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What hold do the Russians or Putin have on Trump?

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I can not conceive anyone being so stupid as to believe what the Russians and Putin are telling Trump over our country's Spy agencies. I can only guess tha they have some hold over him. It might be some insider knowledge that could ruin him. It might actually be that he is a spy for the Russian. MY best guess is that he owes them so much money that they control hime through their business dealings with him. I may be wrong, but like I said, I can not understand any good reason why he is so ensnared by Putin.
 
You seem like a smart enough guy. Read youre own post, and think about it for a bit. If youre honest with yourself (which isnt easy) i think youll find your answer.
 
independentusa said:
I can not conceive anyone being so stupid as to believe what the Russians and Putin are telling Trump over our country's Spy agencies. I can only guess tha they have some hold over him. It might be some insider knowledge that could ruin him. It might actually be that he is a spy for the Russian. MY best guess is that he owes them so much money that they control hime through their business dealings with him. I may be wrong, but like I said, I can not understand any good reason why he is so ensnared by Putin.
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Putin probably has no hold. But Trump has to find a way out of the dead end he boxed himself into.
 
independentusa said:
I can not conceive anyone being so stupid as to believe what the Russians and Putin are telling Trump over our country's Spy agencies. I can only guess tha they have some hold over him. It might be some insider knowledge that could ruin him. It might actually be that he is a spy for the Russian. MY best guess is that he owes them so much money that they control hime through their business dealings with him. I may be wrong, but like I said, I can not understand any good reason why he is so ensnared by Putin.
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One word.

Ego.
 
independentusa said:
I can not conceive anyone being so stupid as to believe what the Russians and Putin are telling Trump over our country's Spy agencies. I can only guess tha they have some hold over him. It might be some insider knowledge that could ruin him. It might actually be that he is a spy for the Russian. MY best guess is that he owes them so much money that they control hime through their business dealings with him. I may be wrong, but like I said, I can not understand any good reason why he is so ensnared by Putin.
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It might be that Putin might have some dirt Obama doesn't/didn't have. Do you have any indication of that? It sounds like schmutz to me.
 
KevinKohler said:
You seem like a smart enough guy. Read youre own post, and think about it for a bit. If youre honest with yourself (which isnt easy) i think youll find your answer.
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Do you think it is truth that that is about?
 
independentusa said:
I can not conceive anyone being so stupid as to believe what the Russians and Putin are telling Trump over our country's Spy agencies. I can only guess tha they have some hold over him. It might be some insider knowledge that could ruin him. It might actually be that he is a spy for the Russian. MY best guess is that he owes them so much money that they control hime through their business dealings with him. I may be wrong, but like I said, I can not understand any good reason why he is so ensnared by Putin.
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What hold do the Russians have?

Nothing.

IMO the Kremlin Connection is all in the minds of the delusional.

Putin simply knew that Hillary would be SSDD for American foreign policy, and Trump is a wild card he thinks he can influence.

He might be surprised at what actually occurs when Trump takes office. :twocents:

Time will tell. :coffeepap
 
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independentusa said:
I can not conceive anyone being so stupid as to believe what the Russians and Putin are telling Trump over our country's Spy agencies. I can only guess tha they have some hold over him. It might be some insider knowledge that could ruin him. It might actually be that he is a spy for the Russian. MY best guess is that he owes them so much money that they control hime through their business dealings with him. I may be wrong, but like I said, I can not understand any good reason why he is so ensnared by Putin.
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Your cerebral sponge for the MSM is showing. Might try a wholesale change of information sources. Investigative journalism comes to mind. There is none in the MSM.
 
I don't think Putin has anything on Trump. He just knows that if you praise Trump a few times he is as loyal as a dog. He also knows that propaganda can be very effective with Trump. I think that's about it in terms of what we actually know right now.
 
independentusa said:
I can not conceive anyone being so stupid as to believe what the Russians and Putin are telling Trump over our country's Spy agencies. I can only guess tha they have some hold over him. It might be some insider knowledge that could ruin him. It might actually be that he is a spy for the Russian. MY best guess is that he owes them so much money that they control hime through their business dealings with him. I may be wrong, but like I said, I can not understand any good reason why he is so ensnared by Putin.
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Maybe they have pictures of Trump getting some nuns off while he is watching MTV and drinking Vodka on the rocks. Or maybe they have pictures of him running a dog fighting ring because Trump wanted his own Pokemon battles but couldn't find any pokemon and watching chickens fight is just stupid.
 
DaveFagan said:
Your cerebral sponge for the MSM is showing. Might try a wholesale change of information sources. Investigative journalism comes to mind. There is none in the MSM.
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So... are you an Alex Jones or James O'Keefe man?:2razz:
 
joG said:
Putin probably has no hold. But Trump has to find a way out of the dead end he boxed himself into.
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What dead end? What box?
 
Trump is an idiot with an ego and he admires Putin. I doubt it is any more nefarious than that.
 
Captain Adverse said:
What hold do the Russians have?

Nothing.

IMO the Kremlin Connection is all in the minds of the delusional.

Putin simply knew that Hillary would be SSDD for American foreign policy, and Trump is a wild card he thinks he can influence.

He might be surprised at what actually occurs when Trump takes office. :twocents:

Time will tell. :coffeepap
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I'd have to agree. No Kremlin connection. Delusional, yup, unless proven otherwise.

Trump has been a cagey businessman for quite sometime. One of his tenets is to walk away from a deal that isn't a good or great one (paraphrased). High time that the US adopt this position especially so on the international stage.

Time will tell. Yup.
 
BrewerBob said:
Trump is an idiot with an ego and he admires Putin. I doubt it is any more nefarious than that.
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Dunno there Bob. All I can recall is that Trump was of the opinion that a deal with Russia to beat ISIS, depending on the deal, would be a good thing.

You have another quote from Trump you are thinking about? One I may have missed?
 
independentusa said:
I can not conceive anyone being so stupid as to believe what the Russians and Putin are telling Trump over our country's Spy agencies. I can only guess tha they have some hold over him. It might be some insider knowledge that could ruin him. It might actually be that he is a spy for the Russian. MY best guess is that he owes them so much money that they control hime through their business dealings with him. I may be wrong, but like I said, I can not understand any good reason why he is so ensnared by Putin.
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Yes, you may be wrong. And considering the absence of any facts or evidence to support your guesses and the government's claims, you are wrong. If they had any actual evidence to support their claims, they would have presented them by now. Hints, allegations and things left unsaid are all they and you have.
 
independentusa said:
I can not conceive anyone being so stupid as to believe what the Russians and Putin are telling Trump over our country's Spy agencies. I can only guess tha they have some hold over him. It might be some insider knowledge that could ruin him. It might actually be that he is a spy for the Russian. MY best guess is that he owes them so much money that they control hime through their business dealings with him. I may be wrong, but like I said, I can not understand any good reason why he is so ensnared by Putin.
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his bankruptcies have meant US banks wont loan to him so he gets his loans from Russia. Trump owes Russia millions.
 
Captain Adverse said:
What hold do the Russians have?

Nothing.

IMO the Kremlin Connection is all in the minds of the delusional.

Putin simply knew that Hillary would be SSDD for American foreign policy, and Trump is a wild card he thinks he can influence.

He might be surprised at what actually occurs when Trump takes office. :twocents:

Time will tell. :coffeepap
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That's a pretty good comment Captain and I suspect I would like it even more if I knew what SSDD meant.

What Putin really, really wants in parity of esteem. A return to the time when Russia was an acknowleged superpower. When the first questions in the minds of geopolitical thinkers - like you and me - when anything happened was "What will the Russians say?" And "Are calls being made on the Hot Line". (For younger readers: this was a permanently open telephone line between Washington and Moscow. If you do not know what a 'telephone line' was ask you Dad).

Mr Trump is a wise and good, not to say cunning, man who will flatter Russia's sense of importance and all will be sweetness and light. Maybe.
 
Sweden said:
That's a pretty good comment Captain and I suspect I would like it even more if I knew what SSDD meant.

What Putin really, really wants in parity of esteem. A return to the time when Russia was an acknowleged superpower. When the first questions in the minds of geopolitical thinkers - like you and me - when anything happened was "What will the Russians say?" And "Are calls being made on the Hot Line". (For younger readers: this was a permanently open telephone line between Washington and Moscow. If you do not know what a 'telephone line' was ask you Dad).

Mr Trump is a wise and good, not to say cunning, man who will flatter Russia's sense of importance and all will be sweetness and light. Maybe.
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what trump probably wants is for russia to forgive some of the millions he owes them.
 
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