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Mycroft said:
I don't know where you got all of your information from, but you seem to have left out quite a bit of the whole thing.

1. That British investigator wasn't just hired by the GOP Elites, but also by the Hillary campaign.

2. That British investigator didn't give the info to the US Government. He gave it to McCain, who is one of the GOP Elite, who then passed it on to the government.

3. The information wasn't just given to the GOP Elites, it was also given to the Hillary campaign and the left-wing media. All of those people declined to reveal it because it was unverified.

4. Mother Jones, back in July, only made an oblique reference to some damaging information but didn't reveal what it was. The matter was soon forgotten.

5. The information was mentioned in the briefing for the purpose of showing Trump what kinds of information they get...in this case, information that cannot be verified and should not be included in any analysis.

6. There was no FOIA source for that information. Everyone already knew it. The agencies were not required to give it to the public...but someone in some agency involved in the briefing leaked that the information was talked about. The interesting thing is, though, the leaked information that CNN got from their "unnamed source" wasn't complete nor accurate. CNN ran with it anyway. They spread lies.

7. Trump started tweeting about the issue AFTER CNN and Buzzfeed spread this inaccurate and unverified information and leaked, erroneous information about what happened during a classified intelligence briefing. Both news organizations were guilty of reporting and spreading fake news. And yes, that angered Trump and he spanked both organizations...rightly so...in his press conference.

8. Trump was not wrong in determining that the leak was from someone associated with his classified intelligence briefing...even if the information, itself, was not classified. The fact is, someone in the intelligence community is playing political games. They should not be doing that. It's not their job.

I suspect the intelligence community now realize that their ploy backfired and, sometime after next Friday, they are in for a world of hurt...as they deserve.
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Without commenting on your other points, that I bolded above is inaccurate, and it was Trump that lied by conflating CNN with Buzzfeed's document. It was a despicable act, and further more heinous by Trump's refusal to acknowledge CNN after his lie. He knew he couldn't stand-up to their rebuttal. He dismissed them, because he had just lied.

CNN accurately reported and characterized the two page report the CIA presented to Trump last Friday, and further refused report the details of the Buzzfeed report due to it being unconfirmed.

Here's what CNN printed:

"CNN has reviewed a 35-page compilation of the memos, from which the two-page synopsis was drawn. The memos have since been published by Buzzfeed. The memos originated as opposition research, first commissioned by anti-Trump Republicans, and later by Democrats. At this point, CNN is not reporting on details of the memos, as it has not independently corroborated the specific allegations. But, in preparing this story, CNN has spoken to multiple high ranking intelligence, administration, congressional and law enforcement officials, as well as foreign officials and others in the private sector with direct knowledge of the memos.
Russia denies having "Kompromat" on Donald Tump"

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Here's the original article:

Intel chiefs presented Trump with claims of Russian efforts to compromise him
 
Mycroft said:
I don't know where you got all of your information from, but you seem to have left out quite a bit of the whole thing.

1. That British investigator wasn't just hired by the GOP Elites, but also by the Hillary campaign.

2. That British investigator didn't give the info to the US Government. He gave it to McCain, who is one of the GOP Elite, who then passed it on to the government.

3. The information wasn't just given to the GOP Elites, it was also given to the Hillary campaign and the left-wing media. All of those people declined to reveal it because it was unverified.

4. Mother Jones, back in July, only made an oblique reference to some damaging information but didn't reveal what it was. The matter was soon forgotten.

5. The information was mentioned in the briefing for the purpose of showing Trump what kinds of information they get...in this case, information that cannot be verified and should not be included in any analysis.

6. There was no FOIA source for that information. Everyone already knew it. The agencies were not required to give it to the public...but someone in some agency involved in the briefing leaked that the information was talked about. The interesting thing is, though, the leaked information that CNN got from their "unnamed source" wasn't complete nor accurate. CNN ran with it anyway. They spread lies.

7. Trump started tweeting about the issue AFTER CNN and Buzzfeed spread this inaccurate and unverified information and leaked, erroneous information about what happened during a classified intelligence briefing. Both news organizations were guilty of reporting and spreading fake news. And yes, that angered Trump and he spanked both organizations...rightly so...in his press conference.

8. Trump was not wrong in determining that the leak was from someone associated with his classified intelligence briefing...even if the information, itself, was not classified. The fact is, someone in the intelligence community is playing political games. They should not be doing that. It's not their job.

I suspect the intelligence community now realize that their ploy backfired and, sometime after next Friday, they are in for a world of hurt...as they deserve.
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wrong.... He was not hired by Hillary first. He was hired by GOP group, then Hillary campaign also Paid to get that information as well. But initially he was Hired by GOP group.

Also no leak, but in the light of information the intelligence office has the constitutional duty to warn the president elect that he might be targeted for BlackMail. Only Trump can verify the information. And since the information is not classified and was shared with both Presidents, Press and People have the right to know

Diving Mullah
 
Diving Mullah said:
wrong.... He was not hired by Hillary first. He was hired by GOP group, then Hillary campaign also Paid to get that information as well. But initially he was Hired by GOP group.
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Your objection is noted...and dismissed. I did not say the investigator was hired by "Hillary first".

Also no leak, but in the light of information the intelligence office has the constitutional duty to warn the president elect that he might be targeted for BlackMail. Only Trump can verify the information. And since the information is not classified and was shared with both Presidents, Press and People have the right to know

Diving Mullah
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1. The lead was information about what transpired during a classified intelligence briefing. So, yes...there was a leak and it was the action of someone who took part in that briefing.

2. The press already knew of the information...as did many others. They could have released that information to the public at any time. They didn't because everyone knew it was bogus information. Perhaps you should complain to the press, eh?
 
RickJames3000 said:
No. I've never bragged about sexually assaulting women.
Maybe you should hang out with different men if that is normal for you.
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Maybe you should pay attention to what was being said... because you would have had to have heard some of it to make this false, stupid comment, but obviously you didn't pay attention.

Because you don't sexually assault the sexually willing. Since you're judging entirely on the braggadocio - and he thought private - claim and have only it to go by, then you have no basis for this "assault" business.
 
JayDubya said:
Maybe you should pay attention to what was being said... because you would have had to have heard some of it to make this false, stupid comment, but obviously you didn't pay attention.

Because you don't sexually assault the sexually willing. Since you're judging entirely on the braggadocio - and he thought private - claim and have only it to go by, then you have no basis for this "assault" business.
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Well, I do know that's the sexual predator apologist's version of the story.
If I was part of the Trump Cult, I'd want to run with that interpretation as well.
 
Chomsky said:
Without commenting on your other points, that I bolded above is inaccurate, and it was Trump that lied by conflating CNN with Buzzfeed's document. It was a despicable act, and further more heinous by Trump's refusal to acknowledge CNN after his lie. He knew he couldn't stand-up to their rebuttal. He dismissed them, because he had just lied.

CNN accurately reported and characterized the two page report the CIA presented to Trump last Friday, and further refused report the details of the Buzzfeed report due to it being unconfirmed.

Here's what CNN printed:

"CNN has reviewed a 35-page compilation of the memos, from which the two-page synopsis was drawn. The memos have since been published by Buzzfeed. The memos originated as opposition research, first commissioned by anti-Trump Republicans, and later by Democrats. At this point, CNN is not reporting on details of the memos, as it has not independently corroborated the specific allegations. But, in preparing this story, CNN has spoken to multiple high ranking intelligence, administration, congressional and law enforcement officials, as well as foreign officials and others in the private sector with direct knowledge of the memos.
Russia denies having "Kompromat" on Donald Tump"

*bolding mine

Here's the original article:

Intel chiefs presented Trump with claims of Russian efforts to compromise him
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CNN LIE #1 – President-elect Donald Trump was never briefed on the allegations that Russian intelligence services have collected compromising information on him, according to NBC and Trump’s transition team.

CNN LIE #2 – Officials prepared a two-page summary of unverified reports that have been circulating Capitol Hill for months in advance of their Friday meeting with Trump, an intelligence official told NBC, but never discussed it with him.

CNN LIE #3 – The briefing was shared with Trump verbally, the report said, and no documents were left with the president-elect.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...-are-fake-news-nbc-confirms-cnn-is-fake-news/


But hey...you are free to prefer CNN's unnamed sources over the word of NBC's unnamed sources or Trump's personal denial.
 
RickJames3000 said:
No. I've never bragged about sexually assaulting women.
Maybe you should hang out with different men if that is normal for you.
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He didnt brag about sexually assaulting women. You should have paid more attention in school.
 
JayDubya said:
That's the version you're judging him on! For ****'s sake.
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You mean the interpretive version that takes Trump at his own word when he says he sexually assaults women... and the one that has been confirmed by his multiple victims?
Yes, of course that's what I'm judging him on.
 
MaggieD said:
He didnt brag about sexually assaulting women. You should have paid more attention in school.
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Keep telling yourself that. Keep excusing Dear Leader. That will get you far.

What is this business about school? What are you on about now?
 
RickJames3000 said:
You mean the interpretive version that takes Trump at his own word when he says he sexually assaults women... and the one that has been confirmed by his multiple victims?
Yes, of course that's what I'm judging him on.
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The version where Trump says women love men with money and power and want to be grabbed? Yes, that is the basis for your "assault" claims. :roll:
 
JayDubya said:
The version where Trump says women love men with money and power and want to be grabbed? Yes, that is the basis for your "assault" claims. :roll:
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So, in your world, all women want men with money to grab them by the ***** :roll:


That does explain much. Totally.
 
JayDubya said:
The version where Trump says women love men with money and power and want to be grabbed? Yes, that is the basis for your "assault" claims. :roll:
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Seems to me that there were at least ten of his victims that would disagree with your take on it. I would tend to give their first hand accounts more credibility than yours.
 
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RickJames3000 said:
Seems to me that there were at least ten of his victims that would disagree with your take on it. I would tend to give their first hand accounts more credibility than yours.
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The ones who came out of the woodwork at the last minute many years later during a presidential campaign and then vanished into the ether? Those claimants you mean, and their conveniently timed allegations?
 
JayDubya said:
The ones who came out of the woodwork at the last minute many years later during a presidential campaign and then vanished into the ether? Those claimants you mean, and their conveniently timed allegations?
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Sure... The same ones Trump claimed would be sued for defamation of character.
They shouldn't be very hard to find for a determined sheriff or process server with a summons in hand.
Trump hasn't mentioned having any difficulty tracking the women down. I wonder what the holdup is.
 
They say it's better to be pissed off than pissed on. Trump may disagree that they are not equally appealing.
 
RickJames3000 said:
Sure... The same ones Trump claimed would be sued for defamation of character.
They shouldn't be very hard to find for a determined sheriff or process server with a summons in hand.
Trump hasn't mentioned having any difficulty tracking the women down. I wonder what the holdup is.
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Since those gold diggers failed, he can afford to be magnanimous. Besides, he has more pressing and important issues to deal with than swatting ****-sniffing flies.
 
Mycroft said:
Since those gold diggers failed, he can afford to be magnanimous. Besides, he has more pressing and important issues to deal with than swatting ****-sniffing flies.
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Sounds like convenient justification to me.
 
Mycroft said:
Sounds like you have no cogent or reasoned rebuttal to me.
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Your fawning defense of Dear Leader reeks of desperation. Did you ever anticipate becoming a slavish sycophant for a reality television star? How will you retain your pride twisting yourself into knots, trying to justify another man's lies as long as he holds office? I think you'll be only a husk of a man in short time.


""Every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign," Trump said during remarks in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. "Total fabrication. The events never happened. Never. All of these liars will be sued after the election is over."

Donald Trump says he'll sue sexual misconduct accusers - CNNPolitics.com
 
RickJames3000 said:
~Sorry, but your deliberate inflammatory rhetoric has no effect on me...I just snip it, dismiss it and move on...though I would caution you to temper your words. I have my limits.~


""Every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign," Trump said during remarks in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania. "Total fabrication. The events never happened. Never. All of these liars will be sued after the election is over."

Donald Trump says he'll sue sexual misconduct accusers - CNNPolitics.com
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shrug...

Like every cowardly rat, when one threatens them...they run. That's what happened here. Those women ran.
 
TheGoverness said:
Until any of that stuff in that 35-page memo can be verified, I will remain skeptical.

It's the most reasonable position to take on this, IMO.
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What wouldn't be responsible would be publishing anything which is little more than gossip, innuendo and defamation without evidence. It’s on par with the question “How long since you’ve stopped beating your wife”. It’s on par with the likes of The National Inquirer. Especially so when publishing it for the sole purpose of destroying someone.How would

How would you like it if something similar were published by BuzzFeed and you were at the center of it?
 
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