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"In 26 Years, I've Never Seen Anything Like This" White House Leaks Reportedly Reveal

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Henrin said:
No one should be there for twenty-six years.
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I know, right. Experience is so overrated. I fire any doctor that has been in practice more than 10 years. Any general who has been in the army over 15 years is too out of touch to be effective. You are so right...
 
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Redress said:
I know, right. Experience is so overrated. I fire any doctor that has been in practice more than 10 years. Any general who has been in the army over 15 years is too out of touch to be effective. You are so right...
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I always keep my politicians in office for forty years. What could possibly go wrong?
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
You mean like congress critters?
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Pretty much.
 
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joG said:
Is Cohen a psychiatrist or something?

There can be no doubt that Trump is running a weird honeymoon, but I doubt that that is enough to justify the diagnosis of insanity at this point. It is even possible that he is working a fully rational if quite demanding and risky strategy.
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Cohen is not a psychiatrist. Here is what psychiatrists are saying:

"In the several days since psychologist John Gartner posted a petition on Facebook declaring that Donald Trump must be removed from office because he has “a serious mental illness that renders him psychologically incapable of competently discharging the duties of President of the United States,” more than 18,000 psychologists, psychiatrists, and other mental health professionals have signed their agreement.

Although the petition has no legal power and it may be the beneficiary of timing more than tactics—it was posted mere hours before Trump issued a highly contentious executive order banning immigrants from some Muslim countries—it has made public what many have been saying privately for some time

Gartner, a psychologist in private practice in Baltimore and New York, author of a psychobiography of Bill Clinton, and a former instructor in psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, contends that Trump “manifestly” meets the DSM-published criteria for at least three personality disorders: narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), antisocial personality disorder, and paranoid personality disorder. They are a “toxic brew” that in his view not only make Trump “dangerous” but add up to “malignant narcissism,” not a diagnosis formalized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual but a label coined by the German-born psychologist and psychoanalyst Erich Fromm.

What makes it possible to diagnose Trump, says Gartner, is that the DSM, version 5 of which is in current use, puts pathology in the realm of the observable. It describes problematic behaviors, not possible motivations. For example, “when Trump declares that he knows more about ISIS than the generals, he is displaying grandiosity,” one of the criteria for narcissistic personality disorder. Or when he instructs the National Parks Service not to display photographs showing empty bleachers during the inaugural parade, he is making obvious his need for admiration.

Bad as NPD is, what makes Trump especially dangerous, Gartner contends, is his antisocial nature, manifest, he alleges, in such DSM-5 criteria as impulsiveness, deceitfulness (his use of aliases such as John Barron on recordings voicing support for his activities), and failing to obey laws and norms (refusal to show tax returns). “We’ve never had an antisocial president,” says Gartner. “What it means is that there are now no guardrails for us.”"

"https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/brainstorm/201701/shrinks-battle-over-diagnosing-donald-trump
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
And that is?
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Clearly you are having a hard time following and reading what you quote.
 
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DA60 said:
'Trump’s volatile behavior has created an environment ripe for leaks from his executive agencies and even within his White House, according to The Huffington Post. And while leaks typically involve staffers sabotaging each other to improve their own standing or trying to scuttle policy ideas they find genuinely problematic, Trump’s 2-week-old administration has a third category: leaks from White House and agency officials alarmed by the president’s conduct.

For Americans who based their impression of Trump on the competent and decisive tycoon he portrayed on his “Apprentice” TV reality shows, the portrait from these and many other tidbits emerging from his administration may seem a shock: an impulsive, sometimes petty chief executive more concerned with the adulation of the nation than the details of his own policies ? and quick to assign blame when things do not go his way.

“I’ve been in this town for 26 years. I have never seen anything like this,” said Eliot Cohen, a senior State Department official under President George W. Bush and a member of his National Security Council. “I genuinely do not think this is a mentally healthy president.”'

"In 26 Years, I've Never Seen Anything Like This" White House Leaks Reportedly Reveal Trump Team Turmoil | Zero Hedge


Thoughts?
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Don't you know that we are living in a world now where any possible news or opinion or reporting negative or critical of Trump can't possibly true, that anything criticizing the dear leader is all propaganda and sore losers and rivals trying to bring him down?
 
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Henrin said:
I always keep my politicians in office for forty years. What could possibly go wrong?
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If they are doing a good job, not much. Performance matters. Experience matters.
 
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Redress said:
If they are doing a good job, not much. Performance matters. Experience matters.
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Except of course in government people that have been doing it for decades on end are usually corrupt and are usually more of a problem than anything else.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Another enabler living in denial.
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Denial of what? That Trump is mentally unstable because of what a bureaucrat has said, yep that's me.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
So you have evidence of similar behavior with Clinton?

Please share it with us.
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You are just going off reports about Trump. There are plenty of reports of her, as recent as election night, of her going bonkers.
 
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Leaks Suggest Trump’s Own Team Is Alarmed By His Conduct

'White House leaks are common, but leakers suggesting the president might be unfit for office are not.'

'WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump was confused about the dollar: Was it a strong one that’s good for the economy? Or a weak one?

So he made a call ― except not to any of the business leaders Trump brought into his administration or even to an old friend from his days in real estate. Instead, he called his national security adviser, retired Lt. Gen. Mike Flynn, according to two sources familiar with Flynn’s accounts of the incident.

Flynn has a long record in counterintelligence but not in macroeconomics. And he told Trump he didn’t know, that it wasn’t his area of expertise, that, perhaps, Trump should ask an economist instead.

Trump was not thrilled with that response ― but that may have been a function of the time of day. Trump had placed the call at 3 a.m., according to one of Flynn’s retellings ― although neither the White House nor Flynn’s office responded to requests for confirmation about that detail.'

Leaks Suggest Trump's Own Team Is Alarmed By His Conduct | The Huffington Post
 
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Redress said:
You know all the leakers? Got a list of names? Or are you just parroting what Trump said?
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Parroting what Trump said?
iLOL
I have no idea what he has said regarding this issue, so I certainly can not be parroting it.

Get back with me once the hold-overs have been replaced. If the leaking continues, especially with fake information, then the article may have a point. Until then, no.

And btw, you may want to look up the author of that fiction masquerading as an article in the OP.
 
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NIMBY said:
I suspect the leaks are coming from the Priebus/Pence wing of the admin and their staffers .
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Because they seem to be the outsiders who are not getting their way?
 
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ataraxia said:
Cohen is not a psychiatrist. Here is what psychiatrists are saying:

"In the several days since psychologist John Gartner posted a petition on Facebook declaring that Donald Trump must be removed from office because he has “a serious mental illness that renders him psychologically incapable of competently discharging the duties of President of the United States,” more than 18,000 psychologists, psychiatrists, and other mental health professionals have signed their agreement.

Although the petition has no legal power and it may be the beneficiary of timing more than tactics—it was posted mere hours before Trump issued a highly contentious executive order banning immigrants from some Muslim countries—it has made public what many have been saying privately for some time

Gartner, a psychologist in private practice in Baltimore and New York, author of a psychobiography of Bill Clinton, and a former instructor in psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, contends that Trump “manifestly” meets the DSM-published criteria for at least three personality disorders: narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), antisocial personality disorder, and paranoid personality disorder. They are a “toxic brew” that in his view not only make Trump “dangerous” but add up to “malignant narcissism,” not a diagnosis formalized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual but a label coined by the German-born psychologist and psychoanalyst Erich Fromm.

What makes it possible to diagnose Trump, says Gartner, is that the DSM, version 5 of which is in current use, puts pathology in the realm of the observable. It describes problematic behaviors, not possible motivations. For example, “when Trump declares that he knows more about ISIS than the generals, he is displaying grandiosity,” one of the criteria for narcissistic personality disorder. Or when he instructs the National Parks Service not to display photographs showing empty bleachers during the inaugural parade, he is making obvious his need for admiration.

Bad as NPD is, what makes Trump especially dangerous, Gartner contends, is his antisocial nature, manifest, he alleges, in such DSM-5 criteria as impulsiveness, deceitfulness (his use of aliases such as John Barron on recordings voicing support for his activities), and failing to obey laws and norms (refusal to show tax returns). “We’ve never had an antisocial president,” says Gartner. “What it means is that there are now no guardrails for us.”"

"https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/brainstorm/201701/shrinks-battle-over-diagnosing-donald-trump
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I had read that. There are a good few liberals and other detractors of the President saying or paying others to say all sorts of nasty stuff. There has been so much whining and screeching and insulting and puffed hot air that the liberals have damaged the credibility of the whole bunch.

Now don't get me wrong. I am unhappy that Trump won. But I am at least as unhappy with the unappetizing behavior of the liberals over the past years and the even worse activity of late. It is discrediting anyone's position taken against Trump. It is absolutely pathetic considering how important good arguments would be just now.
 
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DA60 said:
'Trump’s volatile behavior has created an environment ripe for leaks from his executive agencies and even within his White House, according to The Huffington Post. And while leaks typically involve staffers sabotaging each other to improve their own standing or trying to scuttle policy ideas they find genuinely problematic, Trump’s 2-week-old administration has a third category: leaks from White House and agency officials alarmed by the president’s conduct.

For Americans who based their impression of Trump on the competent and decisive tycoon he portrayed on his “Apprentice” TV reality shows, the portrait from these and many other tidbits emerging from his administration may seem a shock: an impulsive, sometimes petty chief executive more concerned with the adulation of the nation than the details of his own policies ? and quick to assign blame when things do not go his way.

“I’ve been in this town for 26 years. I have never seen anything like this,” said Eliot Cohen, a senior State Department official under President George W. Bush and a member of his National Security Council. “I genuinely do not think this is a mentally healthy president.”'

"In 26 Years, I've Never Seen Anything Like This" White House Leaks Reportedly Reveal Trump Team Turmoil | Zero Hedge


Thoughts?
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But, but....he's already created MORE jobs than the last eight years!

So what if he's a crazy as a serial killer?
 
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joG said:
I had read that. There are a good few liberals and other detractors of the President saying or paying others to say all sorts of nasty stuff. There has been so much whining and screeching and insulting and puffed hot air that the liberals have damaged the credibility of the whole bunch.

Now don't get me wrong. I am unhappy that Trump won. But I am at least as unhappy with the unappetizing behavior of the liberals over the past years and the even worse activity of late. It is discrediting anyone's position taken against Trump. It is absolutely pathetic considering how important good arguments would be just now.
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"There are a good few liberals and other detractors of the President saying or paying others to say all sorts of nasty stuff. "

\And you have plenty of proof of this, I am sure.

Oh, wait, it's the Trump era. Just keep repeating the lie....
 
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Regardless of the article, it just seems to be getting worse and worse with Trump, never letting up. His Ivanka Tweet in his official capacity today, was beyond the pale!

I still think there's at least a 50-50 Trump doesn't survive his 4 years, perhaps it might even be getting to be more than 50-50. As long as he's giving the GOP what they want, and he doesn't lose more popularity, he'll stick around. But if he stops playing ball with the GOP, or becomes a bigger liability than he already is, he's toast I think.

All it takes is 50.1% of the House, along with 60 Senators. And the Dems are already all-in, meaning only a small minority of the GOP need come along. Paul Ryan may become a very, very, powerful man.
 
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Ahem. Reality check time.

Forget "26 years". No one with the behaviors and personality of Donald Trump has ever occupied the White House.

He is a wildcard and a rascal. He makes me a bit nervous. Wish somebody would take his "tweeter" away from him. But judgment of him will come when we start seeing the results of his actions. So far the only really clumsy move he has made was the implementation fiasco with the immigration ban at the borders. Going to have to wait and see how that shakes out.

Otherwise. Going to see what happens over the next few months and then make a determination of what kind of job Trump is doing.



(unless he starts a nuclear war in the meantime: then i'll adjust my schedule accordingly....)
 
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ataraxia said:
Cohen is not a psychiatrist. Here is what psychiatrists are saying:

"In the several days since psychologist John Gartner posted a petition on Facebook declaring that Donald Trump must be removed from office because he has “a serious mental illness that renders him psychologically incapable of competently discharging the duties of President of the United States,” more than 18,000 psychologists, psychiatrists, and other mental health professionals have signed their agreement.

Although the petition has no legal power and it may be the beneficiary of timing more than tactics—it was posted mere hours before Trump issued a highly contentious executive order banning immigrants from some Muslim countries—it has made public what many have been saying privately for some time

Gartner, a psychologist in private practice in Baltimore and New York, author of a psychobiography of Bill Clinton, and a former instructor in psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, contends that Trump “manifestly” meets the DSM-published criteria for at least three personality disorders: narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), antisocial personality disorder, and paranoid personality disorder. They are a “toxic brew” that in his view not only make Trump “dangerous” but add up to “malignant narcissism,” not a diagnosis formalized in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual but a label coined by the German-born psychologist and psychoanalyst Erich Fromm.

What makes it possible to diagnose Trump, says Gartner, is that the DSM, version 5 of which is in current use, puts pathology in the realm of the observable. It describes problematic behaviors, not possible motivations. For example, “when Trump declares that he knows more about ISIS than the generals, he is displaying grandiosity,” one of the criteria for narcissistic personality disorder. Or when he instructs the National Parks Service not to display photographs showing empty bleachers during the inaugural parade, he is making obvious his need for admiration.

Bad as NPD is, what makes Trump especially dangerous, Gartner contends, is his antisocial nature, manifest, he alleges, in such DSM-5 criteria as impulsiveness, deceitfulness (his use of aliases such as John Barron on recordings voicing support for his activities), and failing to obey laws and norms (refusal to show tax returns). “We’ve never had an antisocial president,” says Gartner. “What it means is that there are now no guardrails for us.”"

"https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/brainstorm/201701/shrinks-battle-over-diagnosing-donald-trump
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I bet every president and every presidential candidate is/was a narcissist. I guarentee you Hillary has the disorder. Anyone who makes it to that level is pretty much guaranteed to be a narcissist.
 
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DA60 said:
'Trump’s volatile behavior has created an environment ripe for leaks from his executive agencies and even within his White House, according to The Huffington Post. And while leaks typically involve staffers sabotaging each other to improve their own standing or trying to scuttle policy ideas they find genuinely problematic, Trump’s 2-week-old administration has a third category: leaks from White House and agency officials alarmed by the president’s conduct.For Americans who based their impression of Trump on the competent and decisive tycoon he portrayed on his “Apprentice” TV reality shows, the portrait from these and many other tidbits emerging from his administration may seem a shock: an impulsive, sometimes petty chief executive more concerned with the adulation of the nation than the details of his own policies ? and quick to assign blame when things do not go his way. “I’ve been in this town for 26 years. I have never seen anything like this,” said Eliot Cohen, a senior State Department official under President George W. Bush and a member of his National Security Council. “I genuinely do not think this is a mentally healthy president.”'"In 26 Years, I've Never Seen Anything Like This" White House Leaks Reportedly Reveal Trump Team Turmoil | Zero HedgeThoughts?
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Eliot Cohen, a senior State Department official under President George W. Bush and a member of his National Security Council.
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I could not possibly care less about the opinions of former Bush or Obama officials. Thus people represent the most butt-hurt individuals in the U.S. today.
 
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NIMBY said:
I suspect the leaks are coming from the Priebus/Pence wing of the admin and their staffers .
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I suspect that there are no leaks at all and the MSM is going all-in on making **** up.
 
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pragmatic said:
Ahem. Reality check time.

Forget "26 years". No one with the behaviors and personality of Donald Trump has ever occupied the White House.

He is a wildcard and a rascal. He makes me a bit nervous. Wish somebody would take his "tweeter" away from him. But judgment of him will come when we start seeing the results of his actions. So far the only really clumsy move he has made was the implementation fiasco with the immigration ban at the borders. Going to have to wait and see how that shakes out.

Otherwise. Going to see what happens over the next few months and then make a determination of what kind of job Trump is doing.



(unless he starts a nuclear war in the meantime: then i'll adjust my schedule accordingly....)
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I understand your sentiments here, but you're overlooking the damage he does with his words, threats, and actions in the meanwhile. We can already see the results: A nervous and fearful country and world, rebelling against him.

Now some may claim that's the price to pay for 'change'. I don't necessarily believe that. We've had Presidents lead in much more dangerous and troubling times than these, and they did their best to calm and lead. Not Trump, though. He's an erratic, petulant, narcissistic man-child, out for himself and defense of his ego. His Ivanka Tweet today using the official White House account shows this glaringly.

I tried to approach him in the manner of realizing those that lead revolts often have personal flaws. But that's far too kind for Trump, IMO. And he's no leader. Greatly flawed, but not enough leadership to make paying the price for the flaws worthwhile.
 
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Excon said:
iLOL

The problem is the one I mentioned, which I believe is recognizing he has a problem. Liberal hold-over employees.
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Trump could point blank shoot someone and folks like yourself would excuse it by saying the other guy got in the way of the bullet. Trump sycophants are an interesting bunch.
 
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Redress said:
You know all the leakers? Got a list of names? Or are you just parroting what Trump said?
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Anything negative about trump or his administration is fake news or it's GOT to be someone else's fault.
 
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