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Abolish the Dept of Education?

MaggieD

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A Republican in the HR introduced a bill to abolish the DOE effective December 31st, 2018. That will free up $81 billion to pass on to the states to manage their OWN schools.


House Republican Introduces Bill To Abolish Dept. Of Education On Same Day DeVos Confirmed To Run It

And then!! The Democrats don't have to worry about Betsy Devos! She'll be out of a job! And education of our children will be back in the states where it belongs.

What do you think? And share your expertise with us please. What does the DOE do??
 
If all States are required by law to meet the same same educational standards in the same required subjects, I have no problem with it, otherwise no.
 
Excon said:
If all States are required by law to meet the same same educational standards in the same required subjects, I have no problem with it, otherwise no.
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Required by what authority?
 
In a nutshell, standardizing education and guaranteeing equal access by tying federal funding to rules and regulations enforced by a central body/agency is a good thing. It helps to make sure that, say, kids can and do attend school in the styx and aren't learning basket weaving when they should be learning algebra like their counterparts in the city.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Required by what authority?
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By the same assumed authority with which they established the Department in the first place, or by cooperation.
Either is fine with me as there needs to be a single standard across the board.
 
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Excon said:
If all States are required by law to meet the same same educational standards in the same required subjects, I have no problem with it, otherwise no.
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I don't think common core standards have anything to do with the Dept of Education.

In 2009, the NGA convened a group of people to work on developing the standards. This team included David Coleman, William McCallum of the University of Arizona, Phil Daro, and Student Achievement Partners founders Jason Zimba[6] and Susan Pimentel to write standards in the areas of English and language arts.[7] Announced on June 1, 2009,[8] the initiative's stated purpose is to "provide a consistent, clear understanding of what students are expected to lear, so teachers and parents know what they need to do to help them."[9] Additionally, "The standards are designed to be robust and relevant to the real world, reflecting the knowledge and skills that our young people need for success in college and careers," which should place American students in a position in which they can compete in a global economy.[9]

The standards are copyrighted by NGA Center for Best Practices (NGA Center) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO), which controls use of and licenses the standards.[10] The NGA Center and CCSSO do this by offering a public license which is used by State Departments of Education.[11] The license states that use of the standards must be "in support" of the Common Core State Standards Initiative. It also requires attribution and a copyright notice, except when a state or territory has adopted the standards "in whole".
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Btw, only 42 of 50 states have adopted the standards.
 
Napoleon said:
In a nutshell, standardizing education and guaranteeing equal access by tying federal funding to rules and regulations enforced by a central body/agency is a good thing. It helps to make sure that, say, kids can and do attend school in the styx and aren't learning basket weaving when they should be learning algebra like their counterparts in the city.
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What is the purpose of taking taxpayer funds only to give it back for control of schools? Have you spoken with any recent HS "grads" from the cities?
 
Excon said:
By the same assumed authority they established the Department in the first place, or by cooperation.
Either is fine with me as there needs to be a single standard across the board.
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The next level of education can set the standard just fine...
 
As "the entire bill consists of a single sentence:

"The Department of Education shall terminate on December 31, 2018.""​

I doubt it will pass.
 
MaggieD said:
I don't think common core standards have anything to do with the Dept of Education.



Btw, only 42 of 50 states have adopted the standards.
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Though the concept is great, I certainly didn't speak to the abomination known as "common core".

Only 42 of 50? iLOL





AlabamaPaul said:
The next level of education can set the standard just fine...
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No.
 
Im actually fine with doing away with dept of edu, and giving states complete autonomy on education. For me it's a "don't put your eggs all in one basket kind of thing."

If a state tries something totally different on their own and it works, the other states will likely adopt it. And we won't be beholden to politicians using our kids educations to drive their platforms.

Even if a few states fall behind, anyone can move to a better educated state if it's that important to them.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
What is the purpose of taking taxpayer funds only to give it back for control of schools? Have you spoken with any recent HS "grads" from the cities?
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A few reasons. Two that come to mind are establishing stability by creating a centralized authority and ensuring that poorer districts aren't left completely behind. It's certainly better than assuming that consistency in education across more than 14,000 school districts will happen by itself and hoping that they are independently financially sustainable.
 
Excon said:
Though the concept is great, I certainly didn't speak to the abomination known as "common core".

Only 42 of 50? iLOL



No.
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Common Core is what sets the minimum standards, isn't it? What's funny about 42 of 50?
 
Shut it down. Waste of money.
 
Napoleon said:
A few reasons. Two that come to mind are establishing stability by creating a centralized authority and ensuring that poorer districts aren't left completely behind. It's certainly better than assuming that consistency in education across more than 14,000 school districts will happen by itself and hoping that they are independently financially sustainable.
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Why do you think consistency is a good thing? Schools should be not be educating but sometimes "stepping out of the box". Standards hasn't helped educate the children i this country. It's been a cooperation of parent(s) and educators...
 
We need to be centralizing control of education, not spreading it out. With federal control you get effective programs like No Child left behind and Common Core, and leave it to the states and fundamentalists take over education in the more red states. No, thanks.

Democrats need to pull no punches to keep the DoE from being abolished.
 
MaggieD said:
Common Core is what sets the minimum standards, isn't it? What's funny about 42 of 50?
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You want to have a discussion as to what is wrong with common core?

As for what is funny about 42 of 50? Nothing.
What was funny was the use of "only". It came across like you were saying it was an insignificant number.
 
AtlantaAdonis said:
We need to be centralizing control of education, not spreading it out. With federal control you get effective programs like No Child left behind and Common Core, and leave it to the states and fundamentalists take over education in the more red states. No, thanks.

Democrats need to pull no punches to keep the DoE from being abolished.
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Go on the streets and talk to recent HS grads. You'd be surprised at their ignorance. Education in this country is failing those funding it. Parents cannot be excused either...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Go on the streets and talk to recent HS grads. You'd be surprised at their ignorance. Education in this country is failing those funding it. Parents cannot be excused either...
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Lets assume for a moment that your accusation is true. What does that have to do with the Department of Education vs. parents who should be holding their local school board accountable?
 
I would think that with today's technology and global living there is a strong need to have major changes in education. I would envision experts in all the areas making computer applications that can be distributed and students work on them on self paced programs. Add some expert and very good teachers/instructors who can travel from school to school with their high energy presentations. The local schools can have small group discussions with students that actually have an interest in some particular knowledge.
And a lot of these self paced computer aided stuff could be done more economically at a centralized place and passed on to the states.

I have no idea what the Feds are doing now and it seems like education has stagnated or decline (compared to the rest of the developed world) since 1979 when the Dept was created.
 
I would think that with today's technology and global living there is a strong need to have major changes in education. I would envision experts in all the areas making computer applications that can be distributed and students work on them on self paced programs. Add some expert and very good teachers/instructors who can travel from school to school with their high energy presentations. The local schools can have small group discussions with students that actually have an interest in some particular knowledge.
And a lot of these self paced computer aided stuff could be done more economically at a centralized place and passed on to the states.

I have no idea what the Feds are doing now and it seems like education has stagnated or decline (compared to the rest of the developed world) since 1979 when the Dept was created.
 
Abolishing he Dept. of Ed would be beneficial to our educational system. It would restore the ability of State and local school systems to control their own schools. The country had an excellent educational system prior to 1976 when the Dept of Ed was created and it has gone straight to **** ever since.
 
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