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President Trump did not ban Muslims from the United States

VanceMack said:


Im sorry....what were you saying? I couldnt hear you between a a flaming rat hypocrites tears.

Yes. Absolutely. Donald Trump spoke out of his ass...a LOT...on the campaign trail. Thats a given. YES...this was poorly executed...no doubt. But its not unusual, its not mean spirited, and it is damn sure not a 'ban'. And you know that.
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Reminds me of the hoopla over the word "protest" during the Benghazi witch hunt. You really have no business calling out people for what you were doing for the last four years. Hypocrite, indeed.


Trump campaigned for two years on a Muslim ban and one of his first actions in office was to ban all Muslims refugees AND travelers from seven countries temporarily and one indefinitely...not because of any direct known threat to the US...but because he saw an internet poll that said 1 out of 1 million Muslims sympathized with ISIS. That's akin to saying all Chihuahuas are dogs, therefore all dogs are Chihuahuas.
 
Moot said:
Reminds me of the hoopla over the word "protest" during the Benghazi witch hunt. You really have no business calling out people for what you were doing for the last four years. Hypocrite, indeed.


Trump campaigned for two years on a Muslim ban and one of his first actions in office was to ban all Muslims refugees AND travelers from seven countries temporarily and one indefinitely...not because of any direct known threat to the US...but because he saw an internet poll that said 1 out of 1 million Muslims sympathized with ISIS. That's akin to saying all Chihuahuas are dogs, therefore all dogs are Chihuahuas.
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Woah. How do you equate Benghazi to this? Thats inane. I mean...COMPLETELY inane. In Benghazi you had governmental inaction which lead to the death of Americans, you had administration officials that knowingly peddled lies regarding the instance, and you had an administration that lied and blocked an investigation into the affair. Its pathetic that you are trying to equate the two instances. Just...sad.
 
Lutherf said:
Interestingly enough, someone on MSNBC made note of this fact while I was putting on my shoes this morning. They went on to say that the courts would look at this decision differently than a lot of people on the street would.
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That's because the courts looks at things based on logic and the law. People on the street, especially the left, only use their emotions.
 
albqowl said:
when trump is baiting the haters and the gullible, he dangles just enough bait out there knowing they'll take it and expose their true motives. That's how he beat 16 very qualified other republicans for the nomination and how he vanquished the presumed queen that would simply be annointed. He still does it--throws out the worst case scenario knowing the gullible will blow it all out of proportion making it easier for him to accomplish the well reasoned deal to accomplish a specific goal.

The trump haters are left with egg on their angry faces. If he started out with the more reasonable plan that he always winds up with and intended, they would be no less dishonest and vindictive. But he can kill two birds with one stone the way he does it. Show his opponents up for the intolerant and sometimes dishonest people they are while accomplishing his goal.

I could be very wrong, but i really am beginning to see all this as absolutely intended, carefully thought out, and in its own way, brilliant.
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bingo!


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Absentglare said:
It has to be one of each unless it's varying degrees of both sides.

Either he's breaking his promise to ban Muslims, or he's not.

Either he's imposing new broad group-based restrictions, changing who can immigrate legally, or he's not.

You can't have it "none of the above"- that's not a valid option.
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Trump never promised to "Ban-Muslims"!

Trump promised "Extreme Vetting", and went on to define exactly what he meant.

The MSM put the "Ban-Muslims" term into Trump's mouth.

Ohh,... And she never Said "Let them Eat Cake"!


Read Post #283 and watch video on post #286.


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VanceMack said:
Do you realize that the Obama administrations security team with members like Comey, Johnson, etc admitted you CANNOT adequately vet Syrian refugees?
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They said they have no process to do that at this time. They have 90 days to come up with one for those travelling from terrorist ridden countries and 120 days to come up with one to separate the terrorists or likely terrorists from those we allow in.
 
MaggieD said:
I don't know whether Obama did that or not. I have readily agreed with others that the rollout of this EO was unnecessarily confusing and harsh. I know why HE felt it was necessary that the EO be a surprise party, but I don't agree with it.

I am genuinely sorry your family has been effected. There's a great deal of fear mongering going on. That's the biggest shame of it.
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I don't agree with any of it. It's completely unreasonable for you or any other Trump supporter to expect families like mine to feel comfortable or be supportive of it. We can't support the president. We are outraged. My husband has already left the country, and no Trump supporter I know has any concern about his ability to return. BTW I am speaking about Trump supporters I know in real life. They show a serious lack of concern for us regarding these laws. We feel alienated by many people directly around us, and we are not alone. I take it highly personally. Trump supporters are afraid of muslims, immigrants, and refugees. If my husband were detained in an airport, I highly doubt most of the people around me would care.
 
SheWolf said:
I don't agree with any of it. It's completely unreasonable for you or any other Trump supporter to expect families like mine to feel comfortable or be supportive of it. We can't support the president. We are outraged. My husband has already left the country, and no Trump supporter I know has any concern about his ability to return. BTW I am speaking about Trump supporters I know in real life. They show a serious lack of concern for us regarding these laws. We feel alienated by many people directly around us, and we are not alone. I take it highly personally. Trump supporters are afraid of muslims, immigrants, and refugees. If my husband were detained in an airport, I highly doubt most of the people around me would care.
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That is unfortunate, SheWolf. I'm a Trump supporter. I am not afraid of Muslims, immigrants or refugees. I think, if you peek behind the curtain a little bit, you may find your friends and neighbors are uncomfortable talking about this to you because they KNOW it intimately effects you and your family.

Please tell us where your husband is from that you are afraid he will somehow not be able to come back into the United States. If he is from one of the seven countries, he probably shouldn't have left just now...
 
MaggieD said:
That is unfortunate, SheWolf. I'm a Trump supporter. I am not afraid of Muslims, immigrants or refugees. I think, if you peek behind the curtain a little bit, you may find your friends and neighbors are uncomfortable talking about this to you because they KNOW it intimately effects you and your family.

Please tell us where your husband is from that you are afraid he will somehow not be able to come back into the United States. If he is from one of the seven countries, he probably shouldn't have left just now...
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Why do they want to support laws that negatively impact us like this? It has to be fear. There is no other explanation.

My husband is not from the banned countries, but if this expands that could quickly change. We asked the immigration lawyer and they advised to not leave the country, but he had to leave for an emergency. He is not breaking any laws by leaving, it's just risky for him to leave.
 
SheWolf said:
Why do they want to support laws that negatively impact us like this? It has to be fear. There is no other explanation.

My husband is not from the banned countries, but if this expands that could quickly change. We asked the immigration lawyer and they advised to not leave the country, but he had to leave for an emergency. He is not breaking any laws by leaving, it's just risky for him to leave.
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I completely understand your being apprehensive. My best wishes are with you and your family. It cannot, must not, expand.
 
So despite reassurances gained by Britain's Foreign Secretary that UK citizens were exempt from the arbitrary ban, a Consultant Cardiologist was today refused boarding to a US flight from London. She was attending a medical conference, as she did last year. Her circumstances have not changed. She is still British, The "Iraq" stamp in her passport is still there after five years, and her name is still Husseini, and she is still Muslim. Yet she is banned for an unspecified new reason. What could it be?
 
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