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56 Years Ago Yesterday, Ike made this famous speech

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'In his farewell address to the nation 56 years ago, President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned the American people for the first time to keep a careful eye on what he called the "military-industrial complex" that had developed in the post-World War II years. Fiscally conservative Eisenhower had been concerned about the growing size and cost of the American defense establishment since he became president in 1953, and as History.com notes, in his last presidential address to the American people, he expressed those concerns in terms that shocked many of his listeners.'



56 Years Ago Today, Eisenhower Warned Americans Of "The Unwarranted Influence" Of The Deep State | Zero Hedge


Unfortunately, not enough people took it to heart.


Thoughts?
 
Oh to have men like that...A Washington that basically works, like that.
 
Wow, have not heard in a long time....did not remember that this dude called the fall of the University.

Way back then.
 
Eisenhower only dipped below 50% in his approval rating twice. A very underrated President.
 
Eisenhower only dipped below 50% in his approval rating twice. A very underrated President.

Yes definitely. He's easily in the top quarter of all presidents. The best we've had in 100 years.
 
Anyone Notice a pattern here?
"Zero Hedge" link and empty "Thoughts". Six OPs in a row.
Get a new source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

Zero Hedge is an English-language financial blog that aggregates news and presents editorial opinions from original and outside sources. The news portion of the site is written by a group of editors who collectively write under the Pseudonym "Tyler Durden" (a character from the novel and film Fight Club).

Critics assert that Zero Hedge's content is Conspiratorial, Anti-establishment, and Economically pessimistic,[3] and has been criticized for presenting Extreme and sometimes pro-Russian views.[1][4][5]
[......]
In 2009, shortly after the blog was founded, news reports identified Daniel Ivandjiiski, a Bulgarian-born former hedge-fund analyst who was Barred from the industry for Insider Trading by FINRA in 2008, as the Founder of the site, and reported that "Durden" was a Pseudonym for Ivandjiisk..."

More in link.
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Anyone Notice a pattern here?
"Zero Hedge" link and empty "Thoughts". Six OPs in a row.
Get a new source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

Zero Hedge is an English-language financial blog that aggregates news and presents editorial opinions from original and outside sources. The news portion of the site is written by a group of editors who collectively write under the Pseudonym "Tyler Durden" (a character from the novel and film Fight Club).

Critics assert that Zero Hedge's content is Conspiratorial, Anti-establishment, and Economically pessimistic,[3] and has been criticized for presenting Extreme and sometimes pro-Russian views.[1][4][5]
[......]
In 2009, shortly after the blog was founded, news reports identified Daniel Ivandjiiski, a Bulgarian-born former hedge-fund analyst who was Barred from the industry for Insider Trading by FINRA in 2008, as the Founder of the site, and reported that "Durden" was a Pseudonym for Ivandjiisk..."

More in link.
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So because of the source of the link...you just disregard the speech (which is the point of the thread)?

I am guessing you are FAR more about style than substance.


And btw, it is not 6 in a row. Close, but not in a row.

And I must say, you must have one bizarre crush on me to be following me around like this.

Creepy man...may I suggest you find something else...like a life?

Welcome to my Ignore List...your apparent obsession with me is just too weird.


Bu bye now.
 
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Anyone Notice a pattern here?
"Zero Hedge" link and empty "Thoughts". Six OPs in a row.
Get a new source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

Zero Hedge is an English-language financial blog that aggregates news and presents editorial opinions from original and outside sources. The news portion of the site is written by a group of editors who collectively write under the Pseudonym "Tyler Durden" (a character from the novel and film Fight Club).

Critics assert that Zero Hedge's content is Conspiratorial, Anti-establishment, and Economically pessimistic,[3] and has been criticized for presenting Extreme and sometimes pro-Russian views.[1][4][5]
[......]
In 2009, shortly after the blog was founded, news reports identified Daniel Ivandjiiski, a Bulgarian-born former hedge-fund analyst who was Barred from the industry for Insider Trading by FINRA in 2008, as the Founder of the site, and reported that "Durden" was a Pseudonym for Ivandjiisk..."

More in link.
slash/trash

The point of this thread is the Eisenhower speech.
Just because Zero Hedge is talking about the speech does not mean the speech never happened.
 
The point of this thread is the Eisenhower speech.
Just because Zero Hedge is talking about the speech does not mean the speech never happened.

Agreed and thank you.


Back to the speech...

one thing that struck me was when Ike talked about how the armaments industry did not really exist on a large scale before the Cold War. That businesses like Ford and GM would stop making cars and start making tanks/planes/etc. when war came. Sure, there were military businesses, but only a shadow of what they are today. Which seems like a much better way to do things then today with the military industrial complex which depends on the continued sale of vast quantities of military equipment.

It is sad that it has come to this.

The Founding Fathers were right. A tiny peacetime armed forces with a huge, well trained reserves was and is the way to go. It saves TONS of taxpayer money and puts far less pressure on governments to do something with these millions of military personnel sitting around costing the country hundreds of billions each year just to equip, house and train.
 
I Like Ike!

President/WWII General. He might of had a perspective that is now extinct.
 
'In his farewell address to the nation 56 years ago, President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned the American people for the first time to keep a careful eye on what he called the "military-industrial complex" that had developed in the post-World War II years. Fiscally conservative Eisenhower had been concerned about the growing size and cost of the American defense establishment since he became president in 1953, and as History.com notes, in his last presidential address to the American people, he expressed those concerns in terms that shocked many of his listeners.'



56 Years Ago Today, Eisenhower Warned Americans Of "The Unwarranted Influence" Of The Deep State | Zero Hedge


Unfortunately, not enough people took it to heart.


Thoughts?



I find it interesting how everyone applauds Ike on his comments on the MIC, but seem to forget what he said about the dangers of politicized sciences.
 
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I think a worse problem is the liberal Ideological Complex.
The Liberal Ideological Complex | The Weekly Standard
n 1961 President Dwight Eisenhower warned of the danger of a military-industrial complex. This powerful public-private collaboration, he said, had the potential to exert "unwarranted influence" over America's democratic processes. A half-century later, there are still those on the left who cling to this fear. But it seems that Eisenhower's warning had its intended effect—and perhaps then some. In 1961 defense spending constituted 9.1 percent of the gross domestic product, and there were 2,483,000 uniformed military personnel. Today, defense spending is 3.2 percent of GDP and 1,390,000 men and women serve in the uniformed military. If this behemoth is threatening America's democratic processes, it is not doing so very successfully.

There is, however, another interlocking public-private collaboration that is at once more insidious, more powerful, and more straightforwardly partisan: the liberal ideological complex. We do not always see this collaboration so clearly, because we tend to view each aspect of it as unique and not part of a larger picture. We look, for example, at public sector unions as a labor issue. We look at funding for Planned Parenthood through the lens of abortion policy. We look at EPA regulations and grants in terms of global warming and job destruction. And so on and so forth, down to the smallest, most narrowly tailored grant awards of the federal government.
 
I paid more attention this time than the 1st time I heard it. Ike, a true Libra, born October 14, 1890, liked to emphasize balance and moderation. In 1962, two years after Ike's farewell speech, Walter Cronkite took over as lead anchor for the CBS nightly news... and quickly became known as "the most trusted man in America". I have heard Trump make fiery references to "Let's make America Great again". Could someone please tell me what specific years he means to reference? Does he mean the Ike years... or maybe that era that began during Madison's 2nd term and carried Monroe into the WH with roughly 80% of the vote?
 
It is telling that 1 of the most famous, and decorated Generals in American history warns us about feeding and the dangers of the 'MIC". While civilian politicians, men who would wet themselves if in battle are more then willing to keep feeding the MIC beast.

I also find it telling that yet another thread that has little to nothing to do with politics, that it's the Cons who start the 'I hate Liberals' BS in a thread that has nothing to do with Liberals or Conservatives since both are the blame for the HUGE MIC.

Oh,well it's a daily thing here now.
 
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I think a worse problem is the liberal Ideological Complex.
The Liberal Ideological Complex | The Weekly Standard
n 1961 President Dwight Eisenhower warned of the danger of a military-industrial complex. This powerful public-private collaboration, he said, had the potential to exert "unwarranted influence" over America's democratic processes. A half-century later, there are still those on the left who cling to this fear. But it seems that Eisenhower's warning had its intended effect—and perhaps then some. In 1961 defense spending constituted 9.1 percent of the gross domestic product, and there were 2,483,000 uniformed military personnel. Today, defense spending is 3.2 percent of GDP and 1,390,000 men and women serve in the uniformed military. If this behemoth is threatening America's democratic processes, it is not doing so very successfully.

There is, however, another interlocking public-private collaboration that is at once more insidious, more powerful, and more straightforwardly partisan: the liberal ideological complex. We do not always see this collaboration so clearly, because we tend to view each aspect of it as unique and not part of a larger picture. We look, for example, at public sector unions as a labor issue. We look at funding for Planned Parenthood through the lens of abortion policy. We look at EPA regulations and grants in terms of global warming and job destruction. And so on and so forth, down to the smallest, most narrowly tailored grant awards of the federal government.

If, in fact, "The Liberal Ideological Complex" poses a serious problem AND Republicans represent an anti-Liberal ideology, then in light of the current disproportionate share of elected Republican Office Holders across all levels of government, can you agree that for the time being Republicans have taken a giant step in dis-empowering "The Liberal Ideological Complex"?
 
If, in fact, "The Liberal Ideological Complex" poses a serious problem AND Republicans represent an anti-Liberal ideology, then in light of the current disproportionate share of elected Republican Office Holders across all levels of government, can you agree that for the time being Republicans have taken a giant step in dis-empowering "The Liberal Ideological Complex"?

No . I cannot agree with that. This article is talking about the Federal Gov't and no such dis-empowering has taken place.

At the local level-almost every big city is run by Democrats and it's much worse there. Democrats handing out favors to other Democrats in return for votes at the expense of good governance.
 
Anyone Notice a pattern here?
"Zero Hedge" link and empty "Thoughts". Six OPs in a row.
Get a new source.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

Zero Hedge is an English-language financial blog that aggregates news and presents editorial opinions from original and outside sources. The news portion of the site is written by a group of editors who collectively write under the Pseudonym "Tyler Durden" (a character from the novel and film Fight Club).

Critics assert that Zero Hedge's content is Conspiratorial, Anti-establishment, and Economically pessimistic,[3] and has been criticized for presenting Extreme and sometimes pro-Russian views.[1][4][5]
[......]
In 2009, shortly after the blog was founded, news reports identified Daniel Ivandjiiski, a Bulgarian-born former hedge-fund analyst who was Barred from the industry for Insider Trading by FINRA in 2008, as the Founder of the site, and reported that "Durden" was a Pseudonym for Ivandjiisk..."

More in link.
slash/trash

That video isn't Eisenhower? Zerohedge should be castigated for making that fake video.

Really?
 
That video isn't Eisenhower? Zerohedge should be castigated for making that fake video.
Really?

So because of the source of the link...you just disregard the speech (which is the point of the thread)?
I am guessing you are FAR more about style than substance.
And btw, it is not 6 in a row. Close, but not in a row.
And I must say, you must have one bizarre crush on me to be following me around like this.
Creepy man...may I suggest you find something else...like a life?
Welcome to my Ignore List...your apparent obsession with me is just too weird.
Bu bye now.
Too Weird indeed.
I was suggesting YOU find something else, like a different Link or Life.
Instead of being the Gloom report for a Wack Job propaganda site always painting the USA doom scenario.
That goes goes for all the other ""shoot the messenger" responses here as well.

It was NOT about One string.
It was about DA60's SAME "Creepy" Link (and "thoughts?") being SPAMMED in SIX of the top 9 OPs in this section, when I responded to all of Them/Plural... and their "Creepy" Totality.
 
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No . I cannot agree with that. This article is talking about the Federal Gov't and no such dis-empowering has taken place.

At the local level-almost every big city is run by Democrats and it's much worse there. Democrats handing out favors to other Democrats in return for votes at the expense of good governance.

Thanks Klattu for your candor. You referenced an article written by a neo-conservative advocate and corporate lobbyist for the neo-conservative weekly Standard. In spite of this, I held out hope you would tone down the partisan rhetoric. I now know better.
 
'In his farewell address to the nation 56 years ago, President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned the American people for the first time to keep a careful eye on what he called the "military-industrial complex" that had developed in the post-World War II years. Fiscally conservative Eisenhower had been concerned about the growing size and cost of the American defense establishment since he became president in 1953, and as History.com notes, in his last presidential address to the American people, he expressed those concerns in terms that shocked many of his listeners.'



56 Years Ago Today, Eisenhower Warned Americans Of "The Unwarranted Influence" Of The Deep State | Zero Hedge


Unfortunately, not enough people took it to heart.


Thoughts?


Eisenhower was the very last of the Great Republicans. Unfortunately for US, "capital" pretty much runs our system and our constitutional checks and balances are given the reigns over these wild black horses. For US it has become a double edge sword of - jobs, defense and policy: too big to fail.

Eisenhower knew very well the evil that exists in the M.I.C., he worked hand in hand with it all his adult life and made decisions for it. Time IS a bandit however and steals the wisdom of experience and replaces it with instant gratification. As a civilization, we are beholden to money: money is the beginning and end of all wars, and as long as we think that way, the MIC will lead US and continue to steal our potential.
 
Too Weird indeed.
I was suggesting YOU find something else, like a different Link or Life.
Instead of being the Gloom report for a Wack Job propaganda site always painting the USA doom scenario.
That goes goes for all the other ""shoot the messenger" responses here as well.

It was NOT about One string.
It was about DA60's SAME "Creepy" Link (and "thoughts?") being SPAMMED in SIX of the top 9 OPs in this section, when I responded to all of Them/Plural... and their "Creepy" Totality.

We get it, you have a hard on for DA60. You going to address the topic?
 
Thanks Klattu for your candor. You referenced an article written by a neo-conservative advocate and corporate lobbyist for the neo-conservative weekly Standard. In spite of this, I held out hope you would tone down the partisan rhetoric. I now know better.

thank you for your kind and very substantive rebuttal of the points made in the article !

Just by using the terms coprporate lobbyist and neoconservative you rendered the whole thing irrrelevant. Excellent work! ;)
 
The point of this thread is the Eisenhower speech.
Just because Zero Hedge is talking about the speech does not mean the speech never happened.

That's part of the point people have when dismissing alternative news. You won't hear any of the MSM celebrating this anneversary, probably because they're acting under direct orders of the CIA. Make sure that the people are ignorant of the warnings of the Military Industrial COmplex. Alternative news are often the only ones to address key issues. It was The National Inquirer that broke the story about John Edward's infidelity. The MSM had the story for weeks but were sitting on it, and trying to hide it from the American people. You can't trust the MSM.

The MSM and the CIA are working together to mislead the public and that is what makes Eisenhower's words more important now than ever before.
 
thank you for your kind and very substantive rebuttal of the points made in the article !

Just by using the terms coprporate lobbyist and neoconservative you rendered the whole thing irrrelevant. Excellent work! ;)

Bravo Klattu! You pivoted from the OP topic "Ike warns us about the MIC 56 years ago in a Farewell Speech" to "the real danger lies with Liberal Complex Ideology". You support your view with a hit piece written by a RWN for a RWN media outlet. I skimmed the entire article. On page one, Jeff Bergner, an absolute RWN Blowhard, blames both major parties for not stopping entrenched self-serving Federal Government unions from not usurping taxpayer funds for their liberal agenda. On page two, Jeff Bergner goes on to say the noble Right Wing stays clear of impropriety... instead, receives their funding through private donors and corporations. Hooray for the Citizens United decision! You Klutto remain hopelessly biased. Make sure to never touch a homeless person.
 
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