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The Round Up of Illegals Begins

cuban smokes said:
I assume that is a possibility but if that occurs then that scenario would likely help to create more law enforcement related jobs for people that are legal citizens ..........
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Yay! Expansion of the police state. Is that a new "libertarian" principle now? :roll:
 
calamity said:
Yay! Expansion of the police state. Is that a new "libertarian" principle now? :roll:
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IMO with liberty comes responsibilities; one of the biggies IMO is to obey the laws of the place in which one resides.
If I don't do that myself then I may have to pay a price for not obeying the laws.
I don't want to find myself in that situation; I value my liberties too much to make that trade off.
Apparently there are some here in the US illegally that don't see it that way.
That was their choice to make, or not to make .......
 
calamity said:
IMO, the people who hired them broke laws. Perhaps they even more culpable, since they should have known better. The illegal immigrant is simply fleeing a **** hole, looking for a better opportunity in the land where streets are paved in gold. The crooked employer is looking to find cheaper labor, hiring illegals instead of actual Americans. I certainly find them more deplorable than the poor immigrant.
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There is no doubt that the farmer or repair shop owner should be punished for breaking the law as well as the illegal aliens and police that intentionally didn't do their jobs.
 
joG said:
And what exactly was Contra Constitutional? I don't see it. But maybe you can?
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What the hell is Contra Constitutional?

the Washington judge said it violated due process and the 14th. The 9th circuit agreed with him cause it does and did no matter which version you read.
 
wolfman24 said:
What the hell is Contra Constitutional?

the Washington judge said it violated due process and the 14th. The 9th circuit agreed with him cause it does and did no matter which version you read.
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You are right, that though the argument by political forces, their crowds and the media has been on its being unconstitutional, the 9th avoided mentioning that in its decision.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
In this thread already.
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Your source only talked about federal income taxes, nothing about state and local taxes. I did not see in your source a calculation of the net effect of all taxes paid vs. all refunds received. This is just like Romney's 47% claim. There are taxes other than federal income tax, including payroll tax, sales tax, property tax, and state tax. Federal income tax is not the be all end all measure of what taxes people pay in total.
 
devildavid said:
Your source only talked about federal income taxes, nothing about state and local taxes. I did not see in your source a calculation of the net effect of all taxes paid vs. all refunds received. This is just like Romney's 47% claim. There are taxes other than federal income tax, including payroll tax, sales tax, property tax, and state tax. Federal income tax is not the be all end all measure of what taxes people pay in total.
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State and local taxes are minimal.
 
"The Round Up of Illegals Begins"

Correction. The round up of felonious illegals begins. It is about time.
 
PeteEU said:
So using taxpayer money to decrease the tax base... yea that is a great tactic!
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What, you don't think other people can do those jobs?

Actual citizens?

A lot of people collecting unemployment still

Maybe this lowers it just a tad more.....
 
gdgyva said:
What, you don't think other people can do those jobs?

Actual citizens?
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To be brutally honest? No.

That is the problem. Illegals come to where ever they go because there is work. Now that work is there, because of certain factors. The two main being that there is not enough locals to do the job or not enough locals that want to do the job at the wages offered if at all. And increasing the wages will only increase prices, something no American wants I suspect.

A lot of people collecting unemployment still
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The US is close to full employment.. so no there is not a lot of people. Plus a lot of these unemployed are not living where these "jobs" are and moving is not an option since they are .. poor.
 
fmw said:
"The Round Up of Illegals Begins"

Correction. The round up of felonious illegals begins. It is about time.
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It never ended. This is an extension of the same work that ICE was doing under the Obama administration. The administration may be trying to make it look like they've begun to get tough on illegals when in fact they are doing the same exact thing Obama did. The left may be trying to spin this as the beginning of the end for illegals when in fact it's just more of the same.

Lots of bull**** coming out of both sides.
 
PeteEU said:
To be brutally honest? No.

That is the problem. Illegals come to where ever they go because there is work. Now that work is there, because of certain factors. The two main being that there is not enough locals to do the job or not enough locals that want to do the job at the wages offered if at all. And increasing the wages will only increase prices, something no American wants I suspect.



The US is close to full employment.. so no there is not a lot of people. Plus a lot of these unemployed are not living where these "jobs" are and moving is not an option since they are .. poor.
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And this is where our points of view differ

If we stop letting illegals do certain jobs, wages for those jobs would rise a bit

And most of the people on the left have been going crazy because wages are too low

This will make employers pay more for those jobs....a good thing

And yes, we have good employment numbers

But we can have better....and if a job is worth more, maybe some of those who have given up will actually go get that job

And in this case, I don't have an issue paying a bit more for those products

At least the money will stay here...and not be wired out of our country
 
gdgyva said:
And this is where our points of view differ

If we stop letting illegals do certain jobs, wages for those jobs would rise a bit
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And so will prices of the products that they help to produce.

And most of the people on the left have been going crazy because wages are too low
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Wages have been too low, since prices have gone up relatively more than wages. This is a fact, and cant be disputed.

This will make employers pay more for those jobs....a good thing
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And you are willing to pay 50+% more for your veggies and meat?

And yes, we have good employment numbers

But we can have better....and if a job is worth more, maybe some of those who have given up will actually go get that job
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Do you understand the concept of full employment?

And in this case, I don't have an issue paying a bit more for those products

At least the money will stay here...and not be wired out of our country
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A bit more? come on. No one would want to work in the fields for next to nothing. It would mean that your food stuffs would increase considerably in prices.
 
calamity said:
So? It still does not justify rounding up Brown people to see which ones are here legally and which ones are not. Now, if he rounded up everyone: White, Black, Asian, whatever; and asked us all to prove we belong, it would be legal---but, he won't be president long nor will those congressmen supporting him be on the Hill very long.
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Well, let me ask you something: I think that you'll agree (and to an older person it's really obvious) that this immigration thing is completely out of control. South of the border cartels are running the black market on the west coast and elsewhere. And when they yell that "America is going to close its borders", the throngs come by the tens of thousands and who knows what's passing through our southern boarders when that goes on. The fact of the matter is that immigrants should just have more respect for the place that they want to get into, American companies should not be hiring just anybody that passes through the door without proper documentation: that's what started it all ya'know, and gangism of Mexican interest should just plain be run out of the country. So! having said that - like Obamacare - shouldn't we just get started? Trump isn't doin anything new when it comes to Latin immigration ya'know. Gang sweeps and raids are made all the time; the cameras are just lookin now.
 
calamity said:
So? It still does not justify rounding up Brown people to see which ones are here legally and which ones are not. Now, if he rounded up everyone: White, Black, Asian, whatever; and asked us all to prove we belong, it would be legal---but, he won't be president long nor will those congressmen supporting him be on the Hill very long.
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Don't you think that it would unduly increase the costs to check everyone? No police in the world does that on crime cases. And this is a case of crime.
 
jet57 said:
Well, let me ask you something: I think that you'll agree (and to an older person it's really obvious) that this immigration thing is completely out of control. South of the border cartels are running the black market on the west coast and elsewhere. And when they yell that "America is going to close its borders", the throngs come by the tens of thousands and who knows what's passing through our southern boarders when that goes on. The fact of the matter is that immigrants should just have more respect for the place that they want to get into, American companies should not be hiring just anybody that passes through the door without proper documentation: that's what started it all ya'know, and gangism of Mexican interest should just plain be run out of the country. So! having said that - like Obamacare - shouldn't we just get started? Trump isn't doin anything new when it comes to Latin immigration ya'know. Gang sweeps and raids are made all the time; the cameras are just lookin now.
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I'm not a fan of illegal aliens at all. But, I'm also not a fan of law enforcement "sweeps."

I still think the solution is to severely punish people who hire illegals. No jobs, no illegals. Simple concept. So, of course we don't do it.
 
calamity said:
I'm not a fan of illegal aliens at all. But, I'm also not a fan of law enforcement "sweeps."

I still think the solution is to severely punish people who hire illegals. No jobs, no illegals. Simple concept. So, of course we don't do it.
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I would agree with you. Gang sweeps however are a very old crime tactic, and if you're not supposed to be here, well...

As for companies, yes I've suggested heavy fines and even imprisonment myself. American were worried about the Japanese taking over the car market, while at the same time American producers were making their commercials! The of course we started selling their cars... But greed is greed and nobody seems interested in jippo companies breaking the law.
 
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