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If Trump is right about millions of illegal voters

haymarket said:
If Trump is right that there were between three million and five million illegal voters in 2016, does that not call into serious question the validity of the entire election and the results?

Consider that Trump is president because he won the EC votes in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania . The margin there was 10K in Mich, 23K in WISC and 44K in PA. Thats 77 thousand votes that decided the winner of the election and he claims there may have been as many as 5 million votes illegally cast.

So why does this issue not cut both ways and make Trump even more the illegitimate bastard king he is today in many peoples opinion?

I realize there is no constitutional provision for it - but why should America simply not come to the conclusion that this was one big cluster SNAFU and we just need to scrap the whole damn thing and start over?
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You begin with the word "if". Everything after that is fantasy.
 
haymarket said:
If Trump is right that there were between three million and five million illegal voters in 2016, does that not call into serious question the validity of the entire election and the results?

So why does this issue not cut both ways and make Trump even more the illegitimate bastard king he is today in many peoples opinion?
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Your premise is faulty. If Trump is right then he also wins the popular vote. That said, if it actually is found out to be true, Trump is still 100% legitimate. He was lawfully sworn in after a vote by the EC. Nothing changes that.
 
humbolt said:
You've grossly misrepresented my post, claimed I'm lying about it to boot, and then claimed I'm insulting you and threatening you. I'm not apologizing to a soul, and least of all you. I'm not in the least responsible for what goes on between your ears. Your continuing posts to me don't deserve a response. Go cry to someone who cares.
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Apologize to Haymarket for your post #34 .
 
Fishking said:
Your premise is faulty. If Trump is right then he also wins the popular vote. That said, if it actually is found out to be true, Trump is still 100% legitimate. He was lawfully sworn in after a vote by the EC. Nothing changes that.
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Any GOP house or senate members, the party you support, believe trump is right ?
 
Fishking said:
Your premise is faulty. If Trump is right then he also wins the popular vote. That said, if it actually is found out to be true, Trump is still 100% legitimate. He was lawfully sworn in after a vote by the EC. Nothing changes that.
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The burden of proof is on Trump. His batting average on proving things is something I would be happy to bet against.
 
NIMBY said:
Any GOP house or senate members, the party you support, believe trump is right ?
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I haven't heard any house or senate members comment on it. I'm guessing they don't, for the most part.
 
Porkuloss said:
The burden of proof is on Trump. His batting average on proving things is something I would be happy to bet against.
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I don't disagree. I was responding to the premise in the OP, not to Trump's claim.
 
Mycroft said:
It doesn't matter, does it?

As I said, there won't be any evidence because it's being removed. And, I suspect, you wouldn't give any evidence that DID arise a fair consideration. You are well known to spin anything that doesn't conform to your biases or preferred beliefs. So excuse me for declining your gamesmanship...I just don't see any reasonable upside to taking part in it.
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You mis the point - what evidence DID YOU HAVE to make that statement in the first place?
 
trouble13 said:
Are you saying you advocate for voter id laws? Count me in on that

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Where in my post did I take that position?

But that phony issue is indeed what will come out of this ridiculous Trump investigation just the same. That is what this about pure and simple - other than the fragile leader not being able to accept any sort of rejection.
 
Fishking said:
Your premise is faulty. If Trump is right then he also wins the popular vote. That said, if it actually is found out to be true, Trump is still 100% legitimate. He was lawfully sworn in after a vote by the EC. Nothing changes that.
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You confuse the term LEGAL with LEGITIMATE. They can be two very different things.

And there is no evidence Trump won the popular vote so it is your premise which is faulty.
 
humbolt said:
Joy Behar is probably Haymarket's inspiration. She's the genius that said that an abortion was okay because the baby could've been a pedophile had it lived. She should be on the list for the DNC chair. Every other nut they could find is.
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Never watch her.
 
NIMBY said:
Republicans reject trump's voter fraud claims.

Though it fits in with GOP voter suppression laws since 2011.

Another example of Nixonian behavior .
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What voter suppression?


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humbolt said:
Joy Behar is probably Haymarket's inspiration. She's the genius that said that an abortion was okay because the baby could've been a pedophile had it lived. She should be on the list for the DNC chair. Every other nut they could find is.
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In typical lying right-wing fashion, you completely distorted what Behar meant. Now, what she said was pretty rotten, but she certainly didn't say "abortion was okay because the baby could've been a pedophile had it lived." That's a bald-faced lie.

Joy Behar Says Tebow Could Have Been "Rapist Pedophile," Finds Nadir of Ad Flap - SBNation.com

The only argument against any of it is, that, you know, he could just as easily have become some kind of a rapist pedophile. I mean, you don't know what someone's going to be," Behar answered, adding:

"In this case, he turned out to be great, but it's not an argument about abortion or not abortion [sic], it's just, this particular case, this particular woman decided not to do it, and this is the wonderful result. There are others who decide to do it [commit abortion], and they're glad that they did it. You know, I mean, it's a very individual choice."
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In this case, she was simply pointing out that people lionizing Tim Tebow's mother for her decision to carry him to term -- despite serious potential problems -- were only doing so because he turned out to be ... well, Tim Tebow, and that it's an individual choice and not something to be retroactively praised or shamed, depending on how the kid turned out. She worded it horribly, but to parse it as you did is just flat-out dishonest.
 
haymarket said:
You mis the point - what evidence DID YOU HAVE to make that statement in the first place?
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I've read various investigations and opinions. That's all. It's nothing I would present as "evidence".

What forms my opinion is no more valid...nor invalid...than any of the investigations and opinions that deny voter fraud. That's why I welcome a study by the Trump administration and that's why I lament California's probable attempts to remove the ability of any investigation from getting evidence from their State.
 
haymarket said:
You make a claim and your link does not supply the evidence for your claim. Can you provide that missing evidence?
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Do you really think illegals would vote for Trump ? :lol:
 
Kobie said:
In typical lying right-wing fashion, you completely distorted what Behar meant. Now, what she said was pretty rotten, but she certainly didn't say "abortion was okay because the baby could've been a pedophile had it lived." That's a bald-faced lie.

Joy Behar Says Tebow Could Have Been "Rapist Pedophile," Finds Nadir of Ad Flap - SBNation.com



In this case, she was simply pointing out that people lionizing Tim Tebow's mother for her decision to carry him to term -- despite serious potential problems -- were only doing so because he turned out to be ... well, Tim Tebow, and that it's an individual choice and not something to be retroactively praised or shamed, depending on how the kid turned out. She worded it horribly, but to parse it as you did is just flat-out dishonest.
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You folks on the left are really big on calling everybody else liars. I simply paraphrased her comment. The whole speculation about what a human's future may hold is just nuts. We have no way of knowing what events may occur in an individual's life or how those events may shape them. It's not the rotten thing she said. It's the logic - or rather complete lack of it - that allows her to make such a conclusion that baffles me. I'm not an abortion fan, but I remain pro-choice, and always will.

Anyway, it's moot at this point.
 
humbolt said:
You folks on the left are really big on calling everybody else liars. I simply paraphrased her comment. The whole speculation about what a human's future may hold is just nuts. We have no way of knowing what events may occur in an individual's life or how those events may shape them. It's not the rotten thing she said. It's the logic - or rather complete lack of it - that allows her to make such a conclusion that baffles me. I'm not an abortion fan, but I remain pro-choice, and always will.

Anyway, it's moot at this point.
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"Paraphrased her comment" in a manner in which you implied she meant something she did not. You lied. Period, end of conversation.
 
Mycroft said:
I've read various investigations and opinions. That's all. It's nothing I would present as "evidence".
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You had no evidence but made a claim of fact anyways. Got it.
 
Socrates1 said:
Do you really think illegals would vote for Trump ? :lol:
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I have no idea either way as there is no evidence that illegals even voted for anybody.
 
haymarket said:
I have no idea either way as there is no evidence that illegals even voted for anybody.
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Besides we all know the demoRATS wouldn't cheat . :lol: :lol:
 
haymarket said:
You had no evidence but made a claim of fact anyways. Got it.
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You have no interest in my clarification and expansion of that point. Got it.
 
Socrates1 said:
Do you really think illegals would vote for Trump ? :lol:
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Trump didn't just mean illegal aliens. He said 'dead people' people voting and people who vote twice...which is illegal.

Like this woman...

[h=1]Trump supporter charged with voting twice in Iowa[/h]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-voting-twice-in-iowa/?utm_term=.80b55892d65d

A woman in Iowa was arrested this week on suspicion of voting twice in the general election, court and police records show.
Terri Lynn Rote, a 55-year-old Des Moines resident, was booked Thursday on a first-degree charge of election misconduct, according to Polk County Jail records. The charge is considered a Class D felony under Iowa state law.

Rote was released Friday after posting $5,000 bond. A preliminary hearing is scheduled for Nov. 7.

The Des Moines Register reported that Rote is a registered Republican who cast two ballots in the general election: an early-voting ballot at the Polk County Election Office and another at a county satellite voting location, according to police records.

She added she has been a supporter of Donald Trump since early in his campaign, after Republican candidate Mike Huckabee dropped out of the primary race.

Rote told Iowa Public Radio that she cast her first ballot for Trump but feared it would be changed to a vote for Hillary Clinton.

“The polls are rigged,” Rote told the radio station."
 
haymarket said:
If Trump is right that there were between three million and five million illegal voters in 2016, does that not call into serious question the validity of the entire election and the results?
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if he exposes that level of corruption, he becomes an American Hero instantly and would be serving two terms.

careful what you wish for
 
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