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Its' time to start calling out the leaders on the left about the violent protests

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Just sent the following message to Sen. Ron Wyden:
Would you consider making a public statement denouncing the use of violence by the people at places like Berkeley and NYU this week? We have heard almost nothing from any Dem. leaders about this abuse of our right to protest and a lot of long time Oregonians (I've lived here for over 50 years) are wondering why there is NO voice from the Democratic Party addressing this violence. For many of us, we are starting to wonder if the old saying among referees "What you allow, you promote." is becoming the standard that being pursued. We need calm intelligent conversation and these people who are using violence are harming our ability to have that conversation. There are issues that need addressing and this kind of thing costing people from the progressive side of the political spectrum the credibility to be a part of that conversation. If these kind of protests continue, there will start be to efforts to stop all protests. I was raised with the idea that our rights are sacred, but that if you abuse, them tend to lose them. Sen Wyden, it's time to take a stand either in support of this kind of violence or against it and silence is support.
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I'd like to suggest that we all take the time to send out a similar message to all our Democratic Governors, Senators and Representatives and see if they will take a stand against the violence.
 
I don't see any reason to confuse anarchist groups as the Democratic party, but I'm not opposed to people in the party saying something about it. Violence is never the answer, and the Democratic party should not only come out against violence, but also explain that the groups that infiltrate these protests do not represent them.
 
MrPeanut said:
I don't see any reason to confuse anarchist groups as the Democratic party, but I'm not opposed to people in the party saying something about it. Violence is never the answer, and the Democratic party should not only come out against violence, but also explain that the groups that infiltrate these protests do not represent them.
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Do you think it's important for Muslims in general to speak out about Salafist head choppers? Was it important for Catholics to speak out about rapist priests? Is it important for the pro life crowd to condemn abortion clinic bombers?

It's all part of the same game, bro. You don't get a pass just because you're a Democrat.
 
faithful_servant said:
Just sent the following message to Sen. Ron Wyden:


I'd like to suggest that we all take the time to send out a similar message to all our Democratic Governors, Senators and Representatives and see if they will take a stand against the violence.
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Something I saw in my email this morning
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faithful_servant said:
Just sent the following message to Sen. Ron Wyden:


I'd like to suggest that we all take the time to send out a similar message to all our Democratic Governors, Senators and Representatives and see if they will take a stand against the violence.
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Do you assume that the Democratic lawmakers enjoy it when anarchists like the Black Bloc burn school buildings on public campuses?

Did every Republican lawmaker in this country get pressured to make a public statement the last time an abortion clinic was bombed? The answer is no, because the Republican party isn't responsible for that. Nor is the Democratic party responsible for radical anarchists.

And it really isn't fair to pin this on them, and I don't even like them.
 
tres borrachos said:
Do you assume that the Democratic lawmakers enjoy it when anarchists like the Black Bloc burn school buildings on public campuses?

Did every Republican lawmaker in this country get pressured to make a public statement the last time an abortion clinic was bombed? The answer is no, because the Republican party isn't responsible for that. Nor is the Democratic party responsible for radical anarchists.

And it really isn't fair to pin this on them, and I don't even like them.
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But how are they going to justify a crack-down on free speech if they can't blame Democrats? Trump's agenda is hated by many and he does nothing to modify it or even acknowledge legal dissent. The answer is a dialogue with his detractors not indignation and attempting to tar all dissenters with the same violent brush.
 
Lutherf said:
Do you think it's important for Muslims in general to speak out about Salafist head choppers? Was it important for Catholics to speak out about rapist priests? Is it important for the pro life crowd to condemn abortion clinic bombers?

It's all part of the same game, bro. You don't get a pass just because you're a Democrat.
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Anarchists aren't Democrats. Your examples would be more accurate if you assumed Baptists had to apologize for Catholic priests.
 
MrPeanut said:
Anarchists aren't Democrats. Your examples would be more accurate if you assumed Baptists had to apologize for Catholic priests.
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The ****ers are showing up at your protests so you'll either deny them or own them.
 
Lutherf said:
Do you think it's important for Muslims in general to speak out about Salafist head choppers? Was it important for Catholics to speak out about rapist priests? Is it important for the pro life crowd to condemn abortion clinic bombers?

It's all part of the same game, bro. You don't get a pass just because you're a Democrat.
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I don't think you... quite understand what anarchists are.

They're not "leftists." Actually, they can't stand what they call "liblefties" and consider them to be appeasers, and thus part of the opposition. They disagree on the most basic fundamentals of politics like, for example, whether governments should even exist.

Priests are just Catholics with power, so there is no difference between them really. I'd be satisfied if the anti-abortion just stopped DEFENDING clinic bombers, quite honestly (which they do constantly). And Muslims in general speak out against Islamic terrorists constantly. They're our greatest counter-terror allies and provide us with practically all of our info, actually.

Liberals and anarchists, however, don't even hang out in the same universe. The latter probably has more in common with a libertarian, quite frankly (though they're still quite different).

Anarchism are to liberalism as monarchism is to conservatism. They are technically on the same side of the overly-simplistic 2D political spectrum, but they are so different as to be completely incompatible with each other. In fact, one is often considered the enemy of the other.

Now, tell me, do you think the GOP needs to assume responsibility for monarchists? They do still exist, you know.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Do you assume that the Democratic lawmakers enjoy it when anarchists like the Black Bloc burn school buildings on public campuses?

Did every Republican lawmaker in this country get pressured to make a public statement the last time an abortion clinic was bombed? The answer is no, because the Republican party isn't responsible for that. Nor is the Democratic party responsible for radical anarchists.

And it really isn't fair to pin this on them, and I don't even like them.
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Well, there this:
“We have seen demonstrations — and I think you already talked about that — around the country. Young people at Berkeley protesting against this unconstitutional order. And I heard it say earlier that we need to get involved on the local and state level. But what concerns me is that the strain that has been placed on local government, particularly local law enforcement dealing with an order that is unjust and proper. And so as we encourage our young people to get involved — I thought it was a beautiful site — as we encourage people to get involved, what direction and instructions and how can we have a more organized effort so that they can be a major tool in moving our agenda forward? Anyone who feels that they can answer this question?
Thank you.”
VIDEO: Democrat Congresswoman Val Demings Says Violent Riots At UC Berkeley Were A “BEAUTIFUL SIGHT�
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Just wow. Unbelievable. Riots (for leftist causes) are 'a beautiful sight'.
WTF she been smokin' ?
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I there a Just Giving page for the victims of the Bowling Green Massacre?
 
faithful_servant said:
Its' time to start calling out the leaders on the left about the violent protests
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Have you called out "the leaders on the right" whenever someone on the right commits an act of violence?
 
Mr Person said:
Have you called out "the leaders on the right" whenever someone on the right commits an act of violence?
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Is anyone on the "right" attempting to disrupt speech on college campuses?
 
MrPeanut said:
I don't see any reason to confuse anarchist groups as the Democratic party, but I'm not opposed to people in the party saying something about it. Violence is never the answer, and the Democratic party should not only come out against violence, but also explain that the groups that infiltrate these protests do not represent them.
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Too many Democrats offered support for resistance and non-support. They may not have encouraged violence but that tends to be a natural outcome of disrespect for the outcome of an election. And too many in the media who operate as Democrats with a byline (and often related to Democrat politicians) have encourages insubordination. I am not giving them a pass until I hear louder voice of condemnation and see legitimate opposition political. (That means not simply boycotting but arguing the case)
 
Lutherf said:
The ****ers are showing up at your protests so you'll either deny them or own them.
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In my first post I said that the Democrats should openly condemn the violence and make it clear that anarchist groups are not part of the party. You responded with a few poor analogies, including one about Catholics and pedophile priests, that I thought were dishonest. Anarchist groups are not a part of the Democratic party any more than Neo-Nazis are an official wing of the Republican party. I'm sorry if it hurt your feelings.
 
Eric7216 said:
Too many Democrats offered support for resistance and non-support. They may not have encouraged violence but that tends to be a natural outcome of disrespect for the outcome of an election. And too many in the media who operate as Democrats with a byline (and often related to Democrat politicians) have encourages insubordination. I am not giving them a pass until I hear louder voice of condemnation and see legitimate opposition political. (That means not simply boycotting but arguing the case)
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Anarchists don't have to follow what the Democratic party says or does. I agree they should openly condemn them, but I also understand that there were different groups at this protest. I don't automatically lump college kids in with organized Anarchist groups.
 
faithful_servant said:
Just sent the following message to Sen. Ron Wyden: I'd like to suggest that we all take the time to send out a similar message to all our Democratic Governors, Senators and Representatives and see if they will take a stand against the violence.
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Mr Person said:
Have you called out "the leaders on the right" whenever someone on the right commits an act of violence?
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AlabamaPaul said:
Is anyone on the "right" attempting to disrupt speech on college campuses?
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You seem to be missing the point with flying colors (deliberately).

I am sick of seeing conservative posters on DP blaming the entire left - 160,000,000 people - for the actions of one or a few leftists. That's bad enough. It's doubly bad when the same people never do the same about the right.








Would it be fair to say that Dylan Roof represents all conservatives?

That the people who took over a wildlife refuge with armed force do?

That the people who pointed weapons at federal agents to defend someone who squatted on public property do?

Of course not. So enough of these profanely dishonest threads.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Is anyone on the "right" attempting to disrupt speech on college campuses?
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There's a chap in Quebec, a Trumpee, who violently disrupted six peoples' speech on a permanent basis. Any deprecations from the right?
 
Manc Skipper said:
There's a chap in Quebec, a Trumpee, who violently disrupted six peoples' speech on a permanent basis. Any deprecations from the right?
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I believe both sides equally condemn those instances. What else ya got?
 
Lutherf said:
The ****ers are showing up at your protests so you'll either deny them or own them.
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Because you make sure to scrupulously call out every last misbehaving conservative in the country, eh?




Enough of these despicably dishonest posts. Conservatives don't own the actions of other conservatives either. Stop playing these worthless games.
 
MrPeanut said:
In my first post I said that the Democrats should openly condemn the violence and make it clear that anarchist groups are not part of the party. You responded with a few poor analogies, including one about Catholics and pedophile priests, that I thought were dishonest. Anarchist groups are not a part of the Democratic party any more than Neo-Nazis are an official wing of the Republican party. I'm sorry if it hurt your feelings.
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Well then, you might want to take a look at why those jokers show up at your rallies and not events like the March for Life or Rolling Thunder.
 
Mr Person said:
Because you make sure to scrupulously call out every last misbehaving conservative in the country, eh?




Enough of these despicably dishonest posts. Conservatives don't own the actions of other conservatives either. Stop playing these worthless games.
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When is the last time a conservative protest event turned into a riot?

Hell, when was the last conservative protest event?
 
Lutherf said:
When is the last time a conservative protest event turned into a riot?

Hell, when was the last conservative protest event?
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Well, there is the Tea Party, but they clean up after themselves...
 
Lutherf said:
Well then, you might want to take a look at why those jokers show up at your rallies and not events like the March for Life or Rolling Thunder.
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They are Anarchists. In other words they are anti-fascists. It's not my fault they view modern anti-right protests as an opportunity to try and make a statement. Either way they are a bunch of idiots, and I already agreed that Democrats should make it clear they are not part of the Democratic party.
 
Lutherf said:
Well then, you might want to take a look at why those jokers show up at your rallies and not events like the March for Life or Rolling Thunder.
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Greetings, Lutherf. :2wave:

Great post! :thumbs: Thank you! Always awesome to see them arrive anywhere! Yep!
 
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