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"Gaslighting"

No one said it was new.

But a shockingly (and depressingly) large group of Americans are seemingly unaware of his lies and denials. They've closed themselves off from alternative narratives.
I keep hoping for the best and that they're intentionally being obtuse, maybe out of pride or desperation or something, but I am seriously starting to wonder. Maybe it's natural.
 
And he's very good at it. But it makes it easier for him to get away with this stuff because his supporters will excuse and defend any thing he does, and any lie he tells.

I am convinced he can literally shot someone on 5th ave. AND his cult like followers will still defend and excuse him. We see this type of behavior from his supporters daily.

It's dangerous as hell though. Let an egomaniac like Trump feel there will be no consequences to his actions? That's dangerous as hell!!

Relevant to the thread, he could shoot someone on 5th Ave on live television, then he and his followers would deny it happened.
 
I think many of us wanted to believe that people are better than that... and this last election campaign, and Trump most notably... made it impossible to ignore that so many people really are that gullible.

Trump: Says 'x'.
Trump: I never said that.
Someone else: Yes, you did, it's on video.
Trump: I never said that.
Trump Sucker: He never said that.

Yet it's on video.

Oh, that makes the head hurt. :doh

No one said it was new.

But a shockingly (and depressingly) large group of Americans are seemingly unaware of his lies and denials. They've closed themselves off from alternative narratives.

The number is fairly close to or at 100% of people.
It's not shocking that most people believe stuff that either has, no basis in fact, can't be proven and this is not new.
Never has been and will unlikely be for the foreseeable future

If Trump never existed, that would not change.
The human brain did not evolve to accurately gauge truth from not truth.
 
The number is fairly close to or at 100% of people.
It's not shocking that most people believe stuff that either has, no basis in fact, can't be proven and this is not new.
Never has been and will unlikely be for the foreseeable future

If Trump never existed, that would not change.
The human brain did not evolve to accurately gauge truth from not truth.
Correct. Trump made it impossible for us to ignore anymore.
 
I keep hoping for the best and that they're intentionally being obtuse, maybe out of pride or desperation or something, but I am seriously starting to wonder. Maybe it's natural.

It's really shocking for me. When President Obama lies, i get mad at President Obama. When Trump lies, they get mad at us for telling them.

I honestly don't understand how their brain operates. I don't think they all intend to be dishonest, so wtf is it?
 
The number is fairly close to or at 100% of people.
It's not shocking that most people believe stuff that either has, no basis in fact, can't be proven and this is not new.
Never has been and will unlikely be for the foreseeable future

If Trump never existed, that would not change.
The human brain did not evolve to accurately gauge truth from not truth.

I'm well aware that we're not always right, that's not the issue.

The issue is the brazen denial of the plain truth in defiant opposition to the overwhelming unanimity of actual evidence.
 
I'm well aware that we're not always right, that's not the issue.

The issue is the brazen denial of the plain truth in defiant opposition to the overwhelming unanimity of actual evidence.

Again this is most/majority/all people.
I don't know you well enough to say what, but I know that both you and I probably believe stuff that is factually bull crap.
We will both likely dismiss it out of hand and not accept it.

What that is I'm not sure.
In my opinion, we're not that far advanced as we like to believe and are little better than our forebears 1000-2000 years ago.
 
Yeah, it sounds familiar. It sounds like THE NEWS MEDIA.

But since you seem to think it applies to Donald Trump, how about less flapping fingers and a some examples?

Example number 1) He gives Kennedy the impression about heading up a commission on the safety of vaccines, and when Kennedy says something, claims he is 'only exploring the option'.

THe diversionary tactic of the statement “I’ve never said I’m a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that I’m not,” and the “I’m not proud of my locker room talk. But this world has serious problems.” (as if sexual assault is not serious)

Accusing someone of 'playing the woman card' or 'playing the race card' is also gaslighting.. and Trump did the accusation of 'playing the woman card' on a vast number of occasions.
 
It's really shocking for me. When President Obama lies, i get mad at President Obama. When Trump lies, they get mad at us for telling them.

I honestly don't understand how their brain operates. I don't think they all intend to be dishonest, so wtf is it?
They're doing the same thing they criticized Obama apologists for doing, wearing blinders and all, but on steroids.
 

Trump may have studied Putin for years to get ideas on how he would do this. I link to a documentary explaining all this here http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/275600-hypernormalisation-peek-into-strange-new-world-featuring-donald-trump.html

This is absolutely what he is doing, though it is nothing new. The right has been experimenting with abuser techniques for decades. "Blame the victim" is the technique we've most been familiar with recently.

Verbal and Emotional Abuse

Techniques of Emotional Abuse

The Overbearing Opinion–Another person refuses to consider your opinion and forces you to always accept his or here.
The Person Who is Always Right–Whenever there is a disagreement of any sort, this person always has to be right and have the last say.
The Put-Down Artist–The person who uses comments like “You’re crazy! How could anyone think such a stupid thing?” to devalue your decisions and feelings.

Techniques of the Verbal Abuser

Countering—-“By countering his partner, the verbal abuser is saying, I can think for both of us. What you think is wrong. What I think is right. If I can get you to doubt yourself, I can control you more easily. “
Discounting—-“By discounting his partner’s perceptions, the verbal abuser is saying, I can decree the worthlessness of your perceptions and actions. I am not accountable. I can stay in control.”
Blocking and diverting—-“By thwarting his partner, the verbal abuser is saying, I do not accept any responsibility to respond to you as a rational person, so I can change the conservation at will -I am in control.”
Accusing and blaming—-“By blaming his partner for his abuse of her, the verbal abuser is saying, You are to blame for your pain and for everything I say or do to you and for everything that isn’t the way I want it to be , so I do not have to stop my behavior. I’m in control.”
Judging and criticizing—-“By judging and criticizing his partner, the verbal abuser is saying, When I tell you what is wrong with your thoughts and actions, I put myself in charge of you and therefore in control of you.”
Trivializing—-“By pretending that his partner, or her actions or perceptions or opinions or thoughts or concerns, are less than they are, the verbal abuser is saying, When you see how insignificant you are, I will have more power over you.”
Undermining—-“By undermining his partner, the verbal abuser is saying, When I erode your confidence and lessen your determination, you are easier to control.”
Threatening—-“With this very obvious means of control, the verbal abuser is saying, I have Power Over you. I am in control. Do as I say. If you don’t, I’ll . . ., or if you don’t, you might get hurt – implying physical harm by a fit of rage or by an unspoken threat like punching the wall.”
Name calling—-“By calling names, the abuser is saying, You do not exist. You are annihilated, you are now BLANK. Now that you are wiped out, I’m in control, just like in a war.”
Forgetting—-“When the abuser regularly forgets appointments, agreements and/or incidents, he is saying, I’m in control of your time, energy, or reality and I don’t have to be accountable because I’m in control.”
Ordering and demanding—-“With these direct displays of control, the verbal abuser is saying, I have a right to assert Power Over you in an overt act of control. If all the other intimidating behaviors achieved my goal, you will do as I demand.”
Denial—-“By denying all of his abusive behavior, the abuser is saying, I can keep everything exactly as it is, with you under my control, and I will not be held accountable.”

And then of course classic bullying. https://www.stopbullying.gov/what-is-bullying/definition/

Verbal bullying is saying or writing mean things. Verbal bullying includes:
Teasing
Name-calling
Inappropriate sexual comments
Taunting
Social bullying, sometimes referred to as relational bullying, involves hurting someone’s reputation or relationships. Social bullying includes:
Leaving someone out on purpose
Telling other children not to be friends with someone
Spreading rumors about someone
Embarrassing someone in public
Making mean or rude hand gestures

I still have to laugh and shake my head when I stop for a reality check and realize that I just copy / pasted a list of bullying and abuser techniques to describe our new president... what has this come to
 
Again this is most/majority/all people.
I don't know you well enough to say what, but I know that both you and I probably believe stuff that is factually bull crap.
We will both likely dismiss it out of hand and not accept it.

What that is I'm not sure.
In my opinion, we're not that far advanced as we like to believe and are little better than our forebears 1000-2000 years ago.

Yeah i agree with this a lot actually. Our brains are far more primitive than we'd like to admit. So much of our underlying reasoning is actually based on instinct and emotion rather than logic and reason.
 
Yes, please.

You were responding to someone else, but since we previously had an exchange on the subject of Trump's lies, I'll jump in. This was before one of the debates.




Pretty much every single news outlet catalogs Trump's lies on a weekly basis; for example, a list with links to original sources: Donald Trump’s most likely debate lies.

Includes Trump's lies - with links to other sources - about:
- support for the Iraq war;
- reasons for not releasing tax returns;
- amounts given to charity and timing of gifts;
- that his assets would be in a 'blind trust' if elected;
- everything about "Trump University"
- all the lies surrounding his disgusting birtherism
- claim that Hillary advocates abolishing the 2nd Amd.
- Claim he never proposed a total ban on muslims entering the country
- claim he never suggested women who have an abortion should be punished
- claim he never said he's open to nuking ISIS
- claim he never said he'd pay the legal fees of a supporter who beats up a protester
- claim there could be 30 million illegals in the country
- claim that debates overlapping with games means the debates are rigged
- claim that the entire election is rigged against him
- claim that US is one of most taxed nations
- earlier claim that it is The most taxed nation
- claim that unemployment rate for black youth is 59%
- claim that unemployment rate is "as high as 42%"
- claim that inner-city crime is reaching record levels'
- claim that stop and frisk was a big success in NYC
- claim that black people love him
- claim that things have never been worse for blacks in America

Donald Trump’s most likely debate lies.





Please don't tell me the response will be "but that's the media so I won't read it" because I've seen that lame dodge used too many times by other Trump supporters, after they asked for links in the first place.
 
He sounds like a natural to be in the CIA. Those character traits fit the functional CIA profile exactly. That is why the CIA fears him. "Takes one to know one."

Just because you make crap up doesn't mean it's true. You know that right.
 
Trump is gaslighting America ? here's how to survive - Business Insider

Right now, many Americans listening to their president are experiencing what I experienced frequently a child.

Nothing means anything, and reality is being canceled. There is confusion, there is chaos, everything is upside down and inside out.

When facts and truth are being discredited, how is it possible to know what to believe, especially when it comes from someone we expect to embody both ethics and etiquette?


https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/here-there-and-everywhere/201701/gaslighting-know-it-and-identify-it-protect-yourself

11. They tell you everyone else is a liar.

By telling you that everyone else (your family, the media) is a liar, it again makes you question your reality. You've never known someone with the audacity to do this, so they must be telling the truth, right? No. It's a manipulation technique. It makes people turn to the gaslighter for the "correct" information—which isn't correct information at all.

The more you are aware of these techniques, the quicker you can identify them and avoid falling into the gaslighter's trap.


Trump: Epic Poster-boy For Gaslighter Of The Century
 
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