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The ramifications of a terrorist attack from one of the 7 ban countries

A tax on high fat foods and sugarly food would save a lot more life than banning all visits from seven countries.
Personal choices are to blame. When the government doesn't do all it can to keep bad people out of our country, that is not a person's own choice.

The same with installing ignition interlock devices in every new car that could save thousands of life every year in the western world by preventing drunk driving accidents.
I wonder how you rate on the "authoritarian scale?"

Still few western politician propose tax on high fat foods and sugarly food and I don't know any western politician proposing interlock devices. Because many voters would screaming at top of their lungs that their freedom was taking away.
That is because it is wrong to punish everyone for the acts of a few. That is why interlock devices are only put on cars driven by convicted drunken drivers, so they can still drive to work and back, groceries, etc.

I would only agree to putting sugary and fatty items on a list that doesn't allow their purchase with SNAP or TANF, etc. Personal choices needs to remain such, but these same people are almost defiantly using government subsidized medical also.

That instead it is then it comes to terrorism you see extremly drastic measuers like banning all vistis from seven countries to USA. Because that terrorists are really good at creating group fear and also get help from the media and politician like Donald Trump to increase the fear.
I forget where the constitution addresses immigration, but it is supports the idea of protecting the states. We can open and close doors as needed.
 
Those are fighting words!

I love my cheese. I consume far more cheese and milk than most. As for cholesterol, my levels are pretty low for my age.

I couldn't agree more! Sharp chedder is almost like crack, to me! :)
 
I couldn't agree more! Sharp chedder is almost like crack, to me! :)

I have at least three types of cheeses in my fridge at any given time. Always have the Tillamook Extra Sharp on hand. It's aged 15 months. I usually have on hand the Kraft Deli Deluxe American too. It is the only American cheese I will buy. The cheap ones are crap. I also usually have the presliced Tillamook Sharp. I occasionally buy the White Tillamook Extra Sharp aged 2 years, but it doesn't slice well. Excellent for making Queso with. Then of course, I will buy a random cheese from time to time, but I listed my 4 common purchases.

Sometime only cheese and whole wheat crackers satisfy my hunger.
 
I have at least three types of cheeses in my fridge at any given time. Always have the Tillamook Extra Sharp on hand. It's aged 15 months. I usually have on hand the Kraft Deli Deluxe American too. It is the only American cheese I will buy. The cheap ones are crap. I also usually have the presliced Tillamook Sharp. I occasionally buy the White Tillamook Extra Sharp aged 2 years, but it doesn't slice well. Excellent for making Queso with. Then of course, I will buy a random cheese from time to time, but I listed my 4 common purchases.

Sometime only cheese and whole wheat crackers satisfy my hunger.


All Pickish ehhh? A little fermented curd will do the trick!





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I have at least three types of cheeses in my fridge at any given time. Always have the Tillamook Extra Sharp on hand. It's aged 15 months. I usually have on hand the Kraft Deli Deluxe American too. It is the only American cheese I will buy. The cheap ones are crap. I also usually have the presliced Tillamook Sharp. I occasionally buy the White Tillamook Extra Sharp aged 2 years, but it doesn't slice well. Excellent for making Queso with. Then of course, I will buy a random cheese from time to time, but I listed my 4 common purchases.

Sometime only cheese and whole wheat crackers satisfy my hunger.
That's some good stuff. That's my preferred.
 
It seems quite likely there will be some kind of terrorist attack coming from one of the seven ban countries for a number of reasons. Al Qaeda, ISIS, a lone terrorist; they all have a great opportunity to make a strike that would be amplified many times over what it normally would have been. The motivation here is now very high and they would have a chance to affect massive influence over U.S. foreign policy. If they want to provoke far more tensions and less cooperation and trust between the U.S. and the Muslim world, this is a terrific opportunity.

Another threat is the lone wolf that isn't actually a terrorist yet. Imagine a refugee or immigrant that comes over and then watches our news for a few weeks. On a daily basis they've been told people from those countries might be dangerous. All it takes is somebody who can't find a job, perhaps is depressed, doesn't know what to do with their life, is scared, spouse left them, etc. etc. and with this constant barrage of "the bad people are gonna get us" it lends an idea. We saw this with the "war on police" last year. Once the news is jam packed with "group x is at war with the police". Every idiot with a gun that also identifies with group x is then a possible threat. We started seeing people taking shots at the police for fun, out of hate, etc. which was out of the ordinary and started happening all over.

The second phase here after it happens is going to be a political bloodbath. Trump and his supporters will be screaming at the top of their lungs WE TOLD YOU WE TOLD YOU STUPID LIBERALS WE TOLD YOU. This will be almost impossible to counter because of the ultra simplified "we banned them because they're dangerous". "You let them in because you're stupid". "They attacked and killed our citizens because you're stupid". And that will be a wrap.

You could make the argument that this all never would have happened if not for the divisive ban in the first place; but that is far too subtle and involves thinking in non black and white terms and seeing things from an abstract perspective. Perhaps it would have still happened, perhaps not. Even if it is pretty obvious the Trump administration created a problem out of thin air and then called attention to it, the knee-jerk reaction from the terrorist attack will kick all this to the curb as utter nonsense. When people get angry they want simple and aggressive actions, nothing else.

With this political capital Trump will then be able to far more effectively execute his xenophobic agenda and can also use it as cover for whatever else he can hide under its' wings. The long term damage of all this will set back West and Muslim relations years and only add to the heaps of hate, anger, and terrorism. I wouldn't even be surprised if this was the beginning of renewed discussion of a new middle east military campaign.

I think we should definitely be aware of this and beware of covert false flag operations being conducted in order to 'prove' Trump correct. I think he'd have no trouble reconciling this to himself by invoking the idea of the greater good, in the national interest. It's the kind of rationalisation that classic fascists employ in their early years in power, before things seriously start to escalate.
 
I have at least three types of cheeses in my fridge at any given time. Always have the Tillamook Extra Sharp on hand. It's aged 15 months. I usually have on hand the Kraft Deli Deluxe American too. It is the only American cheese I will buy. The cheap ones are crap. I also usually have the presliced Tillamook Sharp. I occasionally buy the White Tillamook Extra Sharp aged 2 years, but it doesn't slice well. Excellent for making Queso with. Then of course, I will buy a random cheese from time to time, but I listed my 4 common purchases.

Sometime only cheese and whole wheat crackers satisfy my hunger.

Never invite me to your house; I'll clean you out...lol
 
Personal choices are to blame. When the government doesn't do all it can to keep bad people out of our country, that is not a person's own choice.


I wonder how you rate on the "authoritarian scale?"


That is because it is wrong to punish everyone for the acts of a few. That is why interlock devices are only put on cars driven by convicted drunken drivers, so they can still drive to work and back, groceries, etc.

I would only agree to putting sugary and fatty items on a list that doesn't allow their purchase with SNAP or TANF, etc. Personal choices needs to remain such, but these same people are almost defiantly using government subsidized medical also.


I forget where the constitution addresses immigration, but it is supports the idea of protecting the states. We can open and close doors as needed.

Banning all visits from seven countries is punishing everyone for the acts of a few. That at the same time you have had no fatal terrorist attacks conducted by citizen from those seven countries.

I’m personally skeptical to interlock devices in all cars, but it seems like an idea Donald Trump should support. Because he seems to like extreme measures to keep American safe that at the same time drunk driving accidents leads to thousands of deaths each year. So he could save a lot more people than any action against terrorism.
 
It's virtually certain that further terrorist attacks will occur. Probability guarantees that eventually, one will have been carried out by one of the countries on the "ban" list. Bias, in turn, guarantees that when it happens, the people who back Trump will blame liberals and the courts, regardless of whether there is a causal relationship and regardless of whether the "ban" is overall sensible policy given all the countries that terrorists actually did come from, but which weren't on the list.
 
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