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Trump has declared war against men.

WCH said:
Well he was speaking with a Far leftist. :cool:

I have a feeling it was part of the bargaining session with Canada.
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His Comprehensive Child Care Program was devised during his campaign. What about that oppression of men?
 
ecofarm said:
His Comprehensive Child Care Program was devised during his campaign. What about that oppression of men?
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Why do you keep bringing up men? Peoples objections to forcing people to pay for someones child care has nothing to do with men.
 
ecofarm said:
President Trump, Ivanka and PM Trudeau Promote Women in Business - Yahoo Finance



https://uk.news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-tells-justin-trudeau-192802812.html


At the press conference today, Trump said he would be instituting a program to empower women entrepreneurs. This program will only be for women! What about equality? Why has Trump joined in the oppression of males with such an obviously biased program? Trumped has joined the feminists in their crusade to emasculate and marginalize men in our country.

Are we, as men, going to just sit back and take this? We must demand that Trump also create a program to empower male entrepreneurs!

What is causing Trump to attack men? Why does he think that men are not important? Why has Trump become an anti-male sexist? Is he a puppet of his evil man-hating daughter? Has Europe and Canada, as he mentions above, corrupted him?

This oppression cannot be allowed.
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Maybe he wants to grab penis too. Face it, Eco, the guy is just a total scumbag. He probably even puts toilet paper on the rolls so it hangs out the bottom instead of comes over the top.
 
Henrin said:
Why do you keep bringing up men? Peoples objections to forcing people to pay for someones child care has nothing to do with men.
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He's not starting a program for male entrepreneurs. What about equality?
 
ecofarm said:
He's not starting a program for male entrepreneurs. What about equality?
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That's called pandering and special treatment. Men don't need special treatment, but it would be nice if MGM on newborns was illegal. Oh, and if they could do something about prison violence, unequal prison sentencing, child support, fathers rights being violated by laws that allow the woman to give up the kid without the state saying anything to the man, and family court issues, that would be great. But you know, real human right violations like having a part of your body cut off is totally below not having other peoples pay for your child care. Oh and the state showing clear bias in court and in law towards women is totally below whatever issues arise from women having to pay for their own ****.

After all, people not agreeing to women's terms in employment contracts we all know is a serious human right violation. I mean, where do people get off thinking they have a right to decide what they find agreeable in a contract. Sexist bastards.
 
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Lutherf said:
He probably even puts toilet paper on the rolls so it hangs out the bottom instead of comes over the top.
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That's just a rumor. If confirmed, I think impeachment is on the table.
 
ecofarm said:
A woman's studies professor? I'm just an average Joe like you.
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Oh man... I was convinced... I hear they got a pretty good deal going, you can preach your nonsense for MONEY.... government money nontheless.
 
celticwar17 said:
Oh man... I was convinced... I hear they got a pretty good deal going, you can preach your nonsense for MONEY.... government money nontheless.
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Looks like I might be in line for a cabinet position, given today's revelations.
 
Trump:

How do I strengthen the economy?

Get businesses to provide more benefits that cost a **** ton of money?

Brilliant. It will lower employment and lower wages. That is exactly what I was hired to do.
 
Henrin said:
Honestly? Culture, ignorance, and human nature.
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So, if men are so dumb and easily manipulated by women, why can't women just get themselves elected?


Henrin said:
I honestly don't know. What would I even use as a basis to figure out the answer?
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Well what if we tried an experiment. I mean apparently a government brimming with men is screwing men in favor of women, so maybe we should just try switching things up and see what happens when we put a roughly equal number of women in power.

Maybe the reason why everyone assumes women are still getting screwed in our society is because 90% of all institutions of power are controlled by men. So if we gave women control of more of these institutions or at least split control approximately equally it would make it more difficult for feminists to argue they are the ones getting screwed?
 
MrWonka said:
So, if men are so dumb and easily manipulated by women, why can't women just get themselves elected?
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What do you mean by just get themselves elected?

Well what if we tried an experiment. I mean apparently a government brimming with men is screwing men in favor of women, so maybe we should just try switching things up and see what happens when we put a roughly equal number of women in power.
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I imagine what you will find is that women will give favors to themselves first and foremost. That's what appears to be what female elected officials do more times than not.

Maybe the reason why everyone assumes women are still getting screwed in our society is because 90% of all institutions of power are controlled by men. So if we gave women control of more of these institutions or at least split control approximately equally it would make it more difficult for feminists to argue they are the ones getting screwed?
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Something being mostly men doesn't mean women are the victims of anything. Splitting these organizations by force doesn't really make it so people aren't being screwed anyway, but just makes it where women are getting favors from the state and men are getting shafted.
 
Henrin said:
What do you mean by just get themselves elected?
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Well I mean why bother letting men win all these elections and then have to manipulate them into voting against their own best interests. If men are so easy to manipulate why don't more women just run for political office and manipulate male voters into voting for them. Would that be an easier strategy?

Henrin said:
I imagine what you will find is that women will give favors to themselves first and foremost. That's what appears to be what female elected officials do more times than not.
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Why don't men do that?

Henrin said:
Something being mostly men doesn't mean women are the victims of anything.
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In theory it's entirely possible that a government composed almost entirely of men could be fair to women, but does that seem likely? On the other hand shouldn't the fact that the government is composed almost entirely of men basically make it impossible for men to be the victims of it?

Henrin said:
Splitting these organizations by force doesn't really make it so people aren't being screwed anyway, but just makes it where women are getting favors from the state and men are getting shafted.
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Why would that happen?

I'm just want to make sure I have this straight....

So right now about 90% of society is controlled by men, and yet men are getting shafted while women get favors.

If control of society was closer to 50/50 do you think men would have it better or worse?

Do you think if men controlled the last 10% of society that they would then stop shafting themselves?

Is it possible that being a man yourself you tend to subjectively elevate problems that effect men like yourself above problems that effect women? Is it possible that not being a woman makes it harder for you to truly understand some of the problems deal with on a day to day basis?

Would you rather be a woman? I mean I'm not asking if you're trans or anything like that, but I'm wondering if you believe your life would be better if you were a woman? If you died and got re-incarnated would you hope that you were a woman in your next life?
 
MrWonka said:
Well I mean why bother letting men win all these elections and then have to manipulate them into voting against their own best interests. If men are so easy to manipulate why don't more women just run for political office and manipulate male voters into voting for them. Would that be an easier strategy?
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Who said women are manipulating men to do anything? It has nothing to do with some kind of manipulation by women, but a combination of human nature and culture telling men to treat women special and think nothing isn't peachy with men.

Why don't men do that?
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Because most of the time it doesn't cross their mind to do.

In theory it's entirely possible that a government composed almost entirely of men could be fair to women, but does that seem likely? On the other hand shouldn't the fact that the government is composed almost entirely of men basically make it impossible for men to be the victims of it?
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Nope. If your theory was correct then things like unequal sentencing, biased family courts, bogus laws on adoption that allow women to give away children without the mans consent, and child support laws wouldn't be a thing.

Why would that happen?


I'm just want to make sure I have this straight....

So right now about 90% of society is controlled by men, and yet men are getting shafted while women get favors.

If control of society was closer to 50/50 do you think men would have it better or worse?

Do you think if men controlled the last 10% of society that they would then stop shafting themselves?

Is it possible that being a man yourself you tend to subjectively elevate problems that effect men like yourself above problems that effect women? Is it possible that not being a woman makes it harder for you to truly understand some of the problems deal with on a day to day basis?

Would you rather be a woman? I mean I'm not asking if you're trans or anything like that, but I'm wondering if you believe your life would be better if you were a woman? If you died and got re-incarnated would you hope that you were a woman in your next life?
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I think it wouldn't change much of anything.

I don't believe my life would be better as a woman because frankly I think the entire situation of being a woman would suck on a biological perspective, but in terms of how society and government treats women I think things would be better, yes.
 
Henrin said:
Who said women are manipulating men to do anything? It has nothing to do with some kind of manipulation by women, but a combination of human nature and culture telling men to treat women special and think nothing isn't peachy with men.
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But who created this culture and why? Why would it be human nature to favor women and hurt men? Why would men who control society do this to themselves?

Henrin said:
Because most of the time it doesn't cross their mind to do.
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Why? Are men just superior people incapable of personal bias.

Henrin said:
Nope. If your theory was correct then things like unequal sentencing, biased family courts, bogus laws on adoption that allow women to give away children without the mans consent, and child support laws wouldn't be a thing.
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Are you sure? Do these laws actually victimize men or are their actually valid reasons to favor women that even most men understand? I mean aren't most judges in this country men? Why would they let stereotypes about men effect sentencing and child custody decisions? Is it possible that men simply are naturally more violent than women? Is it possible that women who carry a child for 9 months inside their body are naturally more predisposed to nurturing and taking care of that child?

Henrin said:
I think it wouldn't change much of anything.
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So are their any other groups of people that are naturally biased against themselves?

Henrin said:
I don't believe my life would be better as a woman because frankly I think the entire situation of being a woman would suck on a biological perspective, but in terms of how society and government treats women I think things would be better, yes.
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So you don't think that government's better treatment of women makes up for the biological downsides that women get stuck with? If that's true wouldn't that mean that on the whole women's overall opportunities in life are still a bit behind that of men?

I mean you cited sentencing laws, child custody laws, adoption laws, and child support laws as examples of how men get screwed by government, but what % of men even have to worry about that? I mean essentially the only men that need to worry about sentencing laws are convicted criminals. The rest seem to be problems limited to men who get the wrong women pregnant. So it would seem that men could avoid all these supposed problems by simply making better choices.

Conversely all women are stuck with the biological problems that make life more difficult for women aren't they?
 
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MrWonka said:
But who created this culture and why? Why would it be human nature to favor women and hurt men? Why would men who control society do this to themselves?
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A combination of men and women. Why would you think men only did that? It's not human nature to hurt men in favor of women, but it is human nature for people to see weaker more vulnerable humans as more deserving of protection then the stronger bigger humans. You see this tendency when to comes to children and you see the same tendency when it comes to women.

Why? Are men just superior people incapable of personal bias.
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Nope. They just don't think men need anything because we're super awesome.

Are you sure? Do these laws actually victimize men or are their actually valid reasons to favor women that even most men understand? I mean aren't most judges in this country men? Why would they let stereotypes about men effect sentencing and child custody decisions? ] Is it possible that men simply are naturally more violent than women? Is it possible that women who carry a child for 9 months inside their body are naturally more predisposed to nurturing and taking care of that child?
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Have you ever seen the most violent female criminals in prison? You should visit and talk to those women and compare and contrast to the most violent in male prison. There isn't that big of a difference. The fact is if I rob, murder or rape someone then I should get the same sentence that a woman would get for the crime. It's not like my crime is somehow worse because I have a penis or something.

As for custody decisions, well, the woman is seen as the favorable party and they generally give her an easier time in court to win custody. The man basically has the majority of the work to do and has to start from a lower position than the woman. She starts from the position that she is fit for custody, while the man usually starts from the position that he is not.


So are their any other groups of people that are naturally biased against themselves?
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Never said they were biased against themselves. You're making the mistake that they are doing it with the intention to undermine men.

So you don't think that government's better treatment of women makes up for the biological downsides that women get stuck with? If that's true wouldn't that mean that on the whole women's overall opportunities in life are still a bit behind that of men?
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What does biological suckage have to do with how society treats people? Women have a long series of laws that were made just for them over the last several decades. Many of those laws in recent years don't even have to do with rights, but with demands that the feminist movement made dealing with government favors they wanted or things they wanted to force on employers. On the other hand, nothing has really been done for men in that time frame, but there has been laws that made their situation worse like baby moses laws.
 
ecofarm said:
What is causing Trump to attack men? Why does he think that men are not important? Why has Trump become an anti-male sexist? Is he a puppet of his evil man-hating daughter? Has Europe and Canada, as he mentions above, corrupted him?
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Trump has been accused of being a male chauvinist. Now he tries to get rid of this negative mark by pretending to be more "feminist".
 
ecofarm said:
President Trump, Ivanka and PM Trudeau Promote Women in Business - Yahoo Finance



https://uk.news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-tells-justin-trudeau-192802812.html


At the press conference today, Trump said he would be instituting a program to empower women entrepreneurs. This program will only be for women! What about equality? Why has Trump joined in the oppression of males with such an obviously biased program? Trumped has joined the feminists in their crusade to emasculate and marginalize men in our country.

Are we, as men, going to just sit back and take this? We must demand that Trump also create a program to empower male entrepreneurs!

What is causing Trump to attack men? Why does he think that men are not important? Why has Trump become an anti-male sexist? Is he a puppet of his evil man-hating daughter? Has Europe and Canada, as he mentions above, corrupted him?

This oppression cannot be allowed.
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Last week you were crying about him grabbing ******s............................. or some other ramblings that only you seem to understand.
 
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