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Another Big Tantrum

LowDown

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…If you believe that the past three Republican presidential victories are the result of cheating, you have a child’s view of the world, where your side is always right and your side should always win. Yes, Trump’s a boor, incapable of brushing off petty insults, and completely unlike any president we’ve had before. But I’ve seen all the “not my president” and “selected, not elected” stuff before, for a much more decent, dignified man. Let’s turn the clock back sixteen years:

George W. Bush’s motorcade lurched through the largest inaugural protests since Richard Nixon on Saturday, enduring thousands of protesters who hurled insults, bottles, tomatoes and an egg. Protesters clashed briefly with police clad in riot gear at a few flash points while Bush remained inside his armored stretch car for most of the parade up a soggy, cold Pennsylvania Avenue. Police ordered the motorcade to slow in anticipation of some protests, and then to speed through others. A couple of protesters threw bottles and tomatoes before the presidential limousine arrived, and one hurled an egg that landed near the motorcade, the Secret Service said.
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George W. Bush indisputably had his flaws, but he was a gracious man who tried to treat his opposition with a certain amount of respect and who appreciated the dignity and decorum of the office. He reached out after that bitterly divided election, inviting the Kennedys to the White House for a screening of a film about JFK, and paying tribute to Rep. Joe Moakley in his first address to Congress. Plenty of the same Democrats complaining the loudest now – John Lewis, Al Sharpton, Michael Moore – treated Bush like crap.

I simply don’t believe that Democrats are upset because Trump is uniquely bad as a person or a president. History tells me that they’re upset because a Republican won
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For most of my adult lifetime each election has had 2 possible outcomes: A Democrat wins or a Republican wins who the Democrats think is illegitimate.

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LowDown said:
For most of my adult lifetime each election has had 2 possible outcomes: A Democrat wins or a Republican wins who the Democrats think is illegitimate.

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"The tolerant left"
 
LowDown said:
For most of my adult lifetime each election has had 2 possible outcomes: A Democrat wins or a Republican wins who the Democrats think is illegitimate.

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This is why we should be thankful to the lefties. Power transfer would be a normal thing if it were not for all the lefty tantrums, which would mean that victory could never be as sweet as it was today and on Nov 8. Thank you lefties, for making this victory so sweet!
 
I know. It isn't like lots of Republicans, including Trump, claimed Obama wasn't a natural born citizen and hence an illegitimate President.

Oh wait.

There are always sore losers who will make up whatever excuses they can to excuse their candidate losing. If Hillary had won we would be hearing the same thing. Trump had already set the groundwork for dismissing a Hillary win as fixed. Hell, even though Hillary lost there are Republicans and conservative media that keep pushing the line that Trump won the popular vote too if you subtract all the illegal votes.

It is all ridiculous and childish, I agree. But if you think just one side does it you are blinded by partisanship.
 
BrewerBob said:
I know. It isn't like lots of Republicans, including Trump, claimed Obama wasn't a natural born citizen and hence an illegitimate President.

Oh wait.

There are always sore losers who will make up whatever excuses they can to excuse their candidate losing. If Hillary had won we would be hearing the same thing. Trump had already set the groundwork for dismissing a Hillary win as fixed. Hell, even though Hillary lost there are Republicans and conservative media that keep pushing the line that Trump won the popular vote too if you subtract all the illegal votes.

It is all ridiculous and childish, I agree. But if you think just one side does it you are blinded by partisanship.
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Sorry, that doesn't wash. With Obama the birthers were a fringe element. You didn't have a third of the Republican caucus of the House boycotting the inauguration.
 
LowDown said:
Sorry, that doesn't wash. With Obama the birthers were a fringe element. You didn't have a third of the Republican caucus of the House boycotting the inauguration.
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Not that fringe. As recently as this summer less than 30% of Republicans believed Obama was born in the US. And among that "fringe group" included the current President of the United States. Why does everyone seem ok with grading Trump on a curve?
 
LowDown said:
For most of my adult lifetime each election has had 2 possible outcomes: A Democrat wins or a Republican wins who the Democrats think is illegitimate.

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Democrats are opinionated?
 
BrewerBob said:
Not that fringe. As recently as this summer less than 30% of Republicans believed Obama was born in the US. And among that "fringe group" included the current President of the United States. Why does everyone seem ok with grading Trump on a curve?
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Perhaps because he's more like a real person than a plastic politician?
 
LowDown said:
For most of my adult lifetime each election has had 2 possible outcomes: A Democrat wins or a Republican wins who the Democrats think is illegitimate.

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In my lifetime I have only seen 2 Presidents win without a popular vote majority and they both were Republicans. It is not a coincidence that both of those wins are the ones that were questioned. The fact that Trumps win was predicated by a mere 85,000 votes in 3 states does not help either. Add that to his 3 million + loss in the popular vote and you have the least liked President in history before he even starts. A President that was voted for by only 25% of the electorate has a lot to prove to the other 75% who did not vote for him.

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BrewerBob said:
Not that fringe. As recently as this summer less than 30% of Republicans believed Obama was born in the US. And among that "fringe group" included the current President of the United States. Why does everyone seem ok with grading Trump on a curve?
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Its more a matter of degree.

Even the birthers didn't take it to the streets across America, rioting, causing disruptions, scaring people. It was orderly and that is the way it is supposed to be in a republic. People had their doubts about the empty suit's legitimacy, vaild or not. They put together their claims and assertions, which, truthfully O bomb a most certainly, with his refusal then acquiescence in putting out a document in which there is still doubt, if you study it, that it is legit.

Whose fault is it that it has gone on and on? Squarely on O bomb a.

But still... no fires in the streets, no breaking of windows, no blocking streets... it is the left that most often likes to use force when they don't get their way through the ballot box. Do you deny that? In a country based on freedom of speech, thought and idea are up to each individual, no matter how wrong they might be.

Its when thought turns to action turns to aggression that one can lay much fault.
 
eohrnberger said:
Perhaps because he's more like a real person than a plastic politician?
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So he should be held to a lower standard?

Here is the way I look at it. Trump is the legitimate President of the United States. As President he is also the leader of the Republican Party. So the Republicans get to enjoy all the benefits of that and they have to deal with the burden of that. Before Republicans criticize others for something they better make sure Trump isn't guilty of the same thing. Because both sides can play the "Trump card".
 
LowDown said:
For most of my adult lifetime each election has had 2 possible outcomes: A Democrat wins or a Republican wins who the Democrats think is illegitimate.

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really!..you must been sleep or under a rock during the entire Birther Movement of the past 8years, which Trump took the mantel and ran with it until last few months.

Well.... At least you are now wide a wake. Good for you

Diving Mullah
 
iguanaman said:
In my lifetime I have only seen 2 Presidents win without a popular vote majority and they both were Republicans. It is not a coincidence that both of those wins are the ones that were questioned. The fact that Trumps win was predicated by a mere 85,000 votes in 3 states does not help either. Add that to his 3 million + loss in the popular vote and you have the least liked President in history before he even starts. A President that was voted for by only 25% of the electorate has a lot to prove to the other 75% who did not vote for him.

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What is this 'popular vote' contest that people love to speak of? Is there a prize?

The virtual entirety of HRCs 'popular' vote came from 2 states. Out of 50. Thats why the popular vote never has meant **** and never will mean ****. But if it makes you feel better...you should go download a certificate template and make a bunch of copies showing what a 'winner' you are. Send a copy to Hillary...it will mean so much to her.
 
Diving Mullah said:
really!..you must been sleep or under a rock during the entire Birther Movement of the past 8years, which Trump took the mantel and ran with it until last few months.

Well.... At least you are now wide a wake. Good for you

Diving Mullah
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I don't recall a lot of Republican congressmen saying that Obama was illegitimate, or any of them boycotting Obama's nomination. Seems like to me that doing that mainstreams and normalizes the idea that the President is illegitimate.

Democrats are ill equipped to fight a civil war.
 
LowDown said:
For most of my adult lifetime each election has had 2 possible outcomes: A Democrat wins or a Republican wins who the Democrats think is illegitimate.

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Well, Bush Jr did lose the popular vote to Gore. Trump did lose the popular vote to Hillary. Bill won by a wide and indisputable margin. Obama won by a wide and indisputable margin.

It doesn't take a great intellect to understand that people will be pissed when their side keeps winning popular but losing the electoral. You bet your ass if Obama has lost the popular but won the elector, if Gore has lost the popular but won the electoral, or if Hillary had lost the popular but wont the electoral, the Republicans would be absolutely flipping their collective ****.
 
jimithyashford said:
Well, Bush Jr did lose the popular vote to Gore. Trump did lose the popular vote to Hillary. Bill won by a wide and indisputable margin. Obama won by a wide and indisputable margin.

It doesn't take a great intellect to understand that people will be pissed when their side keeps winning popular but losing the electoral. You bet your ass if Obama has lost the popular but won the elector, if Gore has lost the popular but won the electoral, or if Hillary had lost the popular but wont the electoral, the Republicans would be absolutely flipping their collective ****.
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The popular vote has no meaning except insofar as it creates electoral votes, which do have meaning.
 
jimithyashford said:
Well, Bush Jr did lose the popular vote to Gore. Trump did lose the popular vote to Hillary. Bill won by a wide and indisputable margin. Obama won by a wide and indisputable margin.

It doesn't take a great intellect to understand that people will be pissed when their side keeps winning popular but losing the electoral. You bet your ass if Obama has lost the popular but won the elector, if Gore has lost the popular but won the electoral, or if Hillary had lost the popular but wont the electoral, the Republicans would be absolutely flipping their collective ****.
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Bill Clinton didn't even win a majority of the votes. I don't recall Republicans getting all ginned up over that, though. No, the man is right. Democrats are just pissed because they lost. All excuses for having a temper tantrum are bogus, they always do this.
 
LowDown said:
I don't recall a lot of Republican congressmen saying that Obama was illegitimate, or any of them boycotting Obama's nomination. Seems like to me that doing that mainstreams and normalizes the idea that the President is illegitimate.

Democrats are ill equipped to fight a civil war.
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Obama did win both times with more than 50% of the popular vote that did not stop Republicans from treating him like dirt and obstructing everything he wanted to do. Why would Democrats feel any different about a President who was voted for by only 25% of eligible voters and claims a "landslide" anyway. I hope that Dems disrespect Trump as much as Obama was and audibly call out his lies at his State of the Union like the GOP did to Obama. The GOP set the tone and will be getting the same treatment in return.
 
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iguanaman said:
Obama did win both times with more than 50% of the popular vote that did not stop Republicans from treating him like dirt and obstructing everything he wanted to do. Why would Democrats feel any different about a President who was voted for by only 25% of eligible voters and claims a "landslide" anyway.
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The Repubs were the opposition, playing their appropriate role. I expect the Dems to do the same; however, the Dems' political position is weaker. Why? Because so many Dem senators are up for reelection in 2018 in states DJT carried.
 
Jack Hays said:
The Repubs were the opposition, playing their appropriate role. I expect the Dems to do the same; however, the Dems' political position is weaker. Why? Because so many Dem senators are up for reelection in 2018 in states DJT carried.
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I hope you still consider it "appropriate" when Trump receives the same treatment. We will see if "ramming things through Congress with no bipartisan support" is really the horror that the GOP painted it as. If Trump's poll numbers stay as low as they are now, vigorously opposing Trump will be the best way to get re-elected. He will likely be the most unpopular President in history if he caves to Ryan's draconian budget cuts and slashing of popular social programs. He has a tough road ahead if he is even to continue the successes that Obama has had with our economy much less improve on them.
 
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Jack Hays said:
The Repubs were the opposition, playing their appropriate role. I expect the Dems to do the same; however, the Dems' political position is weaker. Why? Because so many Dem senators are up for reelection in 2018 in states DJT carried.
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And 23 GOP representatives are from districts won by Clinton, just for starters .
 
iguanaman said:
I hope you still consider it "appropriate" when Trump receives the same treatment. If Trump's poll numbers stay as low as they are now, vigorously opposing Trump will be the best way to get re-elected. He will likely be the most unpopular President in history.
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The POTUS controls the agenda and the news cycle. Repubs learned how hard it is to oppose a POTUS. Dems are about to find out, in the minority in both houses. It's going to be a steamroller for at least a while.
 
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