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President Trump Says he Is Open To Using Feds to Fix Chicago Violence

NonoBadDog said:
An excuse is an excuse. All the DOJ needs is an excuse to get in the door. It doesn't have to be a reason.
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Well that comes down to the difference between whether they can do it and whether they should do it.

I don't think it would be appropriate or ethical to do so.
 
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If Chicago doesn't fix the horrible "carnage" going on, 228 shootings in 2017 with 42 killings (up 24% from 2016), I will send in the Feds!


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Trump didn't like something that the mayor said, so that's how Trump responded. Sounds a bit like storm trooping to me.
 
Casper said:
LOL, and you think that they can do something about gangsters killing each other? Sure they can.
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I may have to agree. The Left has made it nearly impossible for justice and domestic tranquility to exist with it's obsessive Political Correctness and dreams of unicorns and utopia, open borders and sanctuary cities to protect criminal illegal aliens
 
Chomsky said:
Trump's trolling you guys, and most of the country.

Do you really believe a sitting President would communicate like that? Like a child? In emotive vague vagarity?

You're getting trolled ...
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With all due respect, Chomsky: Duh.

When one is getting trolled, you generally have the option of ignoring it. But when a professional troll is your president who steers national policy and discourse, you're going to get trolled and there is no "putting him on ignore."
 
Absentglare said:
Well that comes down to the difference between whether they can do it and whether they should do it.

I don't think it would be appropriate or ethical to do so.
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One would have to define ethical. One could argue that the city of Chicago can't seem to get the crime rate down so it would be ethical to help reduce the crime rate for the sake of the people. The other side of the argument could be that the people voted for their corrupt or inept politicians and it is their choice to live with the high crime rate so the federal govt should keep their noses out of a local problem.
 
Ockham said:
If any place in the US could use martial law, it's parts of Chicago.
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Nowhere in the U.S. could use the suspension of rights and freedoms with military rule. There are ways to deal with Chicago that don't require such extremes.

The fact that people are even paying lipservice to that idea shows how far we have sunk as a country.
 
Cardinal said:
With all due respect, Chomsky: Duh.

When one is getting trolled, you generally have the option of ignoring it. But when a professional troll is your president who steers national policy and discourse, you're going to get trolled and there is no "putting him on ignore."
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Yeah, that a big problem.

But I'm hoping the country learns to ignore his Tweets. Tweets are nothing, without Executive Order or Legislation. So I say, "Ignore the prick!" (for your own good)

He's got us where he wants us, and I can only imagine the growth in his ego, and the danger it represents.

I see him as a very dangerous man, and while I will not wish ill-will upon my fellow Americans, I'm truly dismayed at what-the-hell were they were thinking, when subjecting us and the country to this abomination.

Check-out the very last paragraph in post #14 here in this thread, to see the very real way this has touched my family. And mine is a minor inconvenience, compared to others! But it broke my heart to have to think of the country I love in those terms. Really broke it. I thought it couldn't ever get worse than Bush, but it did.
 
NoLeftNoRight said:
I may have to agree. The Left has made it nearly impossible for justice and domestic tranquility to exist with it's obsessive Political Correctness and dreams of unicorns and utopia, open borders and cities to protect criminal illegal aliens
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:roll:

National violent crime rate from 1990 to 2014. Note that it dropped almost every year, regardless of which party held the Presidency and/or majorities in Congress, and with no correlation to the numbers of unauthorized immigrants in the US.

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Ockham said:
If any place in the US could use martial law, it's parts of Chicago.
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I hope you have relevant experience in Chicago to back this statement up, besides what you may have believed learn from some distant medium.
 
Northern Light said:
Nowhere in the U.S. could use the suspension of rights and freedoms with military rule. There are ways to deal with Chicago that don't require such extremes.

The fact that people are even paying lipservice to that idea shows how far we have sunk as a country.
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And it also shows how far the Right and Trump have succeeded! :doh
 
NonoBadDog said:
One would have to define ethical. One could argue that the city of Chicago can't seem to get the crime rate down so it would be ethical to help reduce the crime rate for the sake of the people. The other side of the argument could be that the people voted for their corrupt or inept politicians and it is their choice to live with the high crime rate so the federal govt should keep their noses out of a local problem.
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One could argue that the city of Chicago can't seem to get the crime rate down so it would be ethical to pass strict national gun control laws. But when that is suggested, it is adamantly argued that the federal government lacks the authority to do so.

So which is it, does the fed have authority to address this problem or not? I'd argue not.
 
Absentglare said:
One could argue that the city of Chicago can't seem to get the crime rate down so it would be ethical to pass strict national gun control laws. But when that is suggested, it is adamantly argued that the federal government lacks the authority to do so.

So which is it, does the fed have authority to address this problem or not? I'd argue not.
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Firearm laws are not the problem. Chicago has some of the toughest firearm laws in the country...
 
Chomsky said:
Trump's trolling you guys, and most of the country.

Do you really believe a sitting President would communicate like that? Like a child? In emotive vague vagarity?

You're getting trolled ...
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Meanwhile people are killing each other in places like chicago, and he's the only one who really seems to want to do something about it.
 
BrewerBob said:
Interestingly enough, plain ol' vanilla murder is not against federal law and in such cases there is no legal recourse for the Feds to take over. However, there are types of murder that violate federal law, like drug related murders, that the Feds could flex their muscles on. But all of it would be after the fact investigations. It isn't like the Feds are trained to patrol the city and respond to 9-11 calls. They aren't first responders. I doubt the Feds would dent the murder numbers.
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If drugs cross state lines, the feds can get involved and often do.
 
Absentglare said:
One could argue that the city of Chicago can't seem to get the crime rate down so it would be ethical to pass strict national gun control laws. But when that is suggested, it is adamantly argued that the federal government lacks the authority to do so.

So which is it, does the fed have authority to address this problem or not? I'd argue not.
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One could argue gun control is the answer, if they aren't really interested in the issue of the crime rate and want to politicize the situation to push their non applicable agenda. The Constitution isn't going anywhere.
 
BrewerBob said:
All good points. I just question how effective it will be given that city policing isn't something the Feds are trained to do. But who knows? Maybe it would be worth a try.
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What the Feds are trained to do is get to the top level of criminal orgs., something that most local LE isn't so focused on. With local LE, the focus has to be more broad, while the Feds can focus on cutting off the heads. I doubt that the feds are going to go after street level dealers carrying an illegal firearm. But what they can do is go after the people who providing that guy with the drugs to sell and who are providing him protection (through corrupt officials).
 
Visbek said:
Is he going to pay to fund those resources?



Chicago's homicide rate has nothing to do with unauthorized immigration.



Trump will what, bolster the ATF to crack down on illegal gun trade to Chicago? lol



So... homicides in Chicago are a result of pollution and a lack of highway funding? You can't be serious.



They're not going to get anywhere without local support. Nowhere.

Local police are also the problem, as they have spent decades abusing the locals with impunity. The people in the afflicted neighborhoods don't trust the police. This is not something that can be fixed by the DEA descending on problematic neighborhoods and running undercover investigations into the drug trade.

Besides, do you really want the federal government engaged in routine local law enforcement? Are you sure that's what you want?
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It's the fault of police Chicago us such a cesspool? :2rofll:
 
NonoBadDog said:
One could argue gun control is the answer, if they aren't really interested in the issue of the crime rate and want to politicize the situation to push their non applicable agenda. The Constitution isn't going anywhere.
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Either the federal government has the authority to address a problem of violence or it doesn't. It doesn't make sense to argue that they can act by arming an authoritarian national police force to clean up Chicago if they can't pass federal laws further regulating firearms.
 
Absentglare said:
Either the federal government has the authority to address a problem of violence or it doesn't. It doesn't make sense to argue that they can act by arming an authoritarian national police force to clean up Chicago if they can't pass federal laws further regulating firearms.
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Obvious is obvious. Your argument is stupid enough to discard on it's face without further discussion.
 
radcen said:
I don't necessarily disagree, but when has government ever stopped at just what was needed?
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True.... we can use that measuring stick with everything but we don't.
 
Chomsky said:
Yeah, that a big problem.
But I'm hoping the country learns to ignore his Tweets. Tweets are nothing, without Executive Order or Legislation. So I say, "Ignore the prick!" (for your own good)
He's got us where he wants us, and I can only imagine the growth in his ego, and the danger it represents.
I see him as a very dangerous man, and while I will not wish ill-will upon my fellow Americans, I'm truly dismayed at what-the-hell were they were thinking, when subjecting us and the country to this abomination.
Check-out the very last paragraph in post #14 here in this thread, to see the very real way this has touched my family. And mine is a minor inconvenience, compared to others! But it broke my heart to have to think of the country I love in those terms. Really broke it. I thought it couldn't ever get worse than Bush, but it did.
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And Obama wasn't as dangerous or more so? Really?

Chomsky, our leaders are supposed to be FOR our best interests. Trumps obviously are, even from the starting gate......in stark contrast to Obama's legacy. wow.
 
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