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Why the West should consider the possibility of destroying the scientific method

Ovid

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Given the economic situation of the west, and the lack of any real measurable benefits of scientific endeavors such as the moon landing, or possible expeditions to Mars, and the like - beyond mere faith-based science fiction fantasizes of "science leading us to a utopia" which there is no evidence to support. (Not to mention much to the contrary, such as the creation of nuclear arsenals capable of eliminating the entire world's population).

Given this, as well as the rise of progressive cults such as Humanism trying to bastardize Western science and use it as a basis of their utilitarian death cult ideology - the West might be wise to consider defending science entirely and abolishing the Western scientific method as it is, and allowing science to become decentralized and privatized with no central 'method', just various schools, such as in the less centralized social sciences like psychology.

One thing I will say that is to our benefit however, is the propagation of infotainment via Web 2.0 and 'alternative media', whether 'left or right', it doesn't matter.

However as the intentional promotion of infotainment such as vaccine denialism helps to disrupt and decentralize progressive's "scientific gospel", and given how more young people today care more about Miley Cyrus than they do "scientific information" posted by some virginal nerd on his blog - I'd say the nationalists can use this to our benefit from a utilitarian perspective:

Because in the words of the NSDAP, he alone, who owns the youth, gains the future. And likewise that, a lie repeated enough will be believed.

So the more infotainers such as Alex Jones and the like spreading intentional misinformation that counteracts progressive and 'scientistic' ideology, the better, as it decentralizes their informational control; and a youth whose minds are full of junk food and silly pop cultural information without a strong sense of belief, are therefore far easier to rally to another ideological cause, hopefully that of nationalism, one in which a noble Philosopher King is a far more meritorious individual than a crass scientist.
 
Without scientific projects like that we would not have things like the internet, computers, or GPS, things that have had tremendous economic benefits.
 
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Ovid said:
Given the economic situation of the west, and the lack of any real measurable benefits of scientific endeavors such as the moon landing, or possible expeditions to Mars, and the like - beyond mere faith-based science fiction fantasizes of "science leading us to a utopia" which there is no evidence to support. (Not to mention much to the contrary, such as the creation of nuclear arsenals capable of eliminating the entire world's population).

Given this, as well as the rise of progressive cults such as Humanism trying to bastardize Western science and use it as a basis of their utilitarian death cult ideology - the West might be wise to consider defending science entirely and abolishing the Western scientific method as it is, and allowing science to become decentralized and privatized with no central 'method', just various schools, such as in the less centralized social sciences like psychology.

One thing I will say that is to our benefit however, is the propagation of infotainment via Web 2.0 and 'alternative media', whether 'left or right', it doesn't matter.

However as the intentional promotion of infotainment such as vaccine denialism helps to disrupt and decentralize progressive's "scientific gospel", and given how more young people today care more about Miley Cyrus than they do "scientific information" posted by some virginal nerd on his blog - I'd say the nationalists can use this to our benefit from a utilitarian perspective:

Because in the words of the NSDAP, he alone, who owns the youth, gains the future. And likewise that, a lie repeated enough will be believed.

So the more infotainers such as Alex Jones and the like spreading intentional misinformation that counteracts progressive and 'scientistic' ideology, the better, as it decentralizes their informational control; and a youth whose minds are full of junk food and silly pop cultural information without a strong sense of belief, are therefore far easier to rally to another ideological cause, hopefully that of nationalism, one in which a noble Philosopher King is a far more meritorious individual than a crass scientist.
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Sure. Start with your computer and router.
 
Uhh, what does what you said have to do with the scientific method?

The scientific method is about how to scientifically investigate something - has nothing to do with what you should want to investigate, or even whether you should want to investigate at all.
 
Sherman123 said:
Sure. Start with your computer and router.
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That's technology, not science - we already have the knowledge we need to make these things and I do not see furthering it worth the investment; much of the 'science' propaganda in the media is really nothing more than the further the interests of corporations.
 
sanman said:
Uhh, what does what you said have to do with the scientific method?

The scientific method is about how to scientifically investigate something - has nothing to do with what you should want to investigate, or even whether you should want to investigate at all.
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The west should create a diversity of 'schools' of scientific inquiry rather than try to homogenize them all into one 'method', which was how science existed prior to the invention of the current method, which is often treated falsely as a 'church' or catechism of truth, rather than merely a tool of discovery by those who decide to place their "faith" in science in lieu of religion.
 
Dear old Alex. I don't remember seeing him since this appearance on the BBC. It livened up a normally dull "Sunday Politics".

 
Ovid said:
Given the economic situation of the west, and the lack of any real measurable benefits of scientific endeavors such as the moon landing, or possible expeditions to Mars, and the like - beyond mere faith-based science fiction fantasizes of "science leading us to a utopia" which there is no evidence to support. (Not to mention much to the contrary, such as the creation of nuclear arsenals capable of eliminating the entire world's population).

Given this, as well as the rise of progressive cults such as Humanism trying to bastardize Western science and use it as a basis of their utilitarian death cult ideology - the West might be wise to consider defending science entirely and abolishing the Western scientific method as it is, and allowing science to become decentralized and privatized with no central 'method', just various schools, such as in the less centralized social sciences like psychology.

One thing I will say that is to our benefit however, is the propagation of infotainment via Web 2.0 and 'alternative media', whether 'left or right', it doesn't matter.

However as the intentional promotion of infotainment such as vaccine denialism helps to disrupt and decentralize progressive's "scientific gospel", and given how more young people today care more about Miley Cyrus than they do "scientific information" posted by some virginal nerd on his blog - I'd say the nationalists can use this to our benefit from a utilitarian perspective:

Because in the words of the NSDAP, he alone, who owns the youth, gains the future. And likewise that, a lie repeated enough will be believed.

So the more infotainers such as Alex Jones and the like spreading intentional misinformation that counteracts progressive and 'scientistic' ideology, the better, as it decentralizes their informational control; and a youth whose minds are full of junk food and silly pop cultural information without a strong sense of belief, are therefore far easier to rally to another ideological cause, hopefully that of nationalism, one in which a noble Philosopher King is a far more meritorious individual than a crass scientist.
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When you're actually advocating "spreading intentional misinformation" maybe it's time to reexamine your views.
 
Ovid said:
That's technology, not science - we already have the knowledge we need to make these things and I do not see furthering it worth the investment; much of the 'science' propaganda in the media is really nothing more than the further the interests of corporations.
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Science is technology. Your OP is a verbose diatribe against what is a summation of the most efficient method to investigate phenomena. Your nonsensical idea to "decentralise" science fails because, firstly, you're simply trolling, and secondly, you assume that the scientific method creates science, when the scientific method, as previously stated, is simply most efficient means of doing science.
 
Ovid said:
Given the economic situation of the west, and the lack of any real measurable benefits of scientific endeavors such as the moon landing, or possible expeditions to Mars, and the like - beyond mere faith-based science fiction fantasizes of "science leading us to a utopia" which there is no evidence to support. (Not to mention much to the contrary, such as the creation of nuclear arsenals capable of eliminating the entire world's population).

Given this, as well as the rise of progressive cults such as Humanism trying to bastardize Western science and use it as a basis of their utilitarian death cult ideology - the West might be wise to consider defending science entirely and abolishing the Western scientific method as it is, and allowing science to become decentralized and privatized with no central 'method', just various schools, such as in the less centralized social sciences like psychology.

One thing I will say that is to our benefit however, is the propagation of infotainment via Web 2.0 and 'alternative media', whether 'left or right', it doesn't matter.

However as the intentional promotion of infotainment such as vaccine denialism helps to disrupt and decentralize progressive's "scientific gospel", and given how more young people today care more about Miley Cyrus than they do "scientific information" posted by some virginal nerd on his blog - I'd say the nationalists can use this to our benefit from a utilitarian perspective:

Because in the words of the NSDAP, he alone, who owns the youth, gains the future. And likewise that, a lie repeated enough will be believed.

So the more infotainers such as Alex Jones and the like spreading intentional misinformation that counteracts progressive and 'scientistic' ideology, the better, as it decentralizes their informational control; and a youth whose minds are full of junk food and silly pop cultural information without a strong sense of belief, are therefore far easier to rally to another ideological cause, hopefully that of nationalism, one in which a noble Philosopher King is a far more meritorious individual than a crass scientist.
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Yeesh.
You put 'way to much social importance on something that's only a tool for scientists, a way for them to all speak the same language. How would you abolish it? Why? Scientists don't actually do work, they just solve puzzles and answer questions. Up to you whether you pay attention and you can long for a medievel Philosopher King and his pontifications on Fortuna 'till Ignatius J. Reilly comes home but there's no other world behind your closet wall.
Well said, though.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Dear old Alex. I don't remember seeing him since this appearance on the BBC. It livened up a normally dull "Sunday Politics".

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Problem is, like those here who believe they are right, that being distinct from necessarily actually being right, for some reason they think they are exempt from having to support their claims.

While Jones, no doubt, and for all I know as I only watch the occasional alternative show when getting bearings on a controversial topic to counter to the continued lies of the mainstream... and Jones is probably lying on many occasions as well... but having already without doubt established the bias of media to my own satisfaction back in the late 80s, finally went cold turkey in 2004 shutting off the TV completely, researching topics on my own so as not to be spoon fed what I am supposed to know by those "in the know".

So what if Andrew Neil says something. Is there a reason I am to give him much credence? The clip didn't even truly ID the topic so as to form a valid opinion about what he or Jones was advocating. I have studied history and politics enough that I know our governments and/or parts of our governments, are very capable of some pretty outrageous, incredibly brazen and diabolical acts. At the same time one can go completely overboard on conspiracies.

l think it is incumbent upon all that consider themselves in the conscious world to look at almost everything with a discerning, logical/practical and jaundiced eye.

[Read: this clip is not at all persuasive]
 
Ovid said:
Given the economic situation of the west, and the lack of any real measurable benefits of scientific endeavors such as the moon landing, or possible expeditions to Mars, and the like.
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Umm.... What the hell are you talking about? There have been so many measurable benefits of scientific endeavors like the moon landing it's ridiculous. The invention of satellites alone has made world wide communication possible. If you don't think space travel has made a huge difference just throw away your cell phone. There have been so many materials invented for the purposes of the space program that ended up being used for something completely different it's ridiculous.
 
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