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Democracy is Gone in the USA

Again, the reverse is true. It's the federal government that was given an inch and took a mile.

When the federal government has to send the 101st Airborne to force a state to comply with the constitution, there's a problem, and it's not with the federals
 
When the federal government has to send the 101st Airborne to force a state to comply with the constitution, there's a problem, and it's not with the federals

When did that happen?
 
I'm on step "point out all the idiotic things trump does and watch his flunkies fall all over themselves trying to defend it"

Stick with the step that teaches whiney bullies to get over themselves and how to find a candidate with values and morals . And teach them how to behave around children when traveling .
 
Stick with the step that teaches whiney bullies to get over themselves and how to find a candidate with values and morals . And teach them how to behave around children when traveling .

Whiney bullies, huh. Sounds like Trump and his flunkies.
 
Sounds even more like the sulky, anti-American collectivists who infest sites like this one. But their star is fading fast.

The irony of the bullies claiming they are the ones being bullied is rather amusing.
 
The question is backward. Specifically what powers should the feds have? Those powers should be very, very, limited.

Someimes the power of the federal government is needed to protect the rights of individuals when states fail to do that. There are some rights that all U.S, citizens should have, regardless of what state they reside in. So there is more to the powers of the federal government than simply war and commerce.
 
Someimes the power of the federal government is needed to protect the rights of individuals when states fail to do that. There are some rights that all U.S, citizens should have, regardless of what state they reside in. So there is more to the powers of the federal government than simply war and commerce.

An opinion. An opinion that has often been used so as to override the wishes of the citizens of a state. You may think that unisex bathrooms should be the norm, and private businesses should be required to cater to the wishes of a given group, but North Carolina citizens do not. Don't like it? The commerce clause gives you the right to move.
 
Learn to lose with some sense of dignity it will be something you better get used to ! :roll:

Ohm so learn to do something your side is incapable of? Even when y'all win you don't show any dignity.
 
But Trump will fix it

There is no democracy in the United States. Nor does the United States bring democracy to other countries. In fact, the United States does not even really want democracy in other countries. The only ideology supported by the ruling elites in the US is the ideology of monopoly capitalism. One can call it the free market or.......... The marriage to the amoral system of profiteering known as capitalism has created an immensely immoral number of men and women willing to carry out the brutality and bloodshed necessary to reap that profit.

As the paragraph above implies, in order to maintain such a system there must be humans willing to do the dirty work that maintenance entails. Of course, those humans must be organized and, of course they are. Security forces, both public and private, form the front lines of the system’s defenders. Military corps are also part of that line. Legislators serve their role too, making laws that benefit the wealthy elites and providing the money for their domination. Then there are the organizations that do the dirtiest and therefore, the least known work. This is where the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), National Security Agency (NSA), and other secret police agencies come in. This is where the common brutality of the military and police transforms into a violence that makes Hollywood’s blood and gore cartoonish in contrast. While these deeds are not new to the current time, the events known as 9-11 have allowed those who champion them to make their actions public. The events that transpire in CIA black sites around the world are often too gruesome to be believed.51zbwgdhcal-_sx331_bo1204203200_

There was a program known as the Phoenix Program that was established by the CIA during the Vietnam War. The point of this program was to eliminate popular support for the revolutionary forces in Vietnam. The means utilized by those running the program included bribery, torture, murder of suspected revolutionaries, their supporters and their families. Despite the pervasiveness of the program it failed. Nonetheless, many of its architects have lived to fight another day, using it as a model for US imperial adventures subsequent to Vietnam in Central America, Asia and even in the United States.
Indeed, it is its replication in the United States that is the ultimate argument of author Douglas Valentine’s latest book examining the skullduggery, murder and deceit the Phoenix Program was synonymous with. This book, titled The CIA as Organized Crime: How Illegal Operations Corrupt America and the World, is a collection of previous articles, supplementary texts and completely new material that examines the connections between the implementation of the Phoenix Program in Vietnam and its ongoing utilization as a model for subsequent counterinsurgency operations by the CIA and other agencies. As Valentine makes clear, some of those connections are merely philosophical while others are as pinpoint as some of the same individuals who built their early careers on Phoenix are now operating inside the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and other top-secret US agencies—many of them enhanced in the wake of the events of 9-11.

There is no better investigator to write this book. Valentine’s best known title is the consummate text on the Phoenix Program, The Phoenix Program: America’s Use of Terror in Vietnam. Not only does this mean that his understanding of the complexities and subterfuges of Phoenix is fairly sophisticated, it also means he knows many of the personalities. This knowledge helps him draw what can only be considered a menacing number of connections from the development of the counterinsurgency template of the Phoenix Program to the creation and development of the US national security apparatus now in place around the globe. His discussion of the hierarchy of units leading all the way to CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia from hamlets in Vietnam and their replication in so-called fusion centers set up around the United States by the Department of Homeland Security since its inception is but one instance of the insidiousness of the Phoenix template. His naming of various individuals—like DHS commandant Bruce Lawlor—is proof that old death squad warriors don’t just go away, they are given more power. While Valentine reveals the dark side of US power, he also uncloaks the venality of many of those involved in these endeavors. In addition, his investigation leads this writer to believe that this is not the deep state so many conspiracists talk about; this is the state itself.

Democracy is Gone in the USA

I always wonder about people that write that kind of diatribe.
 
An opinion. An opinion that has often been used so as to override the wishes of the citizens of a state. You may think that unisex bathrooms should be the norm, and private businesses should be required to cater to the wishes of a given group, but North Carolina citizens do not. Don't like it? The commerce clause gives you the right to move.

I was referring to rights like free speech which every U.S. citizen should have regardless of what state they live in. This is the kind of rights I am talking about.
 
But Trump will fix it

As the paragraph above implies, in order to maintain such a system there must be humans willing to do the dirty work that maintenance entails. Of course, those humans must be organized and, of course they are. Security forces, both public and private, form the front lines of the system’s defenders. Military corps are also part of that line. Legislators serve their role too, making laws that benefit the wealthy elites and providing the money for their domination. Then there are the organizations that do the dirtiest and therefore, the least known work. This is where the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), National Security Agency (NSA), and other secret police agencies come in. This is where the common brutality of the military and police transforms into a violence that makes Hollywood’s blood and gore cartoonish in contrast. While these deeds are not new to the current time, the events known as 9-11 have allowed those who champion them to make their actions public. The events that transpire in CIA black sites around the world are often too gruesome to be believed.51zbwgdhcal-_sx331_bo1204203200_

There was a program known as the Phoenix Program that was established by the CIA during the Vietnam War. The point of this program was to eliminate popular support for the revolutionary forces in Vietnam. The means utilized by those running the program included bribery, torture, murder of suspected revolutionaries, their supporters and their families. Despite the pervasiveness of the program it failed. Nonetheless, many of its architects have lived to fight another day, using it as a model for US imperial adventures subsequent to Vietnam in Central America, Asia and even in the United States.
Indeed, it is its replication in the United States that is the ultimate argument of author Douglas Valentine’s latest book examining the skullduggery, murder and deceit the Phoenix Program was synonymous with. This book, titled The CIA as Organized Crime: How Illegal Operations Corrupt America and the World, is a collection of previous articles, supplementary texts and completely new material that examines the connections between the implementation of the Phoenix Program in Vietnam and its ongoing utilization as a model for subsequent counterinsurgency operations by the CIA and other agencies. As Valentine makes clear, some of those connections are merely philosophical while others are as pinpoint as some of the same individuals who built their early careers on Phoenix are now operating inside the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and other top-secret US agencies—many of them enhanced in the wake of the events of 9-11.

There is no better investigator to write this book. Valentine’s best known title is the consummate text on the Phoenix Program, The Phoenix Program: America’s Use of Terror in Vietnam. Not only does this mean that his understanding of the complexities and subterfuges of Phoenix is fairly sophisticated, it also means he knows many of the personalities. This knowledge helps him draw what can only be considered a menacing number of connections from the development of the counterinsurgency template of the Phoenix Program to the creation and development of the US national security apparatus now in place around the globe. His discussion of the hierarchy of units leading all the way to CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia from hamlets in Vietnam and their replication in so-called fusion centers set up around the United States by the Department of Homeland Security since its inception is but one instance of the insidiousness of the Phoenix template. His naming of various individuals—like DHS commandant Bruce Lawlor—is proof that old death squad warriors don’t just go away, they are given more power. While Valentine reveals the dark side of US power, he also uncloaks the venality of many of those involved in these endeavors. In addition, his investigation leads this writer to believe that this is not the deep state so many conspiracists talk about; this is the state itself.

Democracy is Gone in the USA

Thank God, Democracy sucks!
 
Thank God, Democracy sucks!

democracy as in a democratic form of government is what is bad, when the people either by the people direct vote to create and then enforce all laws in their name , or in a government where laws are created and enforced representing only the people.

the creation of law and its enforcement should never be placed only in a single entity because that is tyranny

democracy as an single element of government is good, because it gives the people a voice to protect their rights from tryanny
 
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democracy as in a democratic form of government is what is bad, when the people either by the people direct vote to create and then enforce all laws in their name , or in a government where laws are created and enforced representing only the people.

the creation of law and its enforcement should never be placed only in a single entity because that is tyranny

democracy as an single element of government is good, because it gives the people a voice to protect their rights from tryanny

Well said. Democracy has its place in deciding some issues, but for a government to be fair, it must be based on a constitution that limits its power and ensures the basic human rights and freedoms of the people. Democracy in itself is simply mob rule.
 
Well said. Democracy has its place in deciding some issues, but for a government to be fair, it must be based on a constitution that limits its power and ensures the basic human rights and freedoms of the people. Democracy in itself is simply mob rule.

it is, and that is why the founders divided power in american government and the people have their power to protect their rights while the state governments were given power to secure their state powers from being usurped by the House representatives in a collective capacity.

the collective capcity of the people can be dangerous if not kept in check.
 
it is, and that is why the founders divided power in american government and the people have their power to protect their rights while the state governments were given power to secure their state powers from being usurped by the House representatives in a collective capacity.

the collective capcity of the people can be dangerous if not kept in check.

Especially when it is a poorly educated collective capacity. Self determination can only be successful to the degree that the people entrusted with making decisions are well educated and logical.
 
Especially when it is a poorly educated collective capacity. Self determination can only be successful to the degree that the people entrusted with making decisions are well educated and logical.

yes they do need to be educated to understand a classical republic and how it functions, which is to divide power never putting it all into the hands of 1, be it a single person, a group of people or all the people.

by having the state governments have powers inside the federal government, this balances power and the states vested interested is represented and protected from those who are only interested in their own powers and using it against others.
 
yes they do need to be educated to understand a classical republic and how it functions, which is to divide power never putting it all into the hands of 1, be it a single person, a group of people or all the people.

by having the state governments have powers inside the federal government, this balances power and the states vested interested is represented and protected from those who are only interested in their own powers and using it against others.

Interestingly, an incredible amount of power still resides with the people and yet the people for the most part are too ignorant to use it. That is the power of the jury. While the legislative branch write law, and the judicial branch interprets them, it is the citizen juror who has the power to enforce them... or not.

The power of jury nullification is the most powerful of all judicial powers and yet not one in a thousand citizens understand it. The government for all its power lacks the ultimate power to judge us, because the founding fathers were smart enough to know that the it is the jury which keeps the government relegated to the position of servant and the citizen its master. Unfortunately, we are doing a very poor job of utilizing our power due to our lack of education concerning it.
 
Interestingly, an incredible amount of power still resides with the people and yet the people for the most part are too ignorant to use it. That is the power of the jury. While the legislative branch write law, and the judicial branch interprets them, it is the citizen juror who has the power to enforce them... or not.

The power of jury nullification is the most powerful of all judicial powers and yet not one in a thousand citizens understand it. The government for all its power lacks the ultimate power to judge us, because the founding fathers were smart enough to know that the it is the jury which keeps the government relegated to the position of servant and the citizen its master. Unfortunately, we are doing a very poor job of utilizing our power due to our lack of education concerning it.

in original constitutional law of the founders, the federal government had no powers concerning the people personal lives, that was left in the hands of the states.

to prevent the collective capacity of the House made up of the people, the senate of the state governments was created to block that collective capacity from creating laws which would violate the state powers and the rights of the people within the states by the federal government.
 
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