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Berkeley protest organizer supports the violence, "united" with anarchists

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For those of you on the left who claim that liberals don't support the violence that's taken place at Berkeley and various other locations around the country, and lay blame for the violence and destruction of property on "anarchists" that you claim hijack your peaceful events, I'm afraid that excuse has just reached it's expiration date and lost what little credibility it ever had.

In an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, Ronald Cruz, BAMN member and organizer for the Berkeley protest riot to prevent the expression of opposing political views and squelch free speech, just admitted what anyone with half a brain already knew... That those who engage in violence and destruction at these protest are considered welcomed guests by the liberals who organize these events.

Read it for yourself:


Anti-Milo organizer: Window-smashing Cal protest ‘stunningly successful’
By Matier & Ross, San Francisco Chronicle
February 8, 2017


Organizers of the anti-Milo Yiannopoulos demonstration last week at UC Berkeley that ended in $100,000 worth of window-breaking chaos declared it a “stunningly successful” protest — one they’ll happily repeat if the right-wing provocateur tries to return to campus.


“We are happy with the results,” said UC Berkeley Law School alumnus Ronald Cruz of the group By Any Means Necessary, or BAMN. “We were able to meet Mr. Yiannopoulos’ fascist message with massive resistance.”


An estimated 150 “black bloc” anarchists attacked police with rocks and fireworks and used barricades to smash windows at the student union Feb. 1, forcing the cancellation of Yiannopoulos’ appearance.


“We are not affiliated with them, but were united in shutting down the Milo event,” Cruz said.


“Everyone played a part,” he said. “Some engaged in breaking windows — others held signs and made sure that the fascists and the police did not attack anyone.
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Anti-Milo organizer: Window-smashing Cal protest ?stunningly successful? - San Francisco Chronicle

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I hear that 1984 is currently a best seller since the Trump Presidency.
Is it too much to hope that the people reading it see the doublespeak with people in masks causing violence, setting fires, and disrupting the freedom of speech condemning others as fascists. "Fascists" who are only there to speak.
 
I'm certain more than enough left leaning individuals like myself have told you that rioters do not represent their values and world views. The organizer of the protest can only represent his views and people who subscribe his views. And that staunchly liberal people such as myself condemn riots and any attempt at censorship of conservatives.

But that doesn't matter to you, because you have a worldview to spin, and you plan on using Berkley as a political cudgel to accuse anyone who disagrees with you as evil. At some point do you not find this game of political football boring?
 
CMPancake said:
I'm certain more than enough left leaning individuals like myself have told you that rioters do not represent their values and world views. The organizer of the protest can only represent his views and people who subscribe his views. And that staunchly liberal people such as myself condemn riots and any attempt at censorship of conservatives.

But that doesn't matter to you, because you have a worldview to spin, and you plan on using Berkley as a political cudgel to accuse anyone who disagrees with you as evil. At some point do you not find this game of political football boring?
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At some point are "rational" staunch liberals like yourself going to condemn the Fascist efforts of students on College Campuses who seek to violate the Constitutional rights of groups they don't agree with?
 
ocean515 said:
At some point are "rational" staunch liberals like yourself going to condemn the Fascist efforts of students on College Campuses who seek to violate the Constitutional rights of groups they don't agree with?
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That'd be the part where he wrote, "...liberal people like myself condemn riots and any attempt at censorship of conservatives." See it? Right there at the end of the first paragraph.
Uh, you did read his post before you replied, right?
 
ocean515 said:
At some point are "rational" staunch liberals like yourself going to condemn the Fascist efforts of students on College Campuses who seek to violate the Constitutional rights of groups they don't agree with?
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We have, that's the point of my post. Should Conservatives be forced to apologize for the actions of people like Alexandre Bissonnette who was a far right extremist who gunned down 6 Muslims in Quebec, or can we just come to a mutual agreement that violence doesn't and shouldn't represent other side of political ideology?
 
CMPancake said:
We have, that's the point of my post. Should Conservatives be forced to apologize for the actions of people like Alexandre Bissonnette who was a far right extremist who gunned down 6 Muslims in Quebec, or can we just come to a mutual agreement that violence doesn't and shouldn't represent other side of political ideology?
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No.

Since November 9, 2016, the left has been in wholesale melt down that some would suggest borders on the need for psychiatric intervention in many. Massive demonstrations, Fascist violations of Constitutional rights, and a never ending assault against anyone who might voice support for the Presidents actions has been taking place.

There is no equivalence. There is nothing approaching equivalence. There should be mutual agreement that violence doesn't and shouldn't represent the other side, but the left needs to step up and clean house before attempting to claim some moral high ground.
 
CMPancake said:
I'm certain more than enough left leaning individuals like myself have told you that rioters do not represent their values and world views. The organizer of the protest can only represent his views and people who subscribe his views. And that staunchly liberal people such as myself condemn riots and any attempt at censorship of conservatives.

But that doesn't matter to you, because you have a worldview to spin, and you plan on using Berkley as a political cudgel to accuse anyone who disagrees with you as evil. At some point do you not find this game of political football boring?
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I realize that you and many others on the left oppose the violence, destruction of property and the suppression of free speech that's taking place at liberal protests around the country. The problem is that progressive leaders and the democrats in DC, who have the power to put a stop to it, offer nothing but their silent approval for the actions that are taking place in the name of their political beliefs.

We just finished up a presidential campaign where it was discovered that the DNC and Hillary Clinton, the democratic nominee for President of the United States, were involved in the planning and staging of events deliberately designed to incite violence at Donald Trump rallies, and now the organizer of a very violent protest designed to stifle free speech, is calling their actions a "success" and saying they are "united" with those who caused 100,000 dollars in damages... and you want to scold me for painting with too broad a brush?

When you combine that with all of the vitriol and hatred being spewed about our elected president on a daily basis by liberals from DC to California, the result is that more and more Americans are opening their eyes and coming to the same conclusions I have about what the political left in this country has become... and it repulses them as much as it does me.

If democrats and prominent people on the political left don't take control and put a stop to this behavior, the progressive movement in America is going to fade into political obscurity.

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Grand Mal said:
That'd be the part where he wrote, "...liberal people like myself condemn riots and any attempt at censorship of conservatives." See it? Right there at the end of the first paragraph.
Uh, you did read his post before you replied, right?
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Read my post again. I acknowledged the fact he condemned the riots, but asked will there be a point when other staunch liberals like himself are going to condemn the Fascist efforts of the students.

Uh, you did read what I posted before you replied? Right?
 
I don't condone violence in protests. It is rarely an effective approach.

But when I balance a few windows being broken against the massive damage the United States is suffering to its reputation because of Trump and his GOP lapdogs, I have to admit I just laugh at the repetitiously whiny pleadings of the Right in thread after thread. Apparently conservative tears have been moved to the everyday menu.
 
RickJames3000 said:
I don't condone violence in protests. It is rarely an effective approach.

But when I balance a few windows being broken against the massive damage the United States is suffering to its reputation because of Trump and his GOP lapdogs, I have to admit I just laugh at the repetitiously whiny pleadings of the Right in thread after thread. Apparently conservative tears have been moved to the everyday menu.
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That was hilarious. You don't condone violence, but then you explain why you do condone violence. I guess the suffering of the innocent victims is okay since your feelings were hurt, right?

Your a hoot. Thanks for providing today's humor.

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natsb said:
That was hilarious. You don't condone violence, but then you explain why you do condone violence. I guess the suffering of the innocent victims is okay since your feelings were hurt, right?

Your a hoot. Thanks for providing today's humor.

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Bull****. You are making stuff up again, like in the other thread. Learn to read.
 
CMPancake said:
I'm certain more than enough left leaning individuals like myself have told you that rioters do not represent their values and world views. The organizer of the protest can only represent his views and people who subscribe his views. And that staunchly liberal people such as myself condemn riots and any attempt at censorship of conservatives.

But that doesn't matter to you, because you have a worldview to spin, and you plan on using Berkley as a political cudgel to accuse anyone who disagrees with you as evil. At some point do you not find this game of political football boring?
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How are we to play into the partisan world of division and knee-jerk reaction if we admit that one jackass in Berkeley isn't representative of the entire "left"? Just lump everyone together for a single condemnation, and no thinking is required. Come on, get on the trolley.
 
ocean515 said:
No.
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No to what exactly?

ocean515 said:
Since November 9, 2016, the left has been in wholesale melt down that some would suggest borders on the need for psychiatric intervention in many.
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And Conservatives everywhere were a bastion of sound political discourse after Obama was elected and reelected. They totally didn't have a fringe base that had a breakdown and called for a revolution against the guy they didn't like as President.

ocean515 said:
Massive demonstrations,
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Which are allowed under the first amendment. I thought you were all about that Constitution. I guess protests are "fringe" and "crazy" when it's against your worldview.

ocean515 said:
Fascist violations of Constitutional rights,
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Lol ****ing what?

ocean515 said:
and a never ending assault against anyone who might voice support for the Presidents actions has been taking place.
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And as I said before, violence like that is condemned by sane people everywhere. The vast majority of liberals and left leaning people will tell you this time and time again. Just like I'm sure the vast majority of conservatives will tell us that violence against liberals is not okay either... except for you, who seems rather mum on the individual who gunned down 6 Muslims after showing his views were aligned to American Conservatism.

ocean515 said:
There is no equivalence.
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Oh, is there a difference between the violence done by liberals compared to violence done by conservatives?

ocean515 said:
There is nothing approaching equivalence.
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Please do share what you mean by this.

ocean515 said:
There should be mutual agreement that violence doesn't and shouldn't represent the other side, but the left needs to step up and clean house before attempting to claim some moral high ground.
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Are you professionally this daft, or just a really gifted amateur? It is flat out impossible to go "you're not a liberal anymore" to someone because they committed an act of violence. They'll still believe what they believe. The most people can do is condemn violence. Which an overwhelming majority of people will tell you that. What is happening however is electing to move your goal posts and demand the impossible.
 
Grim17 said:
I realize that you and many others on the left oppose the violence, destruction of property and the suppression of free speech that's taking place at liberal protests around the country.
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Then why are we here with this thread now? Me thinks the rest of your post will contradict this opening statement.


Grim17 said:
The problem is that progressive leaders and the democrats in DC, who have the power to put a stop to it, offer nothing but their silent approval for the actions that are taking place in the name of their political beliefs.
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I know for a fact that former President of the United States, Barrack Obama outright condemned violence being committed by liberals that are attempting to silence and censor Conservatives. Do you need someone higher on the totem pole than the former Democratic President?

Grim17 said:
We just finished up a presidential campaign where it was discovered that the DNC and Hillary Clinton, the democratic nominee for President of the United States, were involved in the planning and staging of events deliberately designed to incite violence at Donald Trump rallies,
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And in light of this corruption in the election with the GOP taking the House, Senate, and the White House. An obviously sizable amount of Democrats couldn't stomach the DNC openly opposing the values of the people they claim to represent. I for one refused to vote for Hilary because this corruption.

Grim17 said:
and now the organizer of a very violent protest designed to stifle free speech, is calling their actions a "success" and saying they are "united" with those who caused 100,000 dollars in damages... and you want to scold me for painting with too broad a brush?
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Do you sincerely believe that the Berkley protesters represent the Liberal ideology whole sale?

Grim17 said:
When you combine that with all of the vitriol and hatred being spewed about our elected president on a daily basis by liberals from DC to California, the result is that more and more Americans are opening their eyes and coming to the same conclusions I have about what the political left in this country has become... and it repulses them as much as it does me.
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Are you suggesting that "the left" should not be critical of the President? I thought that was one of the most patriotic things one can do as a citizen?

Grim17 said:
If democrats and prominent people on the political left don't take control and put a stop to this behavior, the progressive movement in America is going to fade into political obscurity.
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As I told Ocean, Democratic leadership cannot just simply exorcise the "liberalism" out of violent offenders. The most they can do is condemn violence (which democratic leaders have down, several times.) But just like Ocean, you don't care about any actual honesty. You got an agenda to run and you just can't let a good tragedy go to waste.

Oh hey, I was right. Your opening statement completely contradicted the rest of your post. It's almost as if you've played this hand one hundred times before.
 
ocean515 said:
At some point are "rational" staunch liberals like yourself going to condemn the Fascist efforts of students on College Campuses who seek to violate the Constitutional rights of groups they don't agree with?
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have not done so already?
 
CMPancake said:
No to what exactly?



And Conservatives everywhere were a bastion of sound political discourse after Obama was elected and reelected. They totally didn't have a fringe base that had a breakdown and called for a revolution against the guy they didn't like as President.



Which are allowed under the first amendment. I thought you were all about that Constitution. I guess protests are "fringe" and "crazy" when it's against your worldview.



Lol ****ing what?



And as I said before, violence like that is condemned by sane people everywhere. The vast majority of liberals and left leaning people will tell you this time and time again. Just like I'm sure the vast majority of conservatives will tell us that violence against liberals is not okay either... except for you, who seems rather mum on the individual who gunned down 6 Muslims after showing his views were aligned to American Conservatism.



Oh, is there a difference between the violence done by liberals compared to violence done by conservatives?



Please do share what you mean by this.



Are you professionally this daft, or just a really gifted amateur? It is flat out impossible to go "you're not a liberal anymore" to someone because they committed an act of violence. They'll still believe what they believe. The most people can do is condemn violence. Which an overwhelming majority of people will tell you that. What is happening however is electing to move your goal posts and demand the impossible.
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Thank you for your opinion. It is as vacant of intellect, and obnoxious as ever.

Let me know when you want to exchange in an adult conversation.

Have a good day.
 
blarg said:
have not done so already?
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No. They haven't. In fact, the coordinator of the protest in Berkeley thanked the violent element of his effort to violate Constitutionally protected rights.

I realize it's probably politically expedient to claim staunch liberals are condemning these efforts, but that dog don't hunt.

When the EX President of the United States steps into the fray to encourage the deeply charged and emotional protests, the claim these activities are being condemned is just not going to sell to people who are learning and likely remembering.
 
ocean515 said:
Thank you for your opinion. It is as vacant of intellect, and obnoxious as ever.

Let me know when you want to exchange in an adult conversation.
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I engaged you, asked for clarifications for your broad, vague statements, I gave you the same respect the President would give to someone who disagrees with you. Are you triggered, Ocean? Do you need someone to bring you to a safe space?
 
CMPancake said:
I engaged you, asked for clarifications for your broad, vague statements, I gave you the same respect the President would give to someone who disagrees with you. Are you triggered, Ocean? Do you need someone to bring you to a safe space?
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:sword:

LOL

I rest my case.
 
Ikari said:
How are we to play into the partisan world of division and knee-jerk reaction if we admit that one jackass in Berkeley isn't representative of the entire "left"? Just lump everyone together for a single condemnation, and no thinking is required. Come on, get on the trolley.
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"But republicans started it."


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Grim17 said:
For those of you on the left who claim that liberals don't support the violence that's taken place at Berkeley and various other locations around the country, and lay blame for the violence and destruction of property on "anarchists" that you claim hijack your peaceful events, I'm afraid that excuse has just reached it's expiration date and lost what little credibility it ever had.
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No, it hasn't. This is similar to another thread where someone was trying to claim a few people in Texas wanting to take spousal rights away proves that anyone who was opposed to "marriage" including "same sex couples" was simply interested in oppressing gay people rather than just having issue with the use of the word. No, this doesn't make the excuse "reach its expiration date".

Before this idiot came out and supported this notion, it was UNQUESTIONABLE that there were Liberals who endorsed the violence (because, in part, there were ones ENGAGING in it). AND it was unquestionable there were liberals who did NOT endorse the violence (because, in part, there were ones actively speaking against it).

This idiot coming out changes that zero. After his statement, the situation is the same as before....some support it, some don't. One jackass throwing his support behind it doesn't magically mean all those liberals who DON'T support it are suddenly unable to suggest that's the case anymore.
 
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