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The Wall

Moderate Right

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I can understand why Mexico doesn't want to pay for the wall but, other than that, why do they really give a rats ass if we build a wall or not?
 
Remittances from Mexicans in the US are very important to the Mexican economy and to help millions of Mexicans.
 
Moderate Right said:
I can understand why Mexico doesn't want to pay for the wall but, other than that, why do they really give a rats ass if we build a wall or not?
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Somehow every time I see a reference to "The Wall" I think of Game of Thrones.
 
Moderate Right said:
I can understand why Mexico doesn't want to pay for the wall but, other than that, why do they really give a rats ass if we build a wall or not?
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A wall means less illegals which mean less American dollars flowing south for corrupt Mexican politicians.
 
DamnYankee said:
A wall means less illegals which mean less American dollars flowing south for corrupt Mexican politicians.
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That would probably piss them off then. Oh. Wait a minute. They are pissed off!
 
DamnYankee said:
A wall means less illegals which mean less American dollars flowing south for corrupt Mexican politicians.
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It's a good thing nobody has developed technology that allows a person to get to the top of a wall.
 
Moderate Right said:
I can understand why Mexico doesn't want to pay for the wall but, other than that, why do they really give a rats ass if we build a wall or not?
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Money
 
Deuce said:
It's a good thing nobody has developed technology that allows a person to get to the top of a wall.
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Doesn't matter. We already have the technology (where properly applied) to sense and locate anyone who tries to climb one. Then we'll have the personnel to apprehend and toss them back to their own side. :coffeepap:
 
Moderate Right said:
I can understand why Mexico doesn't want to pay for the wall but, other than that, why do they really give a rats ass if we build a wall or not?
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My guess is they are concerned with losing the money they have encouraged their citizens to bleed from taxpayers in the United States.

A failed country that masks it's failure with money taken from other people is bound to be frightened at the prospect of the spigot being turn way down.
 
ocean515 said:
My guess is they are concerned with losing the money they have encouraged their citizens to bleed from taxpayers in the United States.

A failed country that masks it's failure with money taken from other people is bound to be frightened at the prospect of the spigot being turn way down.
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US, Mexico or both?
 
Its also btw the same reason the US would be against Canada building a wall on its southern border...economics.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Doesn't matter. We already have the technology (where properly applied) to sense and locate anyone who tries to climb one. Then we'll have the personnel to apprehend and toss them back to their own side. :coffeepap:
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And there are hundreds of tunnels all along the border where people and goods can move through unimpeded. Or they could take a small boat and just sail around the sides. It's a wall and this is the 21st century. Spending tens of billions on something that can be easily circumvented makes no sense.
 
Deuce said:
It's a good thing nobody has developed technology that allows a person to get to the top of a wall.
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Any experienced climber will tell you going up is much less treacherous than the trip down.

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RabidAlpaca said:
And there are hundreds of tunnels all along the border where people and goods can move through unimpeded. Or they could take a small boat and just sail around the sides. It's a wall and this is the 21st century. Spending tens of billions on something that can be easily circumvented makes no sense.
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Red Herring.

Step 1. Build the wall. (Government works project).

Step 2. Locate and destroy all current underground access.

Step 3. Set up seismic monitors and other electronic surveillance (under, over, and around) to locate new attempts.

Step 4. Counter new attempts.

Step 5. Maintain necessary levels of vigilance and personnel to conduct Steps 2 through 4.

NOTE: Be happy about the economic benefits of all the jobs created through a major government works project, and all the other jobs created to maintain the security measures and patrol the border. :coffeepap:
 
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Mexico should model its relationship with the us closer to Canada's

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Captain Adverse said:
Doesn't matter. We already have the technology (where properly applied) to sense and locate anyone who tries to climb one. Then we'll have the personnel to apprehend and toss them back to their own side. :coffeepap:
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If we had applied the resources to monitor and actively patrol the entire border effectively, people wouldn't be talking about a wall in the first place.
 
Deuce said:
If we had applied the resources to monitor and actively patrol the entire border effectively, people wouldn't be talking about a wall in the first place.
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Wrong thought process. It would take massive amounts of manpower and personnel to properly monitor and patrol an open border, much more costly in the long term than a static defense:

1. A static structure creates a first-line barrier the illegal needs to try to negotiate. Something it would take greater time, effort, and expense to deal with than it does without the barrier.

2. Such a structure, with the proper electronic sensor gear, not only alerts monitoring personnel to the specific location of the attempt, but it isolates and delays the illegals giving time for the response team to arrive and deal with them quickly and efficiently.

3. The structure also reduces the necessary manpower to patrol to simple response teams and the crews at the central monitoring sites.

Meanwhile, there is still that government works project economic stimulus benefit to think of. :coffeepap:
 
Captain Adverse said:
Wrong thought process. It would take massive amounts of manpower and personnel to properly monitor and patrol an open border, much more costly in the long term than a static defense:

1. A static structure creates a first-line barrier the illegal needs to try to negotiate. Something it would take greater time, effort, and expense to deal with than it does without the barrier.

2. Such a structure, with the proper electronic sensor gear, not only alerts monitoring personnel to the specific location of the attempt, but it isolates and delays the illegals giving time for the response team to arrive and deal with them quickly and efficiently.

3. The structure also reduces the necessary manpower to patrol to simple response teams and the crews at the central monitoring sites.

Meanwhile, there is still that government works project economic stimulus benefit to think of. :coffeepap:
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Yes, I recognize that a wall is technically an improvement to border security. However, I'm suggesting that it is a minor improvement because drug cartels, for a living, circumvent border security and they're pretty good at it by now.

A fence + sensors + patrols is going to cost far, far more than Trumpster has been claiming. What did he say, 4 billion? Or was it 6? 8? 10-12? Actually he said all of those numbers. What's he saying these days?
 
DamnYankee said:
A wall means less illegals which mean less American dollars flowing south for corrupt Mexican politicians.
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It's just window dressing, Trump playing to his constituents. If an American government wanted to fight illegal immigration they'd enforce the laws against employing illegals. Toss a couple motel owners and golf course operators into jail, fine the crap out of a few fruit farmers and house builders, stop the people who are luring illegal immigrants into your country.
Won't happen, though. Those are wealthy, influential people who make big bucks off of cheap labour. No government composed of their cronies will make a move in that direction.
 
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