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One Month Left in Office, and President Obama goes on a 2 week vacation in Hawaii

Deuce said:
What is the last day a president can take vacation? Two months left? Three? Four? Ten?
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Technically, or morally?

Technically, he could take his last five weeks in office as vacation time in Hawaii - nothing illegal about it.

Morally, I don't know - let's for argument sake say it would be morally justifiable to take a vacation in order to regroup, relax, recharge and energize for the remainder of the year or term in office. Kind of like what most average people do.

But hey, if you think the President wasting 100s of $thousands or perhaps $millions of American taxpayer dollars on a vanity tour of Hawaii as he's walking out the door, more power to you.
 
Deuce said:
Bush took a later vacation than this, but CanadaJohn never gave a **** then.
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You may find it hard to believe, but I wasn't on this site in December 2008/January 2009. If you'd like to post up a link to President Bush's taking of a vacation at a later time than this in his term of office, I'll gladly condemn it as a waste of taxpayer dollars.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Technically, or morally?

Technically, he could take his last five weeks in office as vacation time in Hawaii - nothing illegal about it.

Morally, I don't know - let's for argument sake say it would be morally justifiable to take a vacation in order to regroup, relax, recharge and energize for the remainder of the year or term in office. Kind of like what most average people do.

But hey, if you think the President wasting 100s of $thousands or perhaps $millions of American taxpayer dollars on a vanity tour of Hawaii as he's walking out the door, more power to you.
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Ahh, now the goalposts are back to wasting dollars on "vanity." I don't suppose the timing of this has clicked with you yet. You know where Obama is from, right? And what time of year it is?

Convenient. I suppose Bush's December 29 vacation in 2008 wasn't about vanity.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
President Obama has taken far less vacation time than his predecessors which is saying something considering he had kids at home.

Hey Conservatives, Let's Compare Obama And Bush Vacations

So the real question is, how petty, intellectually dishonest, and rabidly partisan is it for an individual to bitch about Obama taking vacation time when he has taken far less than his predecessors? ;)
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What's that game they play on sesame Street, which one of these is not like the other?

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Crovax said:
What's that game they play on sesame Street, which one of these is not like the other?
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Do you people seriously not remember "Now watch this drive?"
 
Bob N said:
No matter what time he takes it, it still doesn't bother you that Bush did the same--even more than the present one and on the same dimes?
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You have no valid argument and it is only an attempt at deflection.

This has nothing to do with what Bush did.
This is about Obama taking one with only 5 weeks to go.

If you are unable to actually focus on what was said instead of deflecting, you should push on.
 
Deuce said:
Ahh, now the goalposts are back to wasting dollars on "vanity." I don't suppose the timing of this has clicked with you yet. You know where Obama is from, right? And what time of year it is?

Convenient. I suppose Bush's December 29 vacation in 2008 wasn't about vanity.
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I never once changed the goalposts. I said from the beginning this was all about the arrogance of entitlement. You haven't posted the details of the Bush December 2008 vacation, so I have to assume he simply flew Air Force One to his ranch in Crawford, Texas where he spent pretty much all of his vacation time and where he now lives permanently. As such, I would not approve of taxpayer dollars being wasted on using Air Force One when any President, Democrat or Republican, has mere days left in office.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Technically, or morally?But hey, if you think the President wasting 100s of $thousands or perhaps $millions of American taxpayer dollars on a vanity tour of Hawaii as he's walking out the door, more power to you.
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I'll tell you what bothers me. Just how many times do you need to keep knocking on that Benghazi door and keep getting the same results just to keep someone that's running for President looking bad.
According to the Benghazi Research Center, however, the investigation involved 10 congressional committees and the disclosure of at least 100,000 documents. It went on to report that the House Select Committee on Benghazi alone devoured over $6.8 million of taxpayers' money, or nearly $8,000 per day.May 17, 2016
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CanadaJohn said:
And again, an Obama apologist misses the point. It's not the number of vacations he's taken or the comparison to other Presidents, it's taking the vacation in his last month in office. In effect, he's taking half his time left in office on vacation, and on the taxpayers' dime. He couldn't wait the full five weeks and then fund his own vacation, right?
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I think you're blowing this way out of proportion. The President pays for their own food, lodging, etc, and Obama would have secret service protection if he took the vacation after he has left office. The only real cost is Air Force One, which, is the only way the President can fly. Also, like others have said, it's less a vacation, and more a change of scenery, and every President has taken vacations. Obama has taken far less than his predecessor, so, I think it's within his prerogative to take a vacation if he so pleases. I mean, the weight of the world is still on the man's shoulders. If he wants a vacation, I think he's earned it. Especially since the cost of the actual vacation, not the trappings that come along with being the President, are being paid for by the Obama family.

But hey, let's not let a little thing like facts get in the way of your rage.

Presidents pay for their own and their families’ lodging, food and incidentals while on vacation, which may be why they generally prefer to stay at properties they own, as guests of wealthy friends or at the official presidential retreat at Camp David.
But since presidential vacations are always working vacations, taxpayers cover what it takes to keep the commander in chief working. Lodging and meals are an extra cost, but taxpayers pay the salaries of White House staffers and Secret Service agents whether the president stays in Washington or not, so a presidential vacation does not significantly increase personnel costs.

The biggest additional expense is the use of Air Force One and the support aircraft needed to haul all the equipment and ground transportation the president needs. The Congressional Research Service estimated that the cost of operating Air Force One is nearly $180,000 per hour. Ultimately, a presidential vacation can cost taxpayers an additional $1 million or considerably more than if the president had just stayed put in the White House. How significant this is within a $3.5 trillion federal budget is something voters can decide for themselves.
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CanadaJohn said:
How arrogant, elitist, self-absorbed and disrespectful of the American taxpayer do you have to be to take a two week golfing vacation in Hawaii on the taxpayers' dime when you only have about five more weeks in office? Couldn't wait until January 21st to travel to Hawaii at your own expense President Obama? Feel entitled to soak the taxpayers one more time?

This is exactly why someone as inappropriate as Donald Trump is now the President elect in your great country.

President Obama can't leave soon enough - stay in Hawaii and never show your face again.
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Man, if only Obama had some way of staying in contact with the outside world.

Some day, visitors from the future or an visiting interstellar race of aliens will share such technology with us.
 
Crovax said:
What's that game they play on sesame Street, which one of these is not like the other?

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So basically the first two are engaging in photo ops for the cameras so they can look "rugged", while in the third picture, the president is simply engaging in an activity he enjoys.

What happened with that Bush ranch he so enjoyed after he left office? Oh yeah he sold it and bought a mansion in the suburbs. So much for rugged...

I would be a paycheck that if you were lucky enough to have shaken Bush's and Reagan's hands, you would not have found any callouses on either of them.
 
Bob N said:
I'll tell you what bothers me. Just how many times do you need to keep knocking on that Benghazi door and keep getting the same results just to keep someone that's running for President looking bad.


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I see - so you've totally lost the argument and have no defense for the indefensible, so you have to try to change the subject and derail this thread. Feel free to start your own Benghazi thread if you'd like - there are about a million of them here already, but go ahead.
 
Excon said:
You have no valid argument and it is only an attempt at deflection.

This has nothing to do with what Bush did.
This is about Obama taking one with only 5 weeks to go.

If you are unable to actually focus on what was said instead of deflecting, you should push on.
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Bush was on vacation December 29, 2008, but you don't give a ****.

It's the holidays, dude. People ****ing take vacation. Why should Obama be different?
 
Excon said:
You have no valid argument and it is only an attempt at deflection.

This has nothing to do with what Bush did.
This is about Obama taking one with only 5 weeks to go.

If you are unable to actually focus on what was said instead of deflecting, you should push on.
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Excon: I disagree; it's not deflection; It's called standards to live up to and compare to. I'm comfortable in this pool but I can't speak for you. :shrug:
 
CanadaJohn said:
How arrogant, elitist, self-absorbed and disrespectful of the American taxpayer do you have to be to take a two week golfing vacation in Hawaii on the taxpayers' dime when you only have about five more weeks in office? Couldn't wait until January 21st to travel to Hawaii at your own expense President Obama? Feel entitled to soak the taxpayers one more time?

This is exactly why someone as inappropriate as Donald Trump is now the President elect in your great country.

President Obama can't leave soon enough - stay in Hawaii and never show your face again.
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this is one of the most ignorant posts ever. maybe modern communications will come to canada someday
 
Cardinal said:
Man, if only Obama had some way of staying in contact with the outside world.

Some day, visitors from the future or an visiting interstellar race of aliens will share such technology with us.
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You haven't a clue about the issue I see.
 
Deuce said:
Bush was on vacation December 29, 2008, but you don't give a ****.
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And again:This isn't about Bush.
Stop deflecting.


Deuce said:
It's the holidays, dude. People ****ing take vacation. Why should Obama be different?
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Yay! Finally you focused on a possible valid argument.
Now take that and argue it with those who wish to argue.
 
CanadaJohn said:
You haven't a clue about the issue I see.
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I guess not. I was under the impression that the one place the President couldn't be contacted was on the toilet, and frankly I'm not so sure about even that.
 
CanadaJohn said:
You haven't a clue about the issue I see.
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But you don't have a clue about the issue either. First you whined about the timing, but then were unable to actually establish a cutoff for the timing to be acceptable. So you tried to pivot to "vanity," whatever that means. I guess it's vain to spend time with the family during the holidays. I am vain.

you've tried to make it about taxpayer cost, but again, this is something all presidents do, and it always costs money. You just only care because OBAMAAAAAAAA
 
Henrin said:
Why would you take a vacation with a month left in office? Do you really need a break right before the end of your term?
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It's called Christmas. Are you really going to complain about Obama visiting family in Hawaii over Christmas? Even if he waited until he left office, he will still get taxpayers funded security.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Way to be totally oblivious to the main point of the thread. You must be a liberal/progressive, right? Taxpayers?? ****-em
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This HAS to be feigned. Nobody is that stupid, are they? :shock:
 
Your Star said:
I think you're blowing this way out of proportion. The President pays for their own food, lodging, etc, and Obama would have secret service protection if he took the vacation after he has left office. The only real cost is Air Force One, which, is the only way the President can fly. Also, like others have said, it's less a vacation, and more a change of scenery, and every President has taken vacations. Obama has taken far less than his predecessor, so, I think it's within his prerogative to take a vacation if he so pleases. I mean, the weight of the world is still on the man's shoulders. If he wants a vacation, I think he's earned it. Especially since the cost of the actual vacation, not the trappings that come along with being the President, are being paid for by the Obama family.

But hey, let's not let a little thing like facts get in the way of your rage.



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That's fair - however, the travel time from Washington DC to Hawaii is approximately 10 hours each way - that works out to about $3.6 million on Air Force One costs alone, according to the information you provided. If the vacation was taken after he left office, pretty sure a private jet would cost a fraction of that cost but then the President would have to foot that bill himself, not the US taxpayer.

There's an old saying, to paraphrase - if you take care of the pennies, the dollars will take care of themselves. If you think it's no big deal to spend this kind of taxpayer dollars in the last couple of weeks a President is in office, you're a prime example of why $17 plus trillion in national debt is no big deal and something you'll gladly saddle on future generations to pay. There's a reason why young people today are expected to have a lower standard of living than my generation. And I'm not proud of it.
 
Deuce said:
But you don't have a clue about the issue either. First you whined about the timing, but then were unable to actually establish a cutoff for the timing to be acceptable. So you tried to pivot to "vanity," whatever that means. I guess it's vain to spend time with the family during the holidays. I am vain.

you've tried to make it about taxpayer cost, but again, this is something all presidents do, and it always costs money. You just only care because OBAMAAAAAAAA
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Maybe this is a war on Christmas, thing? I mean, how dare Obama celebrate Christmas with his family?

Also pointing out that his extended family does live in Hawaii. Let's not overlook that.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
So basically the first two are engaging in photo ops for the cameras so they can look "rugged", while in the third picture, the president is simply engaging in an activity he enjoys.

What happened with that Bush ranch he so enjoyed after he left office? Oh yeah he sold it and bought a mansion in the suburbs. So much for rugged...

I would be a paycheck that if you were lucky enough to have shaken Bush's and Reagan's hands, you would not have found any callouses on either of them.
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With a chainsaw? Chainsaws are for ******s.
 
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