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Why Lefties fear Trump

trouble13 said:
Yes your right i believe natural market prices would drive prices down from their overinflated costs.

The rub to that id exactly what you stated. Preventative healthcare would decline and so would the pace of medical developments. Those are some costs that come with cheaper healthcare. Medicine prices and services would decrease and costs would decrease with it to try entice customers to use their products. Its not a perfect solution but i feel like its the better solution to what we currently have.

3rd party payers are causing people to abuse the system. People are being excessive and extrazagant in their demands and its driving prices and profits up.

We need to find a sustem that delivers adequate healthcare for reasonable prices. Imo there is a common ground that can ne found to deliver this.

1. Treat healthcare industry the same as we treat mo opolies and utility companies. Make them justify their costs to the gov (total contradiction for me but necesarry evil here).

2. Open up pharmacists to allow them to write scripts for people on certain drugs. If i have a cold, instead of clogging up a doctors office let me go to the pharmcy and pick up some antibiotics and cough syrup.

3. Invest tax money in training doctors in exchange for keeping their school costs down they agree to volunteer their time in state run clinics that operate at a nonprofit level to help the poor.

I think there are ways to get away from the traditional i.surance based model. Also something yo consider is the money the employers and employees pay to these companies can be freed up to go to the employees so they have more money to afford medical costs. It does however involve a certain amount of personal discipline to keeping that money available for when its needed.



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No. 2 is an idea that has been raised a few times. It might be a good idea but it would save only a tiny fraction of health care spending. No. 3 is being implemented in some rural states. As I recll the state provides some training. The Doc must work in the state for a given no. of years.

Most of health care spending is consumed by the elderly so if you want to do anything dramatic about health care spending, you might urge the fed. gov't to send everyone over 65 to Mexico for old age/end of life care. In exchange we could keep some of their young families- a trade for our overly expensive elderly. Um is there an emoticon that says 'black humor"?
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Really, though. The "personal responsibility" thing that is endlessly tossed around among conservatives makes me irritated. It is paired with " ..and I don't want the gov't deciding which drugs I can have or whether I can have a heart replacement when I am 80. The gov't better not tax junk food ..". In other words, they want everything the health care system has to offer, right to the bitter end. And that kind of care costs a whole lot of money. You may pay more than you wish but you have a shot at a long life with excellent old age care.
 
DamnYankee said:
It could be leftists fear DJT because he will be a great president. They know it and therefore yearn for Play-Doh and a safe space.

Just a guess. But ONE MORE DAY, and we can say good bye to BO.
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if i believed he would be great id have voted for him try again
 
Mr Person said:
Well, you see, I'm just an inferior race....a lowly liberal just trying to understand what your lordship is saying. I wanted to make sure that you would hate all conservatives if I found two videos of conservatives being morons, just like you hated all liberals because of two liberals being morons.

The answer is "no, double-standards rule," I take it?
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I do not hate anyone, sport. I don't even hate "Hussein" Obama. However I will call out idiots no matter what side of the political coin they fall on. And there were a lot more then two videos. And having witnessed presidential campaigns going all the way back to Carter/Ford, I have never witnessed the whining and wailing and violent demonstrating that has gone on since Hillary Von Pant Suit's defeat.
 
blarg said:
if i believed he would be great id have voted for him try again
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ROTFL. No I wouldn't suspect you would. After all he isn't a leftist and has no intention of turning the nation into a socialist sh*thole.
 
DamnYankee said:
ROTFL. No I wouldn't suspect you would. After all he isn't a leftist and has no intention of turning the nation into a socialist sh*thole.
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salty but much mroe accurate this time well done
 
EvMetro said:
Looks like you have something in common with righties. I just posted about how lefties fear Trump because he said he was going to be the best jobs president that God ever created, and you agreed with me when you opted to derail the thread instead of disputing what I wrote. I am glad to see that you have agreed with the OP.
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How long before you start posting the meme that "Presidents don't create jobs" that we heard from the right for the entire Bush administration? How many jobs will be lost from the Trillion $ cut in the 2017 budget?
 
iguanaman said:
How long before you start posting the meme that "Presidents don't create jobs" that we heard from the right for the entire Bush administration? How many jobs will be lost from the Trillion $ cut in the 2017 budget?
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While Trump has in fact created about 34,000 jobs, you are quite correct that he can no longer do this as president. Since he has in fact created 34,000 jobs as a civilian business man, I suspect that he will know how to use this knowledge to help create optimum conditions for jobs to be created by those who actually do the hiring and job creating. People can't really lose jobs if they get cut from unneeded government jobs. Unnecessary government jobs that can be cut were just welfare anyway.

BTW, here is the CNN link to the 34,000 jobs that Trump has created, which is roughly 34,000 more than Hillary or Obama have ever created:
Donald Trump has created about 34,000 jobs - Sep. 3, 2015

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iguanaman said:
How long before you start posting the meme that "Presidents don't create jobs" that we heard from the right for the entire Bush administration? How many jobs will be lost from the Trillion $ cut in the 2017 budget?
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Ok, it looks like I got it right in post 82 then. Glad to see that you get it now.
 
DamnYankee said:
Leftists fear DJT because they know they have lost control.
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Yup.

Leftists have lost control of their propaganda organ, namely the left stream media, in that Trump has this little old Twitter account which by passes their 'reality bias filter for the stupid masses'. You've heard on more than one occasion it being claimed that 'reality has a liberal bias', and now it's pretty clear why.

That they've lost control of the leftist media's influence on the electorate certainly is a great threat to them. Expect torrents of fake news and fauxoutrage in an attempt to drowned out the real news, attempting to reassert their control. It may or may not work. I certainly hope not.
 
eohrnberger said:
Yup.

Leftists have lost control of their propaganda organ, namely the left stream media, in that Trump has this little old Twitter account which by passes their 'reality bias filter for the stupid masses'. You've heard on more than one occasion it being claimed that 'reality has a liberal bias', and now it's pretty clear why.

That they've lost control of the leftist media's influence on the electorate certainly is a great threat to them. Expect torrents of fake news and fauxoutrage in an attempt to drowned out the real news, attempting to reassert their control. It may or may not work. I certainly hope not.
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I think lefties are starting to wake up to the problem with lefty media. They don't know how to go around it yet, but they are starting to see the flaws in what they have.
 
Why lefties fear Trump? Could it be because Trump is a true believer in public service (rather than self service at the public expense).

Swearing-in of White House Staff
President Trump and Vice President Pence spoke at a ceremony for the swearing-in of White House staff.
The president in his remarks previewed his schedule for the upcoming week, which included a visit in Washington with British Prime Minister Theresa May.
January 22, 2017
https://www.c-span.org/video/?422460-1/white-house-staff-sworn-vice-president-pence

As I said during the inaugural address, this is not about party or ideology. This is about country, our country. It is about serving the American people.
[applause]

We are not here to help ourselves. We're here to devote ourselves to the national good. Public service is a high and great calling. It is our solemn duty to gather to protect the country, our country, this great, great country, to defend its workers and promote the well-being of all America.

So many people are depending on us. And on you, families, on you as people who will get it done. So many people. The veteran's. The unemployed. Men and women serving in harm's way overseas. Victims of crime. And young Americans looking to fulfill their James. So many of those young Americans. And they are going to be fulfilling their James. We will make it much easier for them. We will face many challenges but with a faith in each other, and faith in god, we will get the to -- get the job done. We will prove worthy of this moment in history. I think it may well be a great moment in history. So be proud. Be very proud.
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I dunno. It could all be hyperbole and that he doesn't mean it, but I suspect not.
 
eohrnberger said:
Why lefties fear Trump? Could it be because Trump is a true believer in public service (rather than self service at the public expense).



I dunno. It could all be hyperbole and that he doesn't mean it, but I suspect not.
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He's been caught in lies so often that I can't imagine how you can determine which particular statement of his he actually means.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
He's been caught in lies so often that I can't imagine how you can determine which particular statement of his he actually means.
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If that's the measure, I suppose it'd be fair to apply it to others as well?
 
DifferentDrummr said:
If by that you mean that we shouldn't take everything a public figure says on blind faith, then yes.
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Fair enough.

Calls to question what the previous administration's lying. But then, I think that there's far too much lying that the elected do, and I think it's wrong. There's a difference between not answering a question, not having an answer, not wanting to answer a particular question for any number of reasons, and what seems to be the more frequent out right deceit.
 
Captain America said:
I work 3 jobs. About 60 hours a week worth. Been like that most of my life.

Some were better than others and some didn't suck.

Rewards were plentiful I suppose. I have enjoyed a measurable degree of satisfaction in my work. I have not one single reason, job-wise, to complain, compared to most other people. No ****. My job is THAT awesome (as far as jobs go.)

All that being said......................

Unless my next job is catching speckled trout while drinking Corona and smoking a fatty, on the boat, with a 25 year old hottie in a skimpy thong, then I will most likely go to my grave thinking that having a job sucks.
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Forget the thong, the Corona, the dope... Nothing beats casting to a rising trout... Except the moment it strikes and you feel the life on the other end of the line... It comes up the line, down the rod, and increases your life as you bring it towards you... Then, if you're lucky, you can unhook it, hold it facing upstream til its life is restored... It swims away, and there is a net gain to the life force...

Of course, you can eat it, too.
 
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