47 Muslim majority countries in the world.

If the title of the thread wasn't obvious that's how many Muslim countries are in the world. 47. This does not include various Muslim States that are in the world also. (and no, when I say "States" I'm not talking about States like what is in the US) I am linking to this and showing it because throughout the forum I have continually heard the claim that Trump only banned those countries because he had no business dealings in them. If this is true then perhaps you can go through all these countries and prove to me that he has business dealings in all of the other 40 countries that are predominately Muslim. It would stand to reason that if what is claimed is true then there are no other Muslim dominated countries which are Trump business free. So, please feel free to show at least one Trump owned business in all these other 40 countries.

Kal'Stang said:

If the title of the thread wasn't obvious that's how many Muslim countries are in the world. 47. This does not include various Muslim States that are in the world also. (and no, when I say "States" I'm not talking about States like what is in the US) I am linking to this and showing it because throughout the forum I have continually heard the claim that Trump only banned those countries because he had no business dealings in them. If this is true then perhaps you can go through all these countries and prove to me that he has business dealings in all of the other 40 countries that are predominately Muslim. It would stand to reason that if what is claimed is true then there are no other Muslim dominated countries which are Trump business free. So, please feel free to show at least one Trump owned business in all these other 40 countries.

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Just from a basic search I found that some of his things were made in Bangladesh. I'm sure there are other countries as well.

Trump shirts were made in China, Bangladesh, Honduras and Vietnam. PolitiFact Virginia found some Trump sport coats made in India. The Clinton campaign pointed to import data from 2007 that showed a Trump men’s shirt shipment marked as made in South Korea.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/26/how-many-trump-products-were-made-overseas-heres-the-complete-list/?utm_term=.08e0a2ce5973

I don't think he set up the ban around the countries he did business with. Seems like a list of countries that have serious problems with Radical Islam at the moment.

I get what you're saying.


But why isn't Saudi Arabia on that list?

That sounds like an awful lot of work Kal, how bout you do it for us. Since it's your point you are trying to make. And while your at it, research how many Doctors and professionals of Muslim faith from countries not affected are already considering not renewing their visa's or seeking jobs here. And what ramifications on some of our higher education requirement industries that rely on foreign labour (because American's don't need no education when they can vote for Trump to save their coal jobs...) will be. Then research the likelihood of all those other muslim countries becoming more cold to the US, because by all appearances radical Christianity (even though Trump isn't a radical Christian, he does pander to them) is now in control of our Government. And soon a Christian Creationist will be in charge of our Education system.

Now I get that these countries have little or weak government's unable to confirm their vetting process. I get that. And if that were how it came out packaged, with allowances made for those that need allowances. I wouldn't give one rat's ass. But it's not how they packaged it. They shouted 9/11 a bunch and then put a travel ban on countries that had nothing to do with 9/11. While ignoring those that did, the reason doesn't matter why they ignored countries that have actually produced terrorists. They ignored them, that's what matters. And they left good, honest people that they promised wouldn't be affected during the campaign, out in the cold. And I suspect it was to block refugees, because Trump's more xenophobic followers are just terrified of Muslim refugees.

If you are ok with that, that's on you. But the more you explain away, the easier it will be for them to get away with worse and worse things. Until your explaining away true atrocities, unable to face your own complicitous role in bringing them about.

But hey with Trump as President, maybe we will stop siphoning off the educated people from all these Muslim Countries that the ban doesn't affect. People who are afraid to commit to a long endeavor in the United States that could end up like what we are seeing.

Show of hands, who has ever had a Muslim Doctor? Now imagine if that doctor chose to not renew their visa and move to Canada or some other country just as willing to take them. And just as short on doctors. It's silly to think educated Muslims are dependent on American Jobs.

You see these are factors to consider when deciding policy like this. Trump and his "A" Team did not even seem aware of the factors, let alone consider them. Whatever fault you find with how the media portrays his latest blunder is unimportant. What is important, is what ramifications this will have. And everyone acknowledging this doesn't (and it obviously doesn't) ban all muslims, won't do a damn thing. It's a distraction argument keeping us from focusing on the **** up. Nothing more.

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That sounds like an awful lot of work Kal, how bout you do it for us. Since it's your point you are trying to make.

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Because I'm not the one making such a statement. As such its not my job to prove it. And if you can't be bothered to back up the claim you hold to because it's an "awful lot of work" then you're obviously just parroting words that you hear.

Rest of your post is irrelevant to what I asked for. Which was proof of the claim made by those attempting to attribute something to Trump that they have absolutely no proof of (as you just demonstrated) and as such is using it just as a smear tactic.

KevinKohler said:

I get what you're saying.


But why isn't Saudi Arabia on that list?

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Ask Obama why it wasn't on the list that Trump went by. You'll have your answer.

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Because I'm not the one making such a statement. As such its not my job to prove it. And if you can't be bothered to back up the claim you hold to because it's an "awful lot of work" then you're obviously just parroting words that you hear.

Rest of your post is irrelevant to what I asked for. Which was proof of the claim made by those attempting to attribute something to Trump that they have absolutely no proof of (as you just demonstrated) and as such is using it just as a smear tactic.

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I can tell you didn't read the whole thing, lol. Last paragraph.

"Whatever fault you find with how the media portrays his latest blunder is unimportant. What is important, is what ramifications this will have. And everyone acknowledging this doesn't (and it obviously doesn't) ban all muslims, won't do a damn thing. It's a distraction argument keeping us from focusing on the **** up. Nothing more."

And then this portion. Which talks about a legitimate reason for banning travel from these countries for ninety days.

"Now I get that these countries have little or weak government's unable to confirm their vetting process. I get that. And if that were how it came out packaged, with allowances made for those that need allowances. I wouldn't give one rat's ass. But it's not how they packaged it. They shouted 9/11 a bunch and then put a travel ban on countries that had nothing to do with 9/11."

So I acknowledge the media's bias in this, that it isn't a ban on muslims, that there is a legite reason, and you're saying it's irrelevant? Why because I criticized your lazy attempt at making a stupid point I'd expect Orly to be making?

Your slippin Kal. And I mean that as a friend.

KevinKohler said:

I get what you're saying.


But why isn't Saudi Arabia on that list?

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Are you aware of the Religious Doctrine, in the Koran, about the special Status granted by the Holy, infaliable word, of the Koran, ... the special status granted to the King of Saudi Arabia?


If you do too much to the Saudi Royals, you risk setting off ALL muslims everywhere.


It is not fair. It gives them a free hand to break any law, violate any border, support any criminal or terrorist organization...


But it is written into their holy text.


It would be like Spain being declared in the Bible, as the leader country of all of Christianity, and the Christian People every where will unanimously rise up in violence if anyone were to attack Spain.


The Royal House of Saud is a special case, diplomatically.


I agree they're bad... but....

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ThoughtEx. said:

I can tell you didn't read the whole thing, lol. Last paragraph.

"Whatever fault you find with how the media portrays his latest blunder is unimportant. What is important, is what ramifications this will have. And everyone acknowledging this doesn't (and it obviously doesn't) ban all muslims, won't do a damn thing. It's a distraction argument keeping us from focusing on the **** up. Nothing more."

And then this portion. Which talks about a legitimate reason for banning travel from these countries for ninety days.

"Now I get that these countries have little or weak government's unable to confirm their vetting process. I get that. And if that were how it came out packaged, with allowances made for those that need allowances. I wouldn't give one rat's ass. But it's not how they packaged it. They shouted 9/11 a bunch and then put a travel ban on countries that had nothing to do with 9/11."

So I acknowledge the media's bias in this, that it isn't a ban on muslims, that there is a legite reason, and you're saying it's irrelevant? Why because I criticized your lazy attempt at making a stupid point I'd expect Orly to be making?

Your slippin Kal. And I mean that as a friend.

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You're right, I didn't read the whole thing. Just glanced over it and saw that it didn't really address my question at all and dismissed it. Since I'm focusing on one specific aspect of this whole affair I see no need to distract from the point I'm making with other points. I'm doing this because I want to force others to acknowledge that that particular statement is nothing more than a smear tactic. I might address your points in other threads as they come up. But in this particular thread I'm focusing on one point in particular. Because I'm tired of reading/hearing about it everywhere I go.

His ban is still a Muslim ban.

Kal'Stang said:

Ask Obama why it wasn't on the list that Trump went by. You'll have your answer.

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I get that, too. But Obama ain't president. Obama was heavily criticized for his constant kowtowing to the Saudi royals.

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His ban is still a Muslim ban.

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You are quite wrong, alas. Anyway it is only temporary, unlike the permanent bans that many Islamic countries on entry by Israeli passport holders. Have you been protesting about the latter?

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I get that, too. But Obama ain't president. Obama was heavily criticized for his constant kowtowing to the Saudi royals.

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Regardless of whether Obama is president or not. Trump went by a list compiled while Obama was President. As such why Saudi Arabia isn't on that list needs to be asked from those that compiled the list. At least Trump went by a list that was compiled by reputable sources instead of just shooting from the hip.

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His ban is still a Muslim ban.

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This thread isn't about that particular aspect. This thread is about the claim that those that are anti-trump folks have made about Trump not banning other countries due to business dealings. But I think I will address your point in another thread. Gimmie a few.