure he was beat out a long time before that.
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The difference is that once it was proven that Nixon lied his support with Republicans collapsed and he had to resign. The Democrats and the News Media simply did not hold Clinton, Obama, and Hillary accountable for their lies, not when it counted they didn't, anyway.
 
Redress said:
Being conservative means never being responsible for your actions....
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Now that's some powerful projection right there. When did you regressives ever hold Obama or Clinton accountable for their lies? You remember how for 6 of Obama's 8 years it was all Bush's fault, right?
 
LowDown said:
Now that's some powerful projection right there. When did you regressives ever hold Obama or Clinton accountable for their lies? You remember how for 6 of Obama's 8 years it was all Bush's fault, right?
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When did liberals blame conservatives for Clinton/Obama lies?
 
Moderate Right said:
During my lifetime I would say that Nixon led the pack but I'm sure he was beat out a long time before that.
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No, republican presidents aren't in this scenerio. Notice how Bush was skipped right over - after Clinton - then Obama came along. :lamo

Apparently Trump only learned to lie from the Democratic Presidents and Hillary. HAHA
 
Of all the blame-liberals-for-everything hatchet jobs that Lowdown has posted here, this one is by far the most laughably stupid.
 
The truth stopped mattering when the country elected an empty suit and a speech. Identity politics came to the forefront and facts stopped mattering. Victimization, outrage and virtue signaling all became more important than truth.
 
TobyOne said:
The truth stopped mattering when the country elected an empty suit and a speech. Identity politics came to the forefront and facts stopped mattering. Victimization, outrage and virtue signaling all became more important than truth.
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Man, you really don't like Trump...
 
Redress said:
When did liberals blame conservatives for Clinton/Obama lies?
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Is that what you thought I did? I suppose that's understandable. We all conflate the mainstream media and the Democratic Party. They really are one and the same. But no, the point was that when Democrats and the Mainstream media refused to hold Bill, Obama, and Hillary accountable for their lies and acted as if the lies didn't matter then people got the idea that the truth didn't matter. If the Democrats won't hold their leaders accountable for lies and misdeeds then increasingly Republicans, especially Trump supporters, have decided that they won't hold their leaders accountable for lies and misdeeds, either. Because Republicans always lose when they stick to those principles because the Democrats take advantage of that. But no more. Trump and his supporters are using the Democrat's tactics against them, hence the hysteria we hear now from the Democrat/Media party.
 
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