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White guilt boxes for only $100/month.

Fishking

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In the world of liberals, this is a valid thing. Seriously, no white person alive owned slaves and you aren't culpable in slavery or discrimination because you are white. The only way you are guilty, responsible, or related in any way to these things is if you have done it yourself.

And no...this isn't even close to being well outside of what modern illiberalism is these days.

https://news.vice.com/story/white-p...of-their-white-guilt?utm_source=vicenewsfbads

When organizers Marissa Johnson and Leslie Mac saw white people pinning safety pins to their lapels after the election, they thought it was stupid — but they smelled a business opportunity.

The safety pin is the Make America Great Again hat for white people who didn’t vote for Trump and want everyone to know it. Wearers say they’re showing people of color they’re “safe” white people. In the eyes of Johnson and Mac, the pin is an empty gesture. It’s white people making themselves feel better without actually doing anything of substance, they say.

Their solution: the Safety Pin Box, a monthly subscription service modeled on services like Birchbox. For $100 a month, subscribers get a box of tasks to complete that are aimed at making them more woke. Johnson and Mac pocket some of the profits, and give some money away to black women activists.
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Fishking said:
In the world of liberals, this is a valid thing. Seriously, no white person alive owned slaves and you aren't culpable in slavery or discrimination because you are white. The only way you are guilty, responsible, or related in any way to these things is if you have done it yourself.

And no...this isn't even close to being well outside of what modern illiberalism is these days.

https://news.vice.com/story/white-p...of-their-white-guilt?utm_source=vicenewsfbads
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LOL. That's a smart way to make some money off of idiots.

Why couldn't I have thought of this earlier?
 
Fishking said:
In the world of liberals, this is a valid thing. Seriously, no white person alive owned slaves and you aren't culpable in slavery or discrimination because you are white. The only way you are guilty, responsible, or related in any way to these things is if you have done it yourself.

And no...this isn't even close to being well outside of what modern illiberalism is these days.

https://news.vice.com/story/white-p...of-their-white-guilt?utm_source=vicenewsfbads

When organizers Marissa Johnson and Leslie Mac saw white people pinning safety pins to their lapels after the election, they thought it was stupid — but they smelled a business opportunity.

The safety pin is the Make America Great Again hat for white people who didn’t vote for Trump and want everyone to know it. Wearers say they’re showing people of color they’re “safe” white people. In the eyes of Johnson and Mac, the pin is an empty gesture. It’s white people making themselves feel better without actually doing anything of substance, they say.

Their solution: the Safety Pin Box, a monthly subscription service modeled on services like Birchbox. For $100 a month, subscribers get a box of tasks to complete that are aimed at making them more woke. Johnson and Mac pocket some of the profits, and give some money away to black women activists.
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There are thousands of slaves in the USA RFN.

https://www.walkfree.org/modern-slavery-facts/?gclid=CO2hsNGHpdECFUa4GwodiH0PVg

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Gonzo Rodeo said:
Black slaves, owned by whites, right?

Right?
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If you truly cannot read, i question the efficacy of providing a written answer, but here we go:

Debt bondage, forced marriage, child labor, human trafficking, and forced labor.
 
Absentglare said:
If you truly cannot read, i question the efficacy of providing a written answer, but here we go:

Debt bondage, forced marriage, child labor, human trafficking, and forced labor.
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In the USA?
 
Absentglare said:
If you truly cannot read, i question the efficacy of providing a written answer, but here we go:

Debt bondage, forced marriage, child labor, human trafficking, and forced labor.
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I think you missed the part about this being about whites here in America and this being about liberal white guilt.
 
Fletch said:
In the USA?
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Fishking said:
I think you missed the part about this being about whites here in America and this being about liberal white guilt.
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The argument was made by another poster, not by me. I am simply reading the words off the picture that answer the other posters question as to how they calculate "modern slavery."
 
Fishking said:
In the world of liberals, this is a valid thing. Seriously, no white person alive owned slaves and you aren't culpable in slavery or discrimination because you are white. The only way you are guilty, responsible, or related in any way to these things is if you have done it yourself.

And no...this isn't even close to being well outside of what modern illiberalism is these days.

https://news.vice.com/story/white-p...of-their-white-guilt?utm_source=vicenewsfbads

When organizers Marissa Johnson and Leslie Mac saw white people pinning safety pins to their lapels after the election, they thought it was stupid — but they smelled a business opportunity.

The safety pin is the Make America Great Again hat for white people who didn’t vote for Trump and want everyone to know it. Wearers say they’re showing people of color they’re “safe” white people. In the eyes of Johnson and Mac, the pin is an empty gesture. It’s white people making themselves feel better without actually doing anything of substance, they say.

Their solution: the Safety Pin Box, a monthly subscription service modeled on services like Birchbox. For $100 a month, subscribers get a box of tasks to complete that are aimed at making them more woke. Johnson and Mac pocket some of the profits, and give some money away to black women activists.
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Well we know the demoRATS have a lot of guilt and need to project it on others to make them feel better . I wonder which party objected to freeing the slaves ? :lol:
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Absentglare said:
If you truly cannot read, i question the efficacy of providing a written answer, but here we go:

Debt bondage, forced marriage, child labor, human trafficking, and forced labor.
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Absentglare said:
The argument was made by another poster, not by me. I am simply reading the words off the picture that answer the other posters question as to how they calculate "modern slavery."
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I fail to see the efficacy of responding on behalf of another, with a misplaced sense of righteousness and insults.

The point in contention started off arguing against the instution of white guilt by saying that the institution of black slavery, perpetrated by whites, has been over for long enough to where not a single practitioner is alive today. The response to this was the claim that thousands of slaves are still owned in the USA. The problem with the claim that I was pointing out is that this isn't white-perpetrated slavery, nor of exclusively blacks (nor even a preponderance of blacks; human trafficking in the US is mainly of Asians and Latinos, by other Asians and Latinos).
 
Manc Skipper said:
There are thousands of slaves in the USA RFN.
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So ignore context to claim victory. Agree with him or not, it's beyond clear within the context of his post he was speaking specifically of "slavery" in the historical fashion of the colonial era, not something like arranged marriages.
 
Did you guys miss this very important part of the article
but they smelled a business opportunity.
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This seems to have less to do with conviction but more with greed. Wait a minute, that makes me think of slavery ...slavery>greed etc.
What we should patent is the never ending red herrings that have us on each others throats almost immediately. Yes, esp the so called pacifists, the defenders of rights, those who are so eager to defend mankind, except the ones who happen to be the wrong color or race or ethnicity or religion or in disagreement with whatever the outrage de jour may be.
 
I predict not even dumb guilty white liberals will fall for this scam.. :)

Tim-
 
Velvet Elvis said:
What...like credit cards? Student loans? It's not slavery if the "slave" is doing it to himself voluntarily. Geez, what a jump to extremist conclusions.

Where in the USA?

Where in the USA?

Where in the USA?

Where in the USA?
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You really have no concept of how big a number 325,000,000 is, do you?
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
I fail to see the efficacy of responding on behalf of another, with a misplaced sense of righteousness and insults.

The point in contention started off arguing against the instution of white guilt by saying that the institution of black slavery, perpetrated by whites, has been over for long enough to where not a single practitioner is alive today. The response to this was the claim that thousands of slaves are still owned in the USA. The problem with the claim that I was pointing out is that this isn't white-perpetrated slavery, nor of exclusively blacks (nor even a preponderance of blacks; human trafficking in the US is mainly of Asians and Latinos, by other Asians and Latinos).
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Your failure is irrelevant.

You don't think that the former institution of slavery has any influence whatsoever on the starting socioeconomic conditions for blacks? Fascinating theory- how do you explain their performance gap, do you believe blacks are inherently inferior?
 
Zyphlin said:
So ignore context to claim victory. Agree with him or not, it's beyond clear within the context of his post he was speaking specifically of "slavery" in the historical fashion of the colonial era, not something like arranged marriages.
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You don't have to be personally responsible for slavery to reap the benefits of slavery. That seems to be the confusion of the OP.
 
Zyphlin said:
So ignore context to claim victory. Agree with him or not, it's beyond clear within the context of his post he was speaking specifically of "slavery" in the historical fashion of the colonial era, not something like arranged marriages.
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People are enslaved today however the problem is redefined. Being made to work for nothing is still happening. For example women are recruited with the promise of a fabulous job but are beaten/drugged/family threatened and put into the sex/drug industries. illegal ale=iens are out to work on farms, held by the threat of deportation... There are many variations on the theme today. It's not historical.
 
Absentglare said:
If you truly cannot read, i question the efficacy of providing a written answer, but here we go:

Debt bondage, forced marriage, child labor, human trafficking, and forced labor.
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Absentglare said:
Your failure is irrelevant.

You don't think that the former institution of slavery has any influence whatsoever on the starting socioeconomic conditions for blacks? Fascinating theory- how do you explain their performance gap, do you believe blacks are inherently inferior?
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Institutionally, there is more generational wealth among white families, i.e. more money in white neighborhoods and areas of the country.

Some of this has to do with the generational aspect.

Regardless, "white guilt" is stupid. And pointing out that slavery still exists is stupid as a response to pointing out that there hasn't been a white slaver who owned black slaves in 150 years, especially when considering that most modern day slavery and trafficking is perpetrated by US ethnic minorities on their own populations.
 
Manc Skipper said:
People are enslaved today however the problem is redefined. Being made to work for nothing is still happening. For example women are recruited with the promise of a fabulous job but are beaten/drugged/family threatened and put into the sex/drug industries. illegal ale=iens are out to work on farms, held by the threat of deportation... There are many variations on the theme today. It's not historical.
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Is this a problem that "white guilt" reparations are designed to help?
 
Gonzo Rodeo said:
Institutionally, there is more generational wealth among white families, i.e. more money in white neighborhoods and areas of the country.

Some of this has to do with the generational aspect.
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Agreed.

Gonzo Rodeo said:
Regardless, "white guilt" is stupid.
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I don't really know how to respond to that because it's not a real argument so much as a statement that asserts its own assumption.

Gonzo Rodeo said:
And pointing out that slavery still exists is stupid as a response to pointing out that there hasn't been a white slaver who owned black slaves in 150 years, especially when considering that most modern day slavery and trafficking is perpetrated by US ethnic minorities on their own populations.
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Maybe so, but i think it's worth putting in a measure effort to understand another's argument. Sorry, i was in a grouchy mood so i gave you too hard a time about that.
 
Fishking said:
In the world of liberals, this is a valid thing. Seriously, no white person alive owned slaves and you aren't culpable in slavery or discrimination because you are white. The only way you are guilty, responsible, or related in any way to these things is if you have done it yourself.

And no...this isn't even close to being well outside of what modern illiberalism is these days.

https://news.vice.com/story/white-p...of-their-white-guilt?utm_source=vicenewsfbads
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So, you found one of the many things that are stupid about one of the two general political leans. I'm sure there are plenty of stupid things related to conservatives out there....




Was there a point to this thread beyond serving as a cheap excuse to dump on liberals in general?
 
Absentglare said:
Agreed.



I don't really know how to respond to that because it's not a real argument so much as a statement that asserts its own assumption.



Maybe so, but i think it's worth putting in a measure effort to understand another's argument. Sorry, i was in a grouchy mood so i gave you too hard a time about that.
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The only justification for "white guilt" is white slavery of blacks. Pointing out that no one alive today engaged in it is valid. Now, I'm not saying that things are awesome for black people now, far from it, but the idea that white people who never engaged in slavery or Jim Crow era segregation owe money to people who were never enslaved or institutionally segregated against is ludicrous.

I'm not going to complain about affirmative action hiring practices or ethnically exclusive college scholarships that allow anyone BUT white kids to apply, but I draw the line at people who insist the only fair thing is to take resources from my kids and funnel them to underprivileged kids based on the color of our respective skins.

I grew up poor. It's a tough slog on the way up. And I can only maybe hope for middle-middle class if I do everything right and work my ass to the bone, and that's if I'm also a little lucky. I don't owe anyone ****, and I am not personally culpable or liable for the state of affairs in black communities today, or any community for that matter.
 
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