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Something that bothers me....

Partsguy57 said:
It is the government the left and their liberal policy that has created this. Same problem with the blacks, inner cities etc. Who do you think controls the large cities with all these problems?? Wise up.

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If you tell me to wise up one more time, I'm going to haunt you. You don't know me. You're a short-timer. Swear! I don't need to wise up.
 
Josie said:
Thanks. I'm also related to Jesse James so I'm part outlaw too. :2razz:
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Omg!! That's sooo EXCITING. An OUTlaw, possibly an INlaw, a Choctaw, Wow!!!

And you rhyme!!
 
nota bene said:
I understand the idea that we're, generally, a "nation of immigrants." But that would be legal immigrants. On my father's side the first reference to the family name is in Virginia in 1652 (with some references to somebody in 1637). But my mother's grandparents were "off the boat" from Ireland.
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LEGAL...being the operative word they always intentionally overlook.

Regardless of when they came, they did it legally and went through the immigration system in place at the time.

I saw once in a discussion, two activists said they hate putting a LEGAL or ILLEGAL label on anyone....WHY?...it blows their whole case out of the water, that is why. They do not like to use those terms on people and intentionally and deliberately omit saying it.
 
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"Undocumented worker" is the PC term. :roll:
 
Your Star said:
Technically, no. But that phrase is used to hopefully provide a little empathy towards immigrants. To remind us that, yes, even people who looked like you were immigrants. Also, it's never a bad thing to remind people that this country belonged to the native people that lived on this land for centuries before our people landed, and we basically just straight up took the continent. That's not something that we should overlook. Should we be blamed for it? Of course not, but it's important to remember that history. It adds a certain perspective on things.
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...and those same Native Americans were battling and taking land away from their neighboring tribes also.
Conquering territory was done by them all the time.
The Sioux took the Black Hills away by force of arms from the Arapaho, Blackfeet, and some others before they claimed it as their "ancestral" lands.
One of the main reasons the Crow aligned themselves with the US Army is because they had been pushed away and out of their lands by the Sioux and the Cheyenne, and their prophetic Chief saw us coming in a dream as a little boy, and knew it would benefit them as a people to join with us.

They had been at war with each other and conquering each others peoples and driving them off their land long before we got here.
 
nota bene said:
"Undocumented worker" is the PC term. :roll:
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Undocumented and illegal person is the accurate term. I admit to knowing some of these people that I didn't report just because i didn't have the heart and besides I liked the people a LOT!

But I also support securing the border and controlling who is and is not in the country illegally. Yes, there are some who need special provisions made for them, and others we may have to find a way to expedite their being here legally. But to just not enforce the laws at all out of some warped sense of compassion or whatever is just nuts. Over population and inability to control who is allowed here legally hurts us all, natural born and legal immigrants alike.
 
Josie said:
I heard someone today discussing illegal immigration and he said, "Well, when you think about it -- we're ALL immigrants."

Ugh. That annoys me. I am not an immigrant. I was born in the USA and I've never even stepped foot in a different country. My parents, grandparents and great-grandparents also weren't immigrants. We are not our ancestors.

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Most of us have fewer than 10 generations of ancestors born in the US. But, I'm not sure why they bring that up to defend illegal immigrants. I suspect most of our original immigrant ancestors came here legally. I know mine did.
 
Josie said:
I heard someone today discussing illegal immigration and he said, "Well, when you think about it -- we're ALL immigrants."

Ugh. That annoys me. I am not an immigrant. I was born in the USA and I've never even stepped foot in a different country. My parents, grandparents and great-grandparents also weren't immigrants. We are not our ancestors.

Discuss.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_human_migrations

Of course we are all descended from immigrants, as the Wikipedia 'Early Human Migrations' article explains. The only exception might be East Africa where several species of Homo evolved.
 
MaggieD said:
Well, if you aren't descendent from American Indians, you are the descendent of an immigrant. While the person who said that was technically incorrect, surely you can understand his point...?

Being a descendent of immigrants is something to be proud of. Without the courage and fortitude of at least one immigrant, you wouldn't be here.
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Well said, Maggie.

My people are, obviously, all immigrants. I'm incredibly proud of my father's grandma. Her sister was supposed to go to the U.S. She angered her father though and the next thing my grandma knew, she was told she was going in place of her sister. She got on the boat, all alone, at 17. She was fireball. Strong little lady with a big heart.

On the other side, my grandpa's dad came over to avoid mandatory conscription in the Kaiser Wilhelm II's army, when he was 15. He came with his older brother. He was a tough old bird. Built a very wealthy life.
 
Your Star said:
Technically, no. But that phrase is used to hopefully provide a little empathy towards immigrants. To remind us that, yes, even people who looked like you were immigrants. Also, it's never a bad thing to remind people that this country belonged to the native people that lived on this land for centuries before our people landed, and we basically just straight up took the continent. That's not something that we should overlook. Should we be blamed for it? Of course not, but it's important to remember that history. It adds a certain perspective on things.
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I don't know why being an immigrant to the U.S., even a legal one, should call for empathy, or even sympathy, from any American who was born here. And there is no reason whatever for any American to feel the least sympathetic to any alien who has sneaked into U.S. territory and remained here in violation of our immigration laws. Aliens who disrespect our sovereignty by flouting those laws can be expected to disrespect other laws once they are are--and many of them do.

As for the Indians, some members of peaceful tribes were certainly wronged--swindled, murdered, and so on. But many Indians had been torturing and slaughtering and enslaving each other since time out of mind, and violence was second nature to them. In the whites, they came up against a stronger enemy, and they lost. "Live by the sword, die by the sword."
 
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Josie said:
I heard someone today discussing illegal immigration and he said, "Well, when you think about it -- we're ALL immigrants."

Ugh. That annoys me. I am not an immigrant. I was born in the USA and I've never even stepped foot in a different country. My parents, grandparents and great-grandparents also weren't immigrants. We are not our ancestors.

Discuss.
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Besides the discussion is "legal" vs. "illegal."

Why are some people blind to that concept?
 
Your Star said:
Technically, no. But that phrase is used to hopefully provide a little empathy towards immigrants.
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Why do legal immigrants need empathy?

Why do illegal immigrants need empathy?

Your Star said:
To remind us that, yes, even people who looked like you were immigrants.
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Too bad liberals will not allow us to have a colorblind society. always pointing out race...

Your Star said:
Also, it's never a bad thing to remind people that this country belonged to the native people that lived on this land for centuries before our people landed, and we basically just straight up took the continent.
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Yes, we did. What our forefathers did was horrendous.

That has no bearing on the problems today.

Your Star said:
That's not something that we should overlook. Should we be blamed for it? Of course not, but it's important to remember that history. It adds a certain perspective on things.
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How does it add perspective to coddling illegal immigrants and mixing the terminology with legal immigrants?
 
SheWolf said:
I am an immigrant and I like when people say that. I have heard people say it myself. To me, it sounds like they are acknowledging we are not different. I immigrated as a kid, so I also recognize my grandparents and parents had a different journey. I did not experience Stalin and WWII like my grandparents, but it is part of why I am where I am today.
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We are a stronger nation with the perspectives we bring in from other places.

However, we have too much illegal immigration. No one seriously tries to curtail it.

It needs to be stopped.
 
Josie said:
I agree with this. There are people who look down on anyone who doesn't speak "American".
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I'm sure it appears that way with me. I isn't the person, but me. I get impatient when I have a hard time conversing with someone. It has nothing to do with them being from elsewhere.
 
gdgyva said:
I am all for legal immigration...In fact, I think it should be easier....ten years to wait for an entry visa is a long long time
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I won't pretend to know why it takes so long, but I will assume it has to do with how many people are waiting, and we can only accommodate so many per year.

If we allowed all who wanted to come, to do so, it is too dramatic of a change. We have to protect the nation too.

I will extend that to say all people who swear an oath to protect the constitution and the USA are traitors, if they are OK with illegal immigration.
 
Josie said:
I heard someone today discussing illegal immigration and he said, "Well, when you think about it -- we're ALL immigrants."

Ugh. That annoys me. I am not an immigrant. I was born in the USA and I've never even stepped foot in a different country. My parents, grandparents and great-grandparents also weren't immigrants. We are not our ancestors.

Discuss.
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That should only be 'annoying' if you believe that there's something wrong, inferior or negative about being an immigrant. I'm an immigrant, since I moved from the country of my birth to my current home country over a decade ago. I also come from migrant ancestry, or at least I believe I do, who settled in the northeast of England in the 9th-10th century.

I wonder whether the more fruitful line of thought might be why you believe that there's something intrinsically insulting to someone implying you might be an immigrant.
 
SheWolf said:
The current rhetoric from Trump is not only directed at illegal immigration. He has specially attacked H1B1 visas saying those people are taking jobs away from Americans, and he said many other things that actually do impact people legally here. I wish people would pay attention to that and stop saying Trump's immigration policies are all about illegal immigrants. Being a naturalized US citizens and being legally here is entirely different.
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I am mixed with the H1B1 Visa. In my professional experience when I was in engineering, the USA doesn't put out enough PHD graduates that can function well, to fill many high tech jobs. However, it also gets abused for jobs the we do have qualified people for.

Disney firing people and replacing them with immigrants come to mind.
 
Partsguy57 said:
Right on the money. I work with Mexicans all the time in the wildfire industry and is sad in the name of diversity so many of them speak no English or very poor English. " diversity " keeps these people as second class citizens and " ditch" diggers for life. I want them to speak great English so they can climb the economic ladder with everyone else and do well.

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I not only want them to speak English, but if they are illegal immigrants, I want them fired!
 
AlbqOwl said:
I have some Cherokee and Spanish blood from back when too, but most of what I have been able to find out of my heritage goes back to England, Ireland, Scotland, France, Austria, Germany. In other words I am pure mutt descended from peoples of many places. But I'm not an immigrant. :)
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I have two types of native American in me, and just about everything in Europe. Even some black. No Asian that I know of.

I call myself a Heinz 57.
 
Josie said:
Thanks. I'm also related to Jesse James so I'm part outlaw too. :2razz:
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Does Erik the Red, or Leif Erikson count as important?

My sister keeps in contact with a distant relative in Iceland
 
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