Founder of the Democratic Party

Perotista said:

There was a time when the Democratic Party was known as the big tent party which encompassed almost every political persuasion imaginable. But the Democratic Party has gone off on their tangent of representing the far extreme left, minorities, gays, etc and it does seems, have forgotten about the working class.

That probably cost Clinton the states of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. According to the exit polls, Hillary won the union household vote by 8 points. But that is down from 18 points Obama beat Romney by. Working class, even the union vote is not automatically Democratic anymore. I have no way to prove this, but if one took the public unions out of the picture, I would bet Trump won the union vote from private unions that do not represent government employees.

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With data missing for only KS, NC, and FL, trump won 203 CDs compared to 188 for Clinton. Diving further, 20 CDs were won by HRC and a GOP rep whereas 12 were won by trump and a DEM rep, showing at least 32 'soft' or 'battleground' CDs for 2018. DEMs need to flip 24 for control.

Adding in 60 for trump for his 30 states and 40 for HRC gives 263-231. Better than what I expected for HRC and reason enough for the GOP to not go in this direction but Priebus says it's still on the table.

In CA, 7 GOP reps had their CD won by HRC. 3 in TX.

A bad state for DEMs could be MN, where 3 DEMs had their CD won by trump while one GOP rep had his CD won by HRC.

The real story, though, is what is happening at the state legislative and governor levels in the next two terms for the 2021 remaps .

GottaGo said:

POV. It's all about POV.

Obama never faced what Trump has been facing and will face. Obama had his own 'failures', one would think Trump will too.

Let's give him actual time in the Presidential seat before we kick him in the shins, shall we?

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Obama faced false-equivalence and unanimous obstruction from 11/4/2008 on.

Sorry, I'm not as forgiving as you are, since this obstruction and smear mongering gave the GOP the current triumvirate they have .

NIMBY said:

With data missing for only KS, NC, and FL, trump won 203 CDs compared to 188 for Clinton. Diving further, 20 CDs were won by HRC and a GOP rep whereas 12 were won by trump and a DEM rep, showing at least 32 'soft' or 'battleground' CDs for 2018. DEMs need to flip 24 for control.

Adding in 60 for trump for his 30 states and 40 for HRC gives 263-231. Better than what I expected for HRC and reason enough for the GOP to not go in this direction but Priebus says it's still on the table.

In CA, 7 GOP reps had their CD won by HRC. 3 in TX.

A bad state for DEMs could be MN, where 3 DEMs had their CD won by trump while one GOP rep had his CD won by HRC.

The real story, though, is what is happening at the state legislative and governor levels in the next two terms for the 2021 remaps .

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You're way into that much more than I am. The 2020 census and those elections are four years away and won't be effecting any election until at least 2022. Perhaps looking at the 2018 senate election is more in my line, 25 Democrats vs. 8 Republicans. I can see four, maybe five pickups for the Republicans depending on how Trump governs. How many voters he peeves off. Donnelly, McCaskill, Tester, Heitkamp are all possibilities. Then Heller in Nevada could be in real trouble and a possible Dem pick up. I would put Baldwin in Wisconsin as up in the air. But this is just a quick glance and at least a year or more too early to have anything concrete. What happens all depends on how Trump is viewed come 2018.

The GOP is over extended in the house. They lost six seats this last election, but they won the total congressional vote 49.1% to 48.0%. I expected the Republicans to lose at least 10 and perhaps as many as 15. So instead of needing 30 as in this last election, the Dems need 24 seats to take control of the house. That is doable. The question is come 2018 is how independents view Donald Trump and if he screwed up or not. Trump won the independent vote over Clinton 46-42 with 12% voting third party. But indies can be very finicky.

In 2006 when the Democrats took back congress, independents voted 57-39 for the Democratic candidates. In 2010 when the GOP retook the house, independents went Republican 55-41. That is quite a large swing when we are talking 35% or perhaps more of the electorate. If Gallup is correct about party affiliation being pretty much even, 29% Democrat, 28% Republican, independents will make all the difference. Still way too early for any predictions, but just keep an eye on independents.

Caesar salad has nothing to do with any of the Caesars. It was invented in a bar in Tijuana in the 1920's.

NIMBY said:

You didn't answer my question as to whether Andrew Jackson would have smeared the memories of USA Prisoners of War.

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I'm sure he would have if the PoW in question insulted him and his supporters. In fact, by all accounts, if the PoW said what McCain did Jackson would probably have run him through with a sword.

Your thread comparing trump to Jackson is a complete failure as pointed out by other posters.

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The judgment of you and your comrades on that isn't worth a cup of spit, but thanks for your comment.

You would have done better comparing trump to Nixon .

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No, I don't see the parallel there at all. Can you elucidate?