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Steve Bannon and the "fourth turning"


This era of change is known as the Fourth Turning, and Bannon, like Strauss and Howe, believes we are in the midst of one right now.
According to the book, the last two Fourth Turnings that America experienced were the Civil War and the Reconstruction, and then the Great Depression and World War II. Before that, it was the Revolutionary War.
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This is where Bannon's obsession with this book should cause concern. He believes that, for the new world order to rise, there must be a massive reckoning. That we will soon reach our climax conflict. In the White House, he has shown that he is willing to advise Trump to enact policies that will disrupt our current order to bring about what he perceives as a necessary new one. He encourages breaking down political and economic alliances and turning away from traditional American principles to cause chaos.
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Of course it's important not to lose sight of the end here. Bannon believes in authoritarian politics as preparation for a massive conflict between East and West, whether East means the Middle East or China.
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This is the man who is a close advisor of the new president.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Steve Bannon and the "fourth turning"









This is the man who is a close advisor of the new president.
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Lol ! Yup, nothing authortarian about what the " resistance " is doing right now. Violence, property damage, intimidation and celebrating judicial activism.

Also demanding the implementation of a rejected agenda, screw the people who voted to get rid of it, their votes can be tossed aside

Nothing authortarian about Bernie Sanders plans for unprecedented State intervention into the lives of American citizens either.

Leaks at the top levels of Govt to undermine the POTUS and his agenda, nope thats how Democracies function....Lol
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Steve Bannon and the "fourth turning"









This is the man who is a close advisor of the new president.
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The problem is NOT Strauss & Howes theory of generations. I have been a huge fan of the theory since they first published their first book GENERATIONS 25 years ago. The problem is radical right winger Bannon doing his bad Rasputin imitation and twisting it to his own machivallian purposes.
 
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The article makes a very interesting point when it mentions that these "turns" generally have massive amounts of consensus among the people involved. It is important to understand that the people who support Trump are in the minority in America. I think Bannon may be suffering from years of living in the Breitbart bubble. He doesn't seem to understand that most people do not see this country as some sort of dystopian society that they must rally against. You'd think that seeing the amount of resistance against Trump since his inauguration would make him realize it isn't happening.
 
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MrPeanut said:
The article makes a very interesting point when it mentions that these "turns" generally have massive amounts of consensus among the people involved. It is important to understand that the people who support Trump are in the minority in America. I think Bannon may be suffering from years of living in the Breitbart bubble. He doesn't seem to understand that most people do not see this country as some sort of dystopian society that they must rally against. You'd think that seeing the amount of resistance against Trump since his inauguration would make him realize it isn't happening.
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Trump supporters in the minority ? Maybe. People who rejected Obama's agenda and policies ? Definately not.

The Democrats have been getting their asses handed to them over the last 3 election cycles by the silent majority, losing 14 States, the House and the Senate and hundreds of State legislator seats

Obama and his policies thoroughly tarnished their brand and no one on the Left wants to admit it, but its true. Their agenda when implemented doesnt actually do what they claim, it doesnt help or grow the Middle class, it doesnt fix disparity, grow the economy, provide for " affordable healtcare ", etc

This " resistance " movement thinks theyre making progress, theyre not. Theyre pissing 10's of millions of voters off by trying to undermine their vote and their voice.
 
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Fenton said:
Trump supporters in the minority ? Maybe. People who rejected Obama's agenda and policies ? Definately not.

The Democrats have been getting their asses handed to them over the last 3 election cycles by the silent majority, losing 14 States, the House and the Senate and hundreds of State legislator seats

Obama and his policies thoroughly tarnished their brand and no one on the Left wants to admit it, but its true. Their agenda when implemented doesnt actually do what they claim, it doesnt help or grow the Middle class, it doesnt fix disparity, grow the economy, provide for " affordable healtcare ", etc

This " resistance " movement thinks theyre making progress, theyre not. Theyre pissing 10's of millions of voters off by trying to undermine their vote and their voice.
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I don't think the "silent majority" is the major thing turning seats red across the country. The best argument would be with Trump's turnout specifically, but even then we saw plenty of voters that voted for Obama switch to Trump which means they weren't exactly silent. Republicans turn out to vote much more reliably than Democrats. When it only takes hundreds of votes to flip a seat the side with the reliable voters will tend to win out.

I agree with you that Obama failed to really grow the middle class, and that in turn helped to disparage the Democratic turnout throughout the country, but we both know that negligence of the middle class is hardly just a Democratic problem. It has been going on for decades no matter what letter someone has next to their name. I'm waiting to see what comes of the "resistance" thing. I'm not convinced it is as useful as actually developing a plan, but I don't think it is worthless or directly detrimental to future voter turnout.
 
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Fenton said:
Trump supporters in the minority ? Maybe. .
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Less than half the popular vote and 3 million less than the opponent = minority. There's no "maybe" about it; this is just how numbers and English work.






(Don't bother responding with any silly voter fraud lies.)
 
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Mr Person said:
Less than half the popular vote and 3 million less than the opponent = minority. There's no "maybe" about it; this is just how numbers and English work.






(Don't bother responding with any silly voter fraud lies.)
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3 million Californians and New yorkers didnt do much for the Democrats over the last 6 years.
Dems lost 14 Governors, over 900 State Legislator seats, the House majority and the Senate majority.
But, the Democrats cannot get out of the way of their own stupid sometimes.
All those voters who rejected the Obama agenda over the last 6 years are watching this collective meltdown, and the thuggery coming from the " resistance "
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Steve Bannon and the "fourth turning"

This is the man who is a close advisor of the new president.
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The more establishment types panic themselves by stewing in this nonsense about Bannon et al. the stronger Trump gets.

You guys ought to read up on Woodrow Wilson. He makes Bannon look like Calvin Coolidge.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Steve Bannon and the "fourth turning"
This is the man who is a close advisor of the new president.
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Bannon is a Leninist who wishes to destroy the US govt.
According to Bannon anyway.

Bannon may not be the most reliable source for info about Bannon.

:shrug:
 
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I have read some of Bannon's own words

IMO Bannon has no problem seeing the evils of the equivalent of The American Civil War, WWI, and WWII unleashed simultaneously in our time

Bannon is a sick, demented, dark, and satanic soul .......
 
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cuban smokes said:
yup, I'm sure his three former wives are laughing too .......
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Laughing at your over-the-top characterization, I'm sure. One of the problems with politics today is turning political opponents into demons. That explains why the left is so full of hate, however.
 
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cuban smokes said:
I have read some of Bannon's own words

IMO Bannon has no problem seeing the evils of the equivalent of The American Civil War, WWI, and WWII unleashed simultaneously in our time

Bannon is a sick, demented, dark, and satanic soul .......
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You are right about that:

Steve Bannon has no regrets.

The ex-Breitbart executive, who serves as Trump's chief strategist for the new administration, told The Hollywood Reporter that "darkness is good."
"Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That's power.

Steve Bannon: 'Darkness is good' - CNNPolitics.com
 
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The Trump Ship continues to take on water. Many Trump Supporters, delirious over Team Trump's success at winning the WH, continue to delude themselves he has a mandate. No, Team Trump does not have a mandate. The Republican Leadership w/o Trump has a mandate.... AND that mandate does not include taking their cues from Bannon.

I have already begun rehearsing "Congratulations President Pence!"

I strongly disagree with many of the strongly conservative views supported by Mike Pence. In spite of this, I trust Mike Pence to govern with far more competence than Donald Trump. Mike Pence would not keep Bannon in the White House.
 
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cuban smokes said:
I have read some of Bannon's own words

IMO Bannon has no problem seeing the evils of the equivalent of The American Civil War, WWI, and WWII unleashed simultaneously in our time

Bannon is a sick, demented, dark, and satanic soul .......
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I have a problem with hyperbole. Exactly what makes him sick, demented, dark and satanic. Try to be specific. Let's just start with sick. Why?
 
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cuban smokes said:
I have read some of Bannon's own words

IMO Bannon has no problem seeing the evils of the equivalent of The American Civil War, WWI, and WWII unleashed simultaneously in our time

Bannon is a sick, demented, dark, and satanic soul .......
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Lol !!
 
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Cvir said:
I have a problem with hyperbole. Exactly what makes him sick, demented, dark and satanic. Try to be specific. Let's just start with sick. Why?
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The ex-Breitbart executive, who serves as Trump's chief strategist for the new administration, told The Hollywood Reporter that "darkness is good."
"Dick Cheney. Darth Vader. Satan. That's power.

Steve Bannon: 'Darkness is good' - CNNPolitics.com
 
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Wow, you people need to catch your breath. The following quote from the Business Insider: “In the White House, he has shown that he is willing to advise Trump to enact policies that will disrupt our current order to bring about what he perceives as a necessary new one. He encourages breaking down political and economic alliances and turning away from traditional American principles to cause chaos.” …” In that way, Bannon seems to be trying to bring about the Fourth Turning.” There is no evidence for this claim by the writer, who obviously is not a fan of Bannon or Trump. Further, there is this at the bottom of the article: “This is an opinion column. The thoughts expressed are those of the author.” Bannon may believe in the theory put forth by the authors of “The Fourth Turning”. However, everything I read gives no hint that he is pushing for anything. He is merely pointing to current events that he believes may support the author’s theory. We know some of you hate Trump, but try to keep with facts and not what other hater are saying. I know it’s hard, because it fits what you want to believe. I didn’t like Obama, but any criticisms or opinions I had were based on facts, not someone else’s opinion.
 
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Fenton said:
Trump supporters in the minority ? Maybe. People who rejected Obama's agenda and policies ? Definately not.

The Democrats have been getting their asses handed to them over the last 3 election cycles by the silent majority, losing 14 States, the House and the Senate and hundreds of State legislator seats

Obama and his policies thoroughly tarnished their brand and no one on the Left wants to admit it, but its true. Their agenda when implemented doesnt actually do what they claim, it doesnt help or grow the Middle class, it doesnt fix disparity, grow the economy, provide for " affordable healtcare ", etc

This " resistance " movement thinks theyre making progress, theyre not. Theyre pissing 10's of millions of voters off by trying to undermine their vote and their voice.
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and yet Obama is one of the most popular presidents in recent history, but that's a digression. Back to Bannon and his ideas.
 
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Yet another article about Bannon and the Fourth Turning:

Bannon pressed Kaiser on one point during the interview. “He was talking about the wars of the Fourth Turnings,” Kaiser recalled. “You have the American Revolution, you have the Civil War, you have World War II; they’re getting bigger and bigger. Clearly, he was anticipating that in this Fourth Turning there would be one at least as big. And he really made an effort, I remember, to get me to say that on the air.”

Kaiser didn’t believe global war was preordained, so he demurred. The line of questioning didn’t make it into the documentary — a polemical piece, released in 2010, called “Generation Zero.”

Bannon, who’s now ensconced in the West Wing as President Donald Trump’s closest adviser, has been portrayed as Trump’s main ideas guy. But in interviews, speeches and writing — and especially in his embrace of Strauss and Howe — he has made clear that he is, first and foremost, an apocalypticist.

In Bannon’s view, we are in the midst of an existential war, and everything is a part of that conflict. Treaties must be torn up, enemies named, culture changed. Global conflagration, should it occur, would only prove the theory correct
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In hindsight, perhaps it wasn't such a good idea to put a bunch of White Nationalist bloggers in charge of the federal government.
 
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