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Bernie Sanders vs. Ted Cruz: CNN Debate

Risky Thicket said:
Yes, Cruz did not answer any direct questions from the audience. He shucked and moved. He would not commit to proving healthcare for pre-existing conditions. He would not answer the question concerning birth control. His "facts" often were not relevant or they we're woefully incomplete.
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The problem with the Republican plan or lack thereof, is that we technically have no answers for that, because too much of the base defaults to slogans: Free market. Pay for it yourself.

Which was a huge problem for us in the 2012 primaries when Ron Paul said he would let someone on their deathbed die because he couldn't afford insurance. We have no answer for that, and we don't want to admit that the only regulatory body that could deal with something like that is the government.
 
Winston said:
I still think that the establishment media got the memo from upstairs.. Destroy Bernie Sanders. Trump we can deal with but, Bernie means a lot of people at the very top are out of work.
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Then I am seeing a very different Bernie that was on the campaign trail, and now seems to be less radical version of himself than you did, but thus is often the case after a hard fought battle that was lost three times over. President, Senate, and his own Presidential Bid. Maybe he's just tired, but people are demanding more of him now than ever before.
 
Chomsky said:
I agree with you 100%.

He reminds me of an unlikeable, adult, Eddie Munster:


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Aw geez, here we go with the "he looks so creepy" superficial nonsense. Oy vey. :roll:
 
ModerateGOP said:
Then I am seeing a very different Bernie that was on the campaign trail, and now seems to be less radical version of himself than you did, but thus is often the case after a hard fought battle that was lost three times over. President, Senate, and his own Presidential Bid. Maybe he's just tired, but people are demanding more of him now than ever before.
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Bernie stuck to his policy and advocated for single payer on national TV. I say Bravo to Bernie for that. I think the tuition free college was a hard sell to America. It is true that other governments don't treat students as profit centers and even cultivate students by investing in them. This is the policy to have, in my view. But, I don't think after 30 years of fighting for progressive policy he's going to back down. Bernie has been a fighter his whole life. He's had to fight both democrats and republicans in his mayoral bid, his house bid, his senate bid, and we just saw his presidential bid.

I agree a lot is being demanded of him now. Democrats are looking at him as having the ear of young people. But, democrats are reluctant to adopt the policies that make him popular. Because they're paid not to.
 
It was nice to see two adults debate as such.

This is what happens when you remove Trump from the equation, adulting. Whether Cruz/Sanders were right or wrong, it was just kind of refreshing to see.

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Just started watching it on youtube. Lol, I am only 15 min in but Cruz pretty much destroyed it already when Bernie tried to bring up profits. When the insurance companies doubled their profits under the ACA, this pretty much lets you know who is really benefiting from ACA.
 
Out of curiosity, Cruz said he was born in Canada. Why was he running for President if he wasn't eligible?
 
Nap said:
Out of curiosity, Cruz said he was born in Canada. Why was he running for President if he wasn't eligible?
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His mother is a U.S. citizen which makes Cruz a natural born citizen.
 
azgreg said:
His mother is a U.S. citizen which makes Cruz a natural born citizen.
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Yeah, after I posted that I started googling. Wouldn't the same have held true for Obama since his mother was a citizen? I understand the intention of being a natural born citizen and all but ultimately I think it should be up to the American people. If Arnold (not even going to attempt to spell) wanted to run for President, and the American people had no issue with his birth then I don't see the issue.
 
MrPeanut said:
The premium increase that we have seen under the ACA is a problem, but the rate it increases is lower than it was prior to the ACA. I don't like Cruz's closing statement where he tries to act like the increases are because of the ACA itself, and not just a factor that they haven't been able to figure out how to fix. It's really dishonest.
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He covered that some during the debate. While some increases are going to occur naturally, a major cause of the increases was due to forcing people to buy coverage that they didn't need. It was also the reason why people were unable to keep the plans they had, since the government mandated that they had to get coverage that the original plans did not cover.
 
countryboy said:
You CANNOT be serious.
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I know, right?

How many times does the failure that is socialism, in its many and varied forms, have to slap somebody in the face hard before they quit turning the other cheek? And with so much optimism? Wow.

IT DOESN'T WORK FOLKS. ANYWHERE. ANYTIME. Anyhow...
 
Moot said:
Just started watching....(edit)....dang, just in time for the closing statements. lol
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Ha ha ha...

Doesn't that just chap your ass... you race, rearrange things to make time, make that something happen then, abruptly, boom, its already over just as you begin to watch.
 
Gaugingcatenate said:
Ha ha ha...

Doesn't that just chap your ass... you race, rearrange things to make time, make that something happen then, abruptly, boom, its already over just as you begin to watch.
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It is on youtube
 
Winston said:
So.. anyone watching the debate on CNN? I'm taping it and I plan on watching later tonight.
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I am watching it and am astounded, how dishonest it is. It goes a long way toward explaining why ACA was so poorly designed. If the arguments are selective and dishonest in things most voters do not have the education nor the time to check, you get a mess.
 
Nap said:
Yeah, after I posted that I started googling. Wouldn't the same have held true for Obama since his mother was a citizen? I understand the intention of being a natural born citizen and all but ultimately I think it should be up to the American people. If Arnold (not even going to attempt to spell) wanted to run for President, and the American people had no issue with his birth then I don't see the issue.
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True. President Obama's mother was American. Therefore, he was American regardless of where he was born. As with most things, the appearance of a cover-up is more damaging than the actual issue.

The issue is only up to the American people if an Amendment is made to the Constitution. The Constitution says the President must be a natural born citizen.

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natsb said:
True. President Obama's mother was American. Therefore, he was American regardless of where he was born. As with most things, the appearance of a cover-up is more damaging than the actual issue.

The issue is only up to the American people if an Amendment is made to the Constitution. The Constitution says the President must be a natural born citizen.

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I understand that, which was why I didn't have any problem with people asking to see a birth certificate for Obama. I was just stating that I personally don't take issue with it.
 
countryboy said:
You CANNOT be serious.
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I am dead serious.

With two competent matched debaters, I cannot see free-market solutions prevailing over a properly implemented single-payer or single-payer hybrid system.

The rest of the world has already proven this, and so have we.
 
Did you see Bernie reading the King letter on the Senate floor today? I'm wondering why he didn't get hit with rule a rule 19 rebuke.

As for lyin Ted, did you hear him say DEMs were 'the party of the KKK', when for instance, the KKK endorsed trump .
Chomsky said:
I am dead serious.

With two competent matched debaters, I cannot see free-market solutions prevailing over a properly implemented single-payer or single-payer hybrid system.

The rest of the world has already proven this, and so have we.
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NIMBY said:
Did you see Bernie reading the King letter on the Senate floor today? I'm wondering why he didn't get hit with rule a rule 19 rebuke.

As for lyin Ted, did you hear him say DEMs were 'the party of the KKK', when for instance, the KKK endorsed trump .
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Sorry, didn't see any of this and still didn't see the debate.
 
Winston said:
So.. anyone watching the debate on CNN? I'm taping it and I plan on watching later tonight.
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Bernie Sanders embarrassed himself and his supporters. First, he was going to defend the indefensible ObamaCare, next he was going to debate Ted Cruz, next he showed up with his full bag of tricks, 3 talking points.
 
Winston said:
Ted Cruz has a hard time connecting with everyday people. His points don't land well with urbanites, younger people, etc. He comes off as too contrived to be the straight talking tea party guy. Just my opinion and I could be off base. But, that's what I observe when listening to Cruz. Kudos to Cruz for debating though.
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Lol !! Sure he does. Cruz has a hard time connecting with impressionable youngsters who buy into the demagoguery that Sanders spews. Sanders really embarrassed himself. Nothing of substance.
 
MrPeanut said:
I understand that personal stories are smart when speaking one on one with someone, but does anyone else watching this find it a completely unconvincing? Shouldn't data be the driving factor in big issues like this?
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Policy shouldn't be made on anecdotes on either side of the aisle. Every time I see those personal stories I just think "outlier".
 
Fenton said:
Lol !! Sure he does. Cruz has a hard time connecting with impressionable youngsters who buy into the demagoguery that Sanders spews. Sanders really embarrassed himself. Nothing of substance.
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Sanders was out of his element. I wasn't that impressed. He made some cogent points but, they were overshadowed by Cruz.


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My one observation of the CNN debate on Obamacare is this:

Ted Cruz argued that Obamacare is failing and needs to be replaced with a free market based health insurance market... Bernie Sanders, in his own words, believes that Obamacare needs to continue as a bridge to Single payer, government run health care.

So, in this debate on the future of Obamacare CNN chose two people who don't believe Obamacare is the solution...

Says all you need to know about Obamacare.
 
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