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Obama’s Protections for L.G.B.T. Workers Will Remain Under Trump

Chomsky said:
I think what we're seeing with Trump, is the guy is sticking to his ideologies and prejudices. Which is actually kinda' refreshing.

Of course it's better for those that agree with his ideologies and prejudices, than those that don't. But I'm happy to see he's meeting with Big Pharma.
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But as I see it, President Trump is not the least bit bound by partisanship or ideologies, and the only prejudices he seems to have are directed at people who intend their fellow man and/or the USA no good. So do I share his ideology? He doesn't seem to be ideological whereas I do have an ideology of sorts. Do I share his prejudices? Absolutely.

Do I support everything he has said or proposed? No way. But I sure as heck am going to defend those things I can support.

And yes, it is good that he is meeting with EVERYBODY, including big pharma--all the various groups including those we support and those we oppose or have problems with. He is going to be a different kind of President not bound by the status quo demands of the permanent political class or the political correctness police.

And that is refreshing.
 
Good for Trump.

I am a Trump critic, but I don't label him. I disagree with many of his views and I think he has so far created more chaos than any real positive results. Where I agree with him, I hope he succeeds. Just like any other President.
 
Visbek said:
I don't recall a lot of accusations about homophobia.



You can't be serious.



OK. Deep breath and....

He's completely incompetent and/or deliberately destructive to the social fabric of our society. He disrespects women, minorities, Mexican nationals, China and Chinese nationals. He thinks sexual assault and cheating on his pregnant wife are acceptable. He is a thin-skinned, misogynistic, divisive, egotistical, megalomaniacal rentier who rips off vendors at the drop of a hat, wouldn't acknowledge a conflict of interest if it bit his legs, has no understanding whatsoever of the functioning of government or diplomacy or negotiations. He is either a pathological liar, or rampant fabricator of falsehoods, to the point where he is living in a world of his own construction. He doesn't understand military policy (including the Nuclear Triad), economics, the effects of border policies, the perception of the US abroad, the criminal justice system, or pretty much anything he needs to know to perform his duties properly. He's a textbook case of the Dunning-Kruger Effect, and is deeply unfit to be President.

Oh, and he most likely isn't a homophobe.

Whew, I feel better now. Aren't you glad you asked for some honesty? :mrgreen:
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OMG, we had all better give our souls to God now because we are doomed! Doomed! Doomed! Run for your lives people. This terrible person is going to destroy us all.

Honestly, hyperbole much? The depths of irrational hatred from the left still somehow continues to amaze me. But oh well. The First Amendment certainly gets a workout when it is a Republican who manages to win an election. I didn't think it possible to exceed the hateful venom spewed at President George W. Bush. But by golly ya'll all had even more in you to spew at President Trump.
 
Social Conservatives, especially southeastern, will naturally freak out.

Which should entertain the rest of us.
 
AlbqOwl said:
But as I see it, President Trump is not the least bit bound by partisanship or ideologies, and the only prejudices he seems to have are directed at people who intend their fellow man and/or the USA no good. So do I share his ideology? He doesn't seem to be ideological whereas I do have an ideology of sorts. Do I share his prejudices? Absolutely.

Do I support everything he has said or proposed? No way. But I sure as heck am going to defend those things I can support.

And yes, it is good that he is meeting with EVERYBODY, including big pharma--all the various groups including those we support and those we oppose or have problems with. He is going to be a different kind of President not bound by the status quo demands of the permanent political class or the political correctness police.

And that is refreshing.
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Actually, I agree with you in his being (relatively) free from "external" ideologies.

When I used "ideologies" earlier, I was more accurately referring to his "own internal compass", if that makes sense?

(and pls note I used "refreshing" in my erlier post too, which for me is a pretty good compliment towards the guy! ;))
 
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On the other hand, Pence does not respect them. The religious right does not respect them. Listening to Pence, Trump's nominees to the SCOTUS will be a gift to the religious right.

Words vs. Actions. The actions are just beginning.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Funny how the same Cons who criticized Obama about this workplace order and were/are 100% for the GOP's war against the LGBTQ community are now slapping Trump on the back and praising him for leaving the order in place.

Fascinating what politics will do to people.
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But I'm sure the Fundamentalist Christian crowd isn't very happy about this.
 
TheGoverness said:
Pat Robertson's probably crying right now.
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Either that or looking for the next natural disaster to blame on God's wrath because of gays, lesbians, whoever else.
 
Porkuloss said:
On the other hand, Pence does not respect them. The religious right does not respect them. Listening to Pence, Trump's nominees to the SCOTUS will be a gift to the religious right.

Words vs. Actions. The actions are just beginning.
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Yep, over the past 10 years or so the GOP has taken a very hard turn to the right on social issues. And the war and attack on Gay rights has been near the top of their far right social agenda.

For anyone to believe that just because Trump said he'll leave this order alone and that's the end of the GOP's attacks on Gay rights is being naive. There's a ton of ways the GOP can, and will do an end round around this order, and others.
 
TheGoverness said:
But I'm sure the Fundamentalist Christian crowd isn't very happy about this.
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I'm sure they're not, and as I said above, this isn't over. I doubt VERY much the Religious right and the Fundy's are going to drop this. They've been hating on this gay issue for too long to give it up now.
 
Lutherf said:
There is no GOP war against the gay community and never has been.
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Seriously?

Is your memory really that bad?

Conservative and hard-right evangelical groups have long fought against gay rights, and the normalization / mainstreaming of LGBT conduct. Many Republicans were and still are a willing part of that fight, including rejection of civil rights laws protecting LGBT; same-sex adoptions; same-sex marriage; throwing gay soldiers out of the military; any education on LGBT issues; spitting venom over Obergefell and other SCOTUS rulings; the list goes on.

Democrats weren't always the most advanced supporters. Bill Clinton tried to allow gay soldiers to serve only, but strenuous military and conservative pushback resulted in the awful DADT policies. He and other Dems also signed DOMA. However, there is really no question that Republicans were far more strenuously opposed to gay rights.

Trump himself didn't say much on the issue. I see little indication it had much of an effect on the election.
 
faithful_servant said:
This can't be!! Pres Trump is homophobe!! We got the memo from the DNC telling us he was anti-homosexual. This has to be a lie from the kremlin's basement of the alt-right.

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yeesh.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Can I just say how depressing it is that 45 is so awful that his supporters feel compelled to go, "SEE?! He's not a TOTAL bigot, just mostly! Why are you guys being so mean to him just because he's a bigot on everything else?"
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That's one way to look at it. For my part, I simply think that when the President does something that is beneficial for the nation and his constituents, he should get credit for it.

It doesn't change my opinion about other policies (obviously, see above post). But when someone does something right, then even if I oppose them on every other point, I see no value in arguing that it's wrong.


Can I also just remind everyone that Pence is one of the most homophobic people in American politics, and supports the use of "conversion therapy"/torture on non-consenting minors, and he is for all intents and purposes the brains behind the upper executive?
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At the risk of going off-topic....

I don't think Pence is running things. I suspect he will be one of the fixers. More likely is that Trump is setting up wars in the top levels of the executive branch, with Bannon on one side and Priebus on the other.
 
Well...that is good.

But I do not think he deserves praise for it.

Why should someone be given praise for doing the right thing?

I don't give a cop credit for not shooting me as I casually walk by him/her. Or the waitress for not spitting in my soup as she serves it to me.

Why should Trump get credit for doing something that should come under the 'well duh' title? If he had done anything else, he would be a scumbag.


Once again, I despise both parties.
 
Visbek said:
That's one way to look at it. For my part, I simply think that when the President does something that is beneficial for the nation and his constituents, he should get credit for it.

It doesn't change my opinion about other policies (obviously, see above post). But when someone does something right, then even if I oppose them on every other point, I see no value in arguing that it's wrong.
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I'm not arguing that he's wrong. I just don't think someone deserves a head pat for managing to achieve the bare minimum of human decency on only one out of 20 different issues. He's not even doing anything -- just saying he won't repeal something that someone ELSE did.

I'm not going to give him a cookie for that. That's just a bunch of nothing. I don't see why I should reward someone for doing literally nothing.

At the risk of going off-topic....

I don't think Pence is running things. I suspect he will be one of the fixers. More likely is that Trump is setting up wars in the top levels of the executive branch, with Bannon on one side and Priebus on the other.
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I don't know, I think he may wind up being more important than we currently predict, once the cabinet gets a feel of the ebb and flow of things. Pence may wind up be strategically important in leading 45 to do what he wants him to do, because, well, he's so easy to provoke. And while I do believe that Trump doesn't really have a problem with gay people, I also believe he'll sign whatever's put in front of him if he thinks it'll win him "ratings," and that includes anti-LGBT legislation. He may not have a problem with them, but he also doesn't have much of an ethical compass.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Yep, over the past 10 years or so the GOP has taken a very hard turn to the right on social issues. And the war and attack on Gay rights has been near the top of their far right social agenda.

For anyone to believe that just because Trump said he'll leave this order alone and that's the end of the GOP's attacks on Gay rights is being naive. There's a ton of ways the GOP can, and will do an end round around this order, and others.
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I'm living in the midst of them now. They have an agenda - legislate their religious beliefs.
 
AlbqOwl said:
OMG, we had all better give our souls to God now because we are doomed! Doomed! Doomed! Run for your lives people. This terrible person is going to destroy us all.

Honestly, hyperbole much?
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lol

I love how you accuse me of hyperbole by... exaggerating my position. Oh, the irony

That said, notice I did not say that he was going to leave the US in a molten smoking ruin. I do think he's going to cause a lot of damage to our economy, our standing abroad, the economic condition of the working class, the environment and more. But no, I don't think the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are on the horizon.

Nor do I think I engaged in hyperbole. Seriously, it was obvious years before he announced that he'd be deeply unfit for office, and his first 2 weeks in office have done nothing to show otherwise.


The depths of irrational hatred from the left still somehow continues to amaze me.
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I assure you, to the extent such a thing is possible, my hatred is quite rational. It's based entirely on his conduct, and on many of the policies he's promised, and the handful he's enacted. It's not based on rumors or fabrications, it's based on the best available facts.

And again, when he does something right -- such as respecting LGBT rights -- I don't smack him for it anyway. If he does something right, then I have no problem giving him credit for it.
 
DA60 said:
Well...that is good.

But I do not think he deserves praise for it.

Why should someone be given praise for doing the right thing?

I don't give a cop credit for not shooting me as I casually walk by him/her. Or the waitress for not spitting in my soup as she serves it to me.

Why should Trump get credit for doing something that should come under the 'well duh' title? If he had done anything else, he would be a scumbag.


Once again, I despise both parties.
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Exactly. Common decency and respect for the American right to liberty used to just be an expectation of the president. Now we're supposed to reward him for it?
 
Visbek said:
If he does something right, then I have no problem giving him credit for it.
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Well you're already way a head and much more mature than most of Cons in the country, and some right on this site who would NEVER, EVER give Obama an ounce of credit anything he did, no matter how good.

The Cons who hated on Obama for 8 years and out now complaining about the hate Trump is getting is giving me a real good laugh.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Exactly. Common decency and respect for the American right to liberty used to just be an expectation of the president. Now we're supposed to reward him for it?
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Really.

What's next?

'Trump has just announced he will not bring back slavery. And ladies? Good news...you can keep the vote!'

*the crowd gives him a long applause*
 
Chomsky said:
Actually, I agree with you in his being (relatively) free from "external" ideologies.

When I used "ideologies" earlier, I was more accurately referring to his "own internal compass", if that makes sense?

(and pls note I used "refreshing" in my erlier post too, which for me is a pretty good compliment towards the guy! ;))
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Yes it was. :) I was just teasing you a bit because I know he is not your preference to be President. Nor was he mine for that matter. . .BUT. . .as we go along, and I begin to see a discernable method to what the anti-Trumpers deem madness, I am beginning to appreciate his approach more and more.

I, and I believe 62 million others like me, voted for him because he was not going to do things as any other President we have ever known has done them. He is actually keeping his campaign promises. None of us are used to that. And he campaigned on a promise to actually fix the problems rather than just give them lip service.

So in confidence that the Congress will push back on anything that is truly outrageous or wrong headed, I will support him until he gives me reason not to do that. So far he hasn't.
 
Spartacus FPV said:
When else do you give praise?
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Ummm...when you do something praiseworthy.

When else?

This is not praiseworthy. This is 'if he does cancel these protections, he is a scumbag'.
 
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