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President Trump Seems Determined To Continue The Permanent Campaign

TurtleDude said:
Hillary lied in Office. constantly. we will see what Trump does after he's been in public office for several years.
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Relating to the previous post... we can often tell right now whether he's lying or not. The 'several years' thing applies to the lasting effects of policies and actions, not lies or truthful statements.
 
TurtleDude said:
except I am not a "true Trump supporter" anyone paying attention on this board knows that. I voted for Trump because I stated before Trump even was the candidate that I would vote for road kill over the second installment of the Clinton Crime family. I supported Kasich in the primary and contributed to Kasich. He lost and I thus voted for Trump. Hillary not only is the worst POS as a human to run for president since I have been alive, she also had the worst policies imaginable and the people she wanted for judges were as bad or worse than those Obama and Clinton I appointed
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It is correct that you are not a "true Trump supporter", a sycophant, and I will back you on that. You did indeed support Kasich in the primaries. But, you're defense of Trump now is illogical and approaches what some of his worst Suckers do.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Jesus!!!

When are you folks that got beaten by Trump going to start dealing with the reality?
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When are you folks going to drop the "he won" crap? Yes, he won. It's fact. So is his egomania ad his ha-handed handling of affairs. When are you folks going to start dealing with that reality?

Or, are you dealing with by pretending it doesn't exist and deflecting with the "he won" crap instead?
 
Chomsky said:
I think your hitting on "inclusion" is pretty accurate.

Older, Caucasian, unskilled or poorly skilled, moderately educated, living in economically depressed areas of flyover country, nobody's been listening to these guys. Their demographics and the America they once knew are slipping away from them, and what they used to do isn't working anymore.

They're not included in the financial success coming out of the economic crisis. They can't relate to much of the news and entertainment beamed in from the coasts. And they can't relate either to the growing urban environment and centers. The GOP & Dems ignored them. They watch their small towns and rural areas lose their young people and children to the cities they can't relate to.

Trump is going to put an end to the foreigners that take the new jobs, and he's also going to bring back their old jobs. He'll give them a voice in Washington again, and remake the old America for them.

Yeah, they'll belong again.

And, I can see the draw. Even if they don't really believe it will happen, they'll probably be happy enough someone is claiming to try to help them. Nobody else has, for a very long time.
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This is probably the best rundown of the election that I have seen anywhere. I want to dislike it just so I can like it again. lol

The only thing I might add: The GOP has historically ignored these people, agreed. Taking them for granted much in the same way the Dems take blacks for granted. This is one area where Trump played his cards well, he brought these people in and made them feel welcome... and wanted.

But, in this election cycle specifically, Hillary and the Dems were outright insulting and dismissive to these people. Hillary and the Dems were exclusive, and openly ridiculed them often. I believe they seriously underestimated that these people are still a significant voting block... and they voted.
 
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Mason66 said:
It is so funny to see threads like this after Obama campaigned for 8 straight years and nobody ever posted a thread about it.

We are one month into this administration.

Come back after the 8 years and see who campaigned more during the administration.
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:lol: No, what's funny is watching all the sycophants pretending they weren't doing the same things they now criticize for the past 8 years.

Now, to be fair, it's also funny to watch the Dems and liberals strategize about an obstructionist policy after 8 years of saying how wrong that is.

Truth be told, nothing has really changed at all, except the teams switched goals.
 
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Moderate Right said:
In case you didn't realize, Trump beat 16 other candidates for the Republican nomination by running an unconventional campaign where he was outspent by mega percentages. Trump beat Hillary in the general by running an unconventional campaign where he was outspent by mega percentages. And now you are questioning him continuing to run an unconventional campaign? Got it.
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The fatal flaw in your post is ignoring *why* he needs to continue to campaign. You conveniently left that part out. He's got the job. Barring an egregious illegal move on his part, he's going to have it for at least the full 4 years. *Why* does he need to continue to campaign? Can you answer that?

And don't bring up Obama's continuous campaigning. One has nothing to do with the other. They each stand alone on this one. Unless you're point will be that Trump needs to cover for failures like Obama did. Success doesn't need artificial reinforcement.
 
ludin said:
I guess obama's ego needed soothing as well because he frequently went out and did the same thing trump is doing.
I didn't see your ranting then.
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So, you agree Trump is doing it to soothe his ego.

You're starting to come around. Very nice. :)
 
radcen said:
I'm not so sure he even really wanted the job. He wanted the adulation of the campaign. Losing, especially after sewing the seeds of a "rigged system", would have allowed him to play martyr for years, which would have given him great attention without actually having to do the work.
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BINGO! BINGO! BINGO! We have a winner.

I have said that from the very beginning of his candidacy. He wants to be a Leader in a movement and promote his image and wealth. The constant "scrutiny" and "checks and balances" are already cramping his dictatorial style.

As you noted, he laid the seeds for martyrdom early on by touting about a "rigged system". Sadly, he got his movement and will likely do harmful damage to the country in the process..
 
radcen said:
The fatal flaw in your post is ignoring *why* he needs to continue to campaign. You conveniently left that part out. He's got the job. Barring an egregious illegal move on his part, he's going to have it for at least the full 4 years. *Why* does he need to continue to campaign? Can you answer that?

And don't bring up Obama's continuous campaigning. One has nothing to do with the other. They each stand alone on this one. Unless you're point will be that Trump needs to cover for failures like Obama did. Success doesn't need artificial reinforcement.
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He doesn't have the job in 2020. That's what we're talking about. Trump won two times because of unconventional campaigning and now you are criticizing him for the way he runs his unconventional 2020 campaign. My guess actually is though that he is manipulating the media. They are trying their best to show him in a negative light due to their dishonesty and bias so he is running these campaign style stops, forcing the media to portray him in a positive light. He wouldn't have to do this if the media were just fair in the first place. They have an obligation to report both the good and the bad but they only report the bad because they lean to the left. Hence, Trump has to put them in a position where they have to report some good.
 
radcen said:
The fatal flaw in your post is ignoring *why* he needs to continue to campaign. You conveniently left that part out. He's got the job. Barring an egregious illegal move on his part, he's going to have it for at least the full 4 years. *Why* does he need to continue to campaign? Can you answer that?

And don't bring up Obama's continuous campaigning. One has nothing to do with the other. They each stand alone on this one. Unless you're point will be that Trump needs to cover for failures like Obama did. Success doesn't need artificial reinforcement.
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I wonder how many times during Obamas post-election stops (Which Trump "railed" about as wasteful use of taxpayers dollars) he demeaned his election opponents and touted his margin of victory? My guess is that it wasn't many.
 
Moderate Right said:
They have an obligation to report both the good and the bad but they only report the bad because they lean to the left. Hence, Trump has to put them in a position where they have to report some good.
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What a crock of garbage. Every major cable news outlet covers Trump EVERY time he conducts a business meeting in the Roosevelt Room and EVERY time he speaks. Trumps LOVES the media and then feeds you folks cannon -fodder about how he hates the media.....lol. .

It isn't the coverage that ticks you off, its because they report about him lying. That erodes your belief that he is "Heavenly" and you cannot accept it. To satisfy you, the media would have to start each broadcast with a pic of POTUS and "How Great Thou Art" playing in the background. Geez, get a grip......:(
 
Moderate Right said:
He doesn't have the job in 2020. That's what we're talking about. Trump won two times because of unconventional campaigning and now you are criticizing him for the way he runs his unconventional 2020 campaign. My guess actually is though that he is manipulating the media. They are trying their best to show him in a negative light due to their dishonesty and bias so he is running these campaign style stops, forcing the media to portray him in a positive light. He wouldn't have to do this if the media were just fair in the first place. They have an obligation to report both the good and the bad but they only report the bad because they lean to the left. Hence, Trump has to put them in a position where they have to report some good.
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In the sense that they're showing him as he really is, then yes, they are showing him in a negative light.

I have noticed that they are not editing him. They are showing all his absurd grammatical incorrectness and run-on self-serving quotes and his 7th grade redundancies in their full glory.

They are not protecting him at all (in fact I believe they are purposely doing this), like they might with others, I'll agree with that. But what should he expect when he purposely burns bridges? Sorry, his image is his own doing.
 
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radcen said:
In the sense that they're showing him as he really is, then yes, they are showing him in a negative light.

I have noticed that they are not editing him. They are showing all his absurd grammatically incorrectness and run-on self-serving quotes and his 7th grade redundancies in their full glory.

They are not protecting him at all, in fact I believe they are purposely doing this, like they might with others, I'll agree with that. But what should he expect when he purposely burns bridges? Sorry, his image is his own doing.
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They show him uncut and unedited. Its a wonder he can keep his toes dry and much as he sticks his foot in his mouth.
 
Vetplus40 said:
BINGO! BINGO! BINGO! We have a winner.

I have said that from the very beginning of his candidacy. He wants to be a Leader in a movement and promote his image and wealth. The constant "scrutiny" and "checks and balances" are already cramping his dictatorial style.

As you noted, he laid the seeds for martyrdom early on by touting about a "rigged system". Sadly, he got his movement and will likely do harmful damage to the country in the process..
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Any martyrdom would have greatly enhanced his "brand", and I think it's entirely possible that that was actually his original goal.

Now, he's backed into a corner and his Presidency has the potential to completely destroy his brand. He would never honestly discuss this openly, but I sometimes wonder if, deep down, he now regrets ever running in the first place.
 
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Vetplus40 said:
I wonder how many times during Obamas post-election stops (Which Trump "railed" about as wasteful use of taxpayers dollars) he demeaned his election opponents and touted his margin of victory? My guess is that it wasn't many.
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Obama did continually campaign, that is true, but the styles were markedly different. Obama was much more subtle. Trump is more "in your face worship me".
 
Vetplus40 said:
What a crock of garbage. Every major cable news outlet covers Trump EVERY time he conducts a business meeting in the Roosevelt Room and EVERY time he speaks. Trumps LOVES the media and then feeds you folks cannon -fodder about how he hates the media.....lol. .

It isn't the coverage that ticks you off, its because they report about him lying. That erodes your belief that he is "Heavenly" and you cannot accept it. To satisfy you, the media would have to start each broadcast with a pic of POTUS and "How Great Thou Art" playing in the background. Geez, get a grip......:(
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Please show positive media coverage of Trump. There isn't much. They are very dishonest. It showed with the EO order regarding the "Muslim Ban". The media repeatedly reported that Trump's EO was aimed at 7 predominantly Muslim countries instead of reporting the EO was aimed at 7 predominantly terrorist countries, countries actually singled out by Obama.
 
Moderate Right said:
Please show positive media coverage of Trump. There isn't much. They are very dishonest. It showed with the EO order regarding the "Muslim Ban". The media repeatedly reported that Trump's EO was aimed at 7 predominantly Muslim countries instead of reporting the EO was aimed at 7 predominantly terrorist countries, countries actually singled out by Obama.
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Dishonest, or painfully honest?

I know which one you'll pick. He doesn't like that they're showing his warts, too.
 
radcen said:
Any martyrdom would have greatly enhanced his "brand", and I think it's entirely possible that that was actually his original goal.

Now, he's backed into a corner and his Presidency has the potential to completely destroy his brand. He would never honestly discuss this openly, but I sometimes wonder if, deep down, he now regrets ever running in the first place.
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Listen to what he says. He redefines what a "sore-winner" is. He is still playing the "poor pitiful me" martyr card. He is in way over his head and he knows it. He isn't stupid. He is just arrogant and would never admit it. Humility isn't in Trumps vocabulary.
 
Vetplus40 said:
Listen to what he says. He redefines what a "sore-winner" is. He is still playing the "poor pitiful me" martyr card. He is in way over his head and he knows it. He isn't stupid. He is just arrogant and would never admit it. Humility isn't in Trumps vocabulary.
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Especially with the popular vote.

Dude, you won. You got what you said you wanted. Move on and now prove it was the correct choice.
 
Moderate Right said:
Please show positive media coverage of Trump. There isn't much. They are very dishonest. It showed with the EO order regarding the "Muslim Ban". The media repeatedly reported that Trump's EO was aimed at 7 predominantly Muslim countries instead of reporting the EO was aimed at 7 predominantly terrorist countries, countries actually singled out by Obama.
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I keep TV's on all day long in my office. They report what he says and does. I watch discussion panels with an EVEN number of supporters and opponents. It isn't their fault if he says something stupid, or lies and gets caught, that is on him.

Now, I watched Trump call it a "Muslim Ban" himself. The words came out of HIS mouth. Not the "dishonest media". So please, quit peeing down my leg and tell me its raining. I get enough of that from The White House.
 
radcen said:
Dishonest, or painfully honest?

I know which one you'll pick. He doesn't like that they're showing his warts, too.
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In all cases there can be positive coverage and negative coverage. When the media only reports the negative coverage and none of the positive then it is being dishonest and biased. Trump won the election because the media reported only negative coverage of Trump during the campaign and voters realized that the media was being dishonest. Voters are no longer the naive suckers they used to be. But, the media helps out by making it so obvious. They're not even subtle about it anymore.
 
radcen said:
In the sense that they're showing him as he really is, then yes, they are showing him in a negative light.

I have noticed that they are not editing him. They are showing all his absurd grammatical incorrectness and run-on self-serving quotes and his 7th grade redundancies in their full glory.

They are not protecting him at all (in fact I believe they are purposely doing this), like they might with others, I'll agree with that. But what should he expect when he purposely burns bridges? Sorry, his image is his own doing.
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I think what people are failing to appreciate is how refreshing it is to see someone who doesn't toe the political line.

People should remember that on the whole, the people of this Nation are disgusted with DC politics and the people who make themselves wealthy through a career in it.

We just finished 8 years of carefully crafted, or carefully avoided, narratives from EX President Obama. When he did actually hold a press conference, the "journalists" who got to ask questions were already selected.

Now we have a press conference where the President is running an unscripted open discussion, and calling things as he see them.

Don't dismiss how positive this is to the general public.

The MSM and their partners can juice all the polls they want trying to manipulate the public. All they are doing is handing treats to the same people over and over.

That builds nothing for the future of the Democratic Party.
 
radcen said:
Especially with the popular vote.

Dude, you won. You got what you said you wanted. Move on and now prove it was the correct choice.
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That is the problem. He has no clue how to govern. He is used to beating up weaker competition in the world of real estate and development. He isn't a "uniter". He is a "divide and conquer" type. A mentality better suited for dictator.
 
ocean515 said:
I think what people are failing to appreciate is how refreshing it is to see someone who doesn't toe the political line.

People should remember that on the whole, the people of this Nation are disgusted with DC politics and the people who make themselves wealthy through a career in it.

We just finished 8 years of carefully crafted, or carefully avoided, narratives from EX President Obama. When he did actually hold a press conference, the "journalists" who got to ask questions were already selected.

Now we have a press conference where the President is running an unscripted open discussion, and calling things as he see them.

Don't dismiss how positive this is to the general public.

The MSM and their partners can juice all the polls they want trying to manipulate the public. All they are doing is handing treats to the same people over and over.

That builds nothing for the future of the Democratic Party.
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Sure, and there is some of that, absolutely. I have long said that both Trump's popularity and Sanders' popularity were in part fueled by a growing disgust and rejection of the status quo. We have no disagreement there.

Problem is, Trump's "as he sees it" viewpoint is a bizarre viewpoint not necessarily grounded in reality. The whole popular vote thing that he will not get over being a perfect example. He's the one that keeps bringing this up, not them. His supporters like to say, "He won. Get over it." Well, Mr Trump... you won, get over it.
 
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