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Trump Bashes US to Defend Putin

ocean515 said:
BS.

They are excepts. Excerpts the frauds at WaPo have selected. How do you know they are verbatim? Is there a video linked in the article that places the entire conversation in context?

Just more dog whistles for the usual crowd. WaPo is no better than Info Wars. Perhaps they should merge.
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You turned out to be 100% wrong on that one, didn't you. So I guess it was REAL NEWS
 
Risky Thicket said:
That must have been a painful and embarrassing personal discovery for you. :lamo
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trying to say I act like the **** of the walk around here? ;)

Wouldn't be the first... :lol:
 
What a shocker, two dictators think alike. What a shocker, Putin trying to interfere in another election:

French election race marred by gay affair rumours | Daily Mail Online

"The Russian state news agency Sputnik has made allegations that Mr Macron is backed by a homosexual lobby.

They quoted French MP Nicolas Dhuicq, of the conservative Republican Party, saying: ‘Concerning his private life, it is becoming known….He is supported by a rich, gay lobby.’

The interview has prompted fears that Russian President Vladimir Putin is trying to interfere in the French election."


I'm sure Trump will be defending this as well, if any of the media supposedly aligned against him has the guts to press him on it
 
Mustachio said:
You turned out to be 100% wrong on that one, didn't you. So I guess it was REAL NEWS
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No, I was not wrong about the report. Not everything President Trump said was included. I wrote multiple times that people should wait for the actual interview to air, rather than bark at the dog whistles like they've been trained.

Nothing President Trump said was controversial, or wrong.
 
upsideguy said:
There is a lot of real estate between declaring war on Russia and being on your knees servicing Putin. Virtually all US presidents have operated in that portion of real estate that is actually closer to nuclear war than bowing down to Putin.

Until the guy shows small balls and and can stand up to Putin, all evidence to date is that Trump is Putin's puppet. People that think that Trump fears Putin have far more defendable turf than those that think Putin fears Trump.
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There is actually ZERO evidence that Trump is Putins puppet.
 
MaggieD said:
So... answer his question. "Do you think our country is so innocent?"
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No Maggie, I really don't think our country is so innocent. Yet, when I bring up our not so innocent past, like slavery, I get blasted to no end about race cards and get over it nonsense. Now, it will just be the other side blasting me for saying our country is not so innocent. :lol:
 
Several thoughts:

- I do think the MSM is generally biased against Trump and tends to misrepresent what he says. That's partly Trump's fault, since he has chosen to fight with them constantly.

- I thought it was refreshing for a POTUS to admit that our nation does some nasty things for the sake of our national interest. If we're going to get past political correctness and deal with reality, we need to acknowledge what we really do.

- I didn't find that Trump was overly defending Putin, nor equating the US with Russia.

- I agree that conservatives would have crucified Obama for making the same comments as Trump. Conservatives were just as harsh and opposed towards Obama as liberals are now being towards Trump.
 
ocean515 said:
No, I was not wrong about the report. Not everything President Trump said was included. I wrote multiple times that people should wait for the actual interview to air, rather than bark at the dog whistles like they've been trained.

Nothing President Trump said was controversial, or wrong.
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Oh, so the article was "fake" because it didn't include the entire transcript of the interview? They are only allowed to transcribe the entire interview without any other words - or it's totally fake.

That's a sad point of view.
 
Mustachio said:
Oh, so the article was "fake" because it didn't include the entire transcript of the interview? They are only allowed to transcribe the entire interview without any other words - or it's totally fake.

That's a sad point of view.
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Without context, there is nothing but dog whistles. The left's MSM partners perfected that art during the election cycle.

Wouldn't you rather know the whole thing, than prove you jump to dog whistles?

You're choice, but I prefer to wait for the whole story, not the one someone is trying to feed me.
 
MaggieD said:
So... answer his question. "Do you think our country is so innocent?"
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Do you think that political assassinations are the moral equivalent of military ventures?
 
ocean515 said:
Without context, there is nothing but dog whistles. The left's MSM partners perfected that art during the election cycle.

Wouldn't you rather know the whole thing, than prove you jump to dog whistles?

You're choice, but I prefer to wait for the whole story, not the one someone is trying to feed me.
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I don't know about that Ocean... after all you seem to have no problem attacking all "leftists" whenever a window gets broken at a protest. You don't seem too interested in the "whole story" or "context" when it comes to painting the political opposition with your broad brush.
 
RickJames3000 said:
I don't know about that Ocean... after all you seem to have no problem attacking all "leftists" whenever a window gets broken at a protest. You don't seem too interested in the "whole story" or "context" when it comes to painting the political opposition with your broad brush.
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What is there to know? When a window gets broken?

The whole story is that a large group of Fascist students sought to violate the Constitutional rights of another group, and the result was violent and destructive.

What part of that story did I miss, or misrepresent?

I don't jump on stories from "right biased" media regarding the usual liberal/socialist progressive people. That is especially the case when the accusation seems outrageous or extreme. I get it, click bait.

I certainly apply the same approach when catching the never ending click bait from the left's MSM partners. For the most part, they aren't even trying to appear objective anymore.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Do you think that political assassinations are the moral equivalent of military ventures?
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I think dead is dead.

I'll also say that I have no idea whether Putin has ordered anyone assassinated. I also have no idea whether or not our OWN country has ordered or facilitated assassinations. And neither does anyone else outside of those involved. One has to be incredibly naive to think we are some moral crusaders who always play fair.

And further, I'll answer your question directly. I think more than a few of our recent "military ventures" were immoral.
 
ocean515 said:
What is there to know? When a window gets broken?

The whole story is that a large group of Fascist students sought to violate the Constitutional rights of another group, and the result was violent and destructive.

What part of that story did I miss, or misrepresent?

I don't jump on stories from "right biased" media regarding the usual liberal/socialist progressive people. That is especially the case when the accusation seems outrageous or extreme. I get it, click bait.

I certainly apply the same approach when catching the never ending click bait from the left's MSM partners. For the most part, they aren't even trying to appear objective anymore.
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The problem is that you had no idea who those who committed vandalism actually were. You were responding to "dog whistles" emanating from the rightwing media, despite incomplete information... just like you are accusing others of doing in response to the issue in this thread.
 
LessBiased? said:
Several thoughts:

- I do think the MSM is generally biased against Trump and tends to misrepresent what he says. That's partly Trump's fault, since he has chosen to fight with them constantly.

- I thought it was refreshing for a POTUS to admit that our nation does some nasty things for the sake of our national interest. If we're going to get past political correctness and deal with reality, we need to acknowledge what we really do.

- I didn't find that Trump was overly defending Putin, nor equating the US with Russia.

- I agree that conservatives would have crucified Obama for making the same comments as Trump. Conservatives were just as harsh and opposed towards Obama as liberals are now being towards Trump.
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While I find your take on the matter to be acceptable, I have one issue with #3. Defending Putin is, in itself, overly defending Putin.

And it's a bizarre issue. Putin campaigned for Trump. Hacked the DNC and helped Trump get elected. Trump did the right thing and said he disavows the KKK and David Duke and doesn't want their support. He needed to do the same here. "Are we so innocent?" was a stupid line. As a country we have killed innocent people to take down a Bin Laden or an Anwar Al-Awlaki. But when was the last time a sitting President murder somebody via acute radiation poisoning? The two have ties and we don't know what they are. This question and answer have nothing to do with moral subjectivity, they have to do with the confusing - and seeming cozy - relationship between a man who must have the highest standards of morality and a murderer.
 
Mustachio said:
While I find your take on the matter to be acceptable, I have one issue with #3. Defending Putin is, in itself, overly defending Putin.

And it's a bizarre issue. Putin campaigned for Trump. Hacked the DNC and helped Trump get elected. Trump did the right thing and said he disavows the KKK and David Duke and doesn't want their support. He needed to do the same here. "Are we so innocent?" was a stupid line. As a country we have killed innocent people to take down a Bin Laden or an Anwar Al-Awlaki. But when was the last time a sitting President murder somebody via acute radiation poisoning? The two have ties and we don't know what they are. This question and answer have nothing to do with moral subjectivity, they have to do with the confusing - and seeming cozy - relationship between a man who must have the highest standards of morality and a murderer.
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I don't think Trump cares much about morality. He seems to see the world in sharply competitive terms, his team is the US, he wants the US to win (largely measured economically), and he's willing to do whatever it takes to win, including exploiting power over others, stepping on toes, burning bridges, etc. It's fairly 'realpolitik', and I'm kind of surprised I haven't seen that term being used more often, considering the tack Trump has been taking.

The more I think about it, the more I suspect that Trump is driven by an inner sense of inadequacy and insecurity, and a view that life is largely a bleak zero-sum game.
 
LessBiased? said:
I don't think Trump cares much about morality. He seems to see the world in sharply competitive terms, his team is the US, he wants the US to win (largely measured economically), and he's willing to do whatever it takes to win, including exploiting power over others, stepping on toes, burning bridges, etc. It's fairly 'realpolitik', and I'm kind of surprised I haven't seen that term being used more often, considering the tack Trump has been taking.

The more I think about it, the more I suspect that Trump is driven by an inner sense of inadequacy and insecurity, and a view that life is largely a bleak zero-sum game.
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I appreciate the objectivity of your post. Not enough of that going around here. We largely agree, but I'd like to add that I genuinely hope that he wants America to win not just "deals" but friendship and loyalty, which is what his policies desperately lack and need. His obsession with "deals" reminds me of my grandfather, who was a used car salesman. A very good one. I always wondered if the "deals" were to benefit his family or just to feel superior.
 
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