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Michelle: 'We're feeling what not having hope feels like'...

She speaks for a lot of people around the world, not just the majority of Americans who didn't vote for the PE.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Sorry, responding to your point doesn't mean I have to agree with it or be sidetracked by it.
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Oh, dear lord. Let me spell everything out for you.

You said this among other things:



CanadaJohn said:
8 years of the disastrous Presidency of Obama
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I pointed out one of the many ways in which Obama, while very disappointing, did not have a "disastrous Presidency." One of those ways was this:

Mr Person said:
It's horrible not to be in the worst recession since the Great Depression. Truly tragic.
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See? The 2016 numbers look way better than 2008. While they criticize parts of his stimulus, they do give credit to it for helping. And again, objectively, we are in much better shape than we were in 2008. But you got confused about the fact that I was pointing out that "disastrous" was a dishonest word to use in those circumstances, and tried to tell me that the ONLY metric by which I am allowed to judge a Presidency is by whether the other party wins next time:

CanadaJohn said:
Yes, indeed - Obama's Presidency was such a winner you now have President Elect Trump and a Congress full of Republicans and soon a Supreme Court in the hands of conservatives, in the majority. Truly tragic, right??
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And while I didn't point it out in the next post, you should also consider the simple fact that both congress and the executive flip-flop D/R over time. But here was the next post:


Mr Person said:
Well, I suppose I can't force you to respond to the point actually being made for once.

Objectively, we're doing way better today than when Obama took office.

What you choose to blame that on doesn't become a fact simply because hate the left and typed some words on the internet
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This exchange would not have occurred but for your demonstrably and demonstrated-false claim that Obama's presidency was "disastrous". Yet somehow, I "side-tracked" you by forcing you to post it in the first place.

What a very disenguous series of posts you put up.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
She should feel embarrassed for the failure of her husband, of what a horrible job he did as steward that we now face President Trump.

The apparent lack of shame is the surprise, shame that should have her mouth zipped.

But no, here she is, whining, not taking responsibility.

Oh wait, this is the way the Left rolls.

NEVERMIND
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Except the problem is not everyone feels her husband was a failure. And the other problem is not everyone thinks Trump is the solution. So once again, what she said wasn't at all surprising. She probably speaks for dozens of millions of Americans. Not everyone was swept off his or her feet by Donald Trump.

She doesn't have to "take responsibility". Her role was to be the wife of the President. She doesn't hold any more responsibility than the communist-born wife of our next President will.
 
Ockham said:
It's more about her statement --- that she had hope for the past 8 years, but in reality there was no hope then either, so she was just deluding herself. Probably because Barack is her husband which is fine, but Obama's claim of hope and change was BS and BS, or at least that was the way it turned out. She in reality, she hasn't had hope for at least 8 years - perhaps she is just now realizing it.
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I don't doubt she had hope for the last 8 years. I know I would if my husband was President. Just because most of us didn't hold much hope for the man doesn't mean she didn't. And she certainly isn't alone in thinking Donald Trump has no business being President. I share that view. I also thought her husband shouldn't have been President.
 
First of all, many people have hope, just look at Trumps rally's. And many who were skeptical initially about Trump are really liking his cabinet picks so far and his desire to let bygones be bygones and forge positive relationships with former political enemies. People who have visited Trump in the past month have said some pretty wonderful things about him.

Secondly, let's look at the alternative to Trump over the past month: First of all, Hillary took a staged photo to make it seem like was just walking her dog and all of the sudden bumped into this supporter of hers. Why do that...I mean, why lie so easily? Next, she blamed her loss on "Fake News" at an event honoring Harry Reid, the same guy who proudly made up the now infamous lie about Romney. Now she's blaming the Russians, even though she didn't mind having the DNC cheat for her. So far, Trump is outshining Hillary to an embarrassing degree. So I think it's obvious that Michelle Obama is just bitter.
 
RetiredUSN said:
The left brought us there. Let's give a few more welfare bags a home loan! Got a heartbeat............................here's a loan for ya! You ain't quite right!
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There ya go again, proving the right refuses to remember the true facts and find any little link they can to pretend the YUGE crash was all the fault of dem librels... :roll:

First the CONs claimed no CEO would deliberately hurt their corporation for short term gain and yet we saw many do just that to try and keep the profits rolling in. WRONG

Second the banking industry worked to cut away what they called red tape- what the rest of us saw as financial safeguards that had been in place since when??? Oh yeah since the last time CONs ran the economy into the toilet back in '29!!!! :doh

Next the CONs claimed the 'invisible hand' of the free market (as if there is one of those) wouldn't drive the economic bus over the cliff and yet it damn sure did because their is no ghost hand watching out for us... :roll:

I love the 'welfare' reference as Wells Fargo is having an internal upheaval over using it's clients for self serving profits- you do watch the news don't you?

I don't mind self delusion by the right, but don't for a second think the rest of us are onboard... :peace
 
Sniff. No hope? :cry: Sniff. None at allllll? So, hick, how much time do we have left?
 
tres borrachos said:
Except the problem is not everyone feels her husband was a failure. And the other problem is not everyone thinks Trump is the solution. So once again, what she said wasn't at all surprising. She probably speaks for dozens of millions of Americans. Not everyone was swept off his or her feet by Donald Trump.

She doesn't have to "take responsibility". Her role was to be the wife of the President. She doesn't hold any more responsibility than the communist-born wife of our next President will.
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Considering he has the highest approval rating since Reagan, I find it rather surprising anyone can take Trump's win to be a repudiation of Obama
 
vash1012 said:
Considering he has the highest approval rating since Reagan, I find it rather surprising anyone can take Trump's win to be a repudiation of Obama
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I think Trump's win had far more to do with his opponent than with Obama.
 
yankintx said:
The lowest form of debating, personal insults, learn that from your Dear Leader?
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Says the person who's very first post in this thread was an insult to the person many on the right helped elect to the office of president.
 
Mr Person said:
If you cannot communicate without personal insults....
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I see - as usual, you're allowed to insult and misrepresent my posts and that's okay, but when you have no counter argument, you run away. Fair enough - have a good night and hope you feel better soon.
 
Mr Person said:
What a very disenguous series of posts you put up.
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And again, you're allowed to insult and misrepresent my posts and that means I'm disingenuous (Canadian spelling, hope that helps).

And I suppose you were in a cave somewhere the last 8 years while many on both the right and some on the left were complaining about the Obama stagnation and the shrinkage of the American workforce and the staggering unemployment among youth, particularly youth of colour, and the skyrocketing debt accumulation and the bloody mess the Middle East is now, etc. etc. etc. But gee, the stock market rebounded nicely as people all over the world bought and invested American dollars until the US figured out what to do about their economy.
 
CanadaJohn said:
And again, you're allowed to insult and misrepresent my posts and that means I'm disingenuous (Canadian spelling, hope that helps)..
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What gentlemanly trolling. Congrats on the Canadian spell-checker, though.

(Doh! The hyphen was inappropriate, right?)


CanadaJohn said:
And I suppose you were in a cave somewhere the last 8 years while many on both the right and some on the left were complaining about the Obama stagnation and the shrinkage of the American workforce and the staggering unemployment among youth, particularly youth of colour, and the skyrocketing debt accumulation and the bloody mess the Middle East is now, etc. etc. etc. But gee, the stock market rebounded nicely as people all over the world bought and invested American dollars until the US figured out what to do about their economy.
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I don't see any analysis as to how this is Obama's fault. I see a two-factor analysis. In it I see two assertions:

Assertion 1: Certain bad things happened on Earth.

Assertion 2: Obama was the chief executive of the USA when those bad things happened.

These are the only two assertions - save one - that could possibly lead to a list of rote conclusions that Obama is to blame for various events. (The exception is an assertion that Obama is the ultimate cause).
 
tres borrachos said:
Except the problem is not everyone feels her husband was a failure. And the other problem is not everyone thinks Trump is the solution. So once again, what she said wasn't at all surprising. She probably speaks for dozens of millions of Americans. Not everyone was swept off his or her feet by Donald Trump.

She doesn't have to "take responsibility". Her role was to be the wife of the President. She doesn't hold any more responsibility than the communist-born wife of our next President will.
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Michelle is smarter than the average bear, there is no excuse for her lack of understanding that her husband failed.
 
MickeyW said:
President Barack Obama’s administration achieved the platform he ran for president on: hope, according to first lady Michelle Obama, who implied that many Americans no longer have that hope as President-elect Donald Trump transitions into the White House.

“We feel the difference now. See, now, we’re feeling what not having hope feels like, you know,” the first lady told Oprah Winfrey in an interview excerpt broadcast Friday on “CBS This Morning.”
Michelle Obama: 'We’re feeling what not having hope feels like' - POLITICO

My thinking is this..... that for the first time in 8 years, we do have hope ....and great expectations.
I'm not alone, millions think the same way.
And, as noted in the text, "obama failed to live up to expectations."
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She's equating losing an election with something FAR beyond what losing an election in this country entails.

Dismissed as nonsense.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
She's equating losing an election with something FAR beyond what losing an election in this country entails.

Dismissed as nonsense.
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An election the D's had made about ratifying Obama's vision(FOUR MORE YEARS!), which got trounced, by a Trump no less.

If she cant understand that this means that Obama failed then she maybe is no where near as smart as advertised.

Her husband certainly is not.
 
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braindrain said:
Says the person who's very first post in this thread was an insult to the person many on the right helped elect to the office of president.
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Like I give a rats ass about that.
 
MickeyW said:
President Barack Obama’s administration achieved the platform he ran for president on: hope, according to first lady Michelle Obama, who implied that many Americans no longer have that hope as President-elect Donald Trump transitions into the White House.

“We feel the difference now. See, now, we’re feeling what not having hope feels like, you know,” the first lady told Oprah Winfrey in an interview excerpt broadcast Friday on “CBS This Morning.”
Michelle Obama: 'We’re feeling what not having hope feels like' - POLITICO

My thinking is this..... that for the first time in 8 years, we do have hope ....and great expectations.
I'm not alone, millions think the same way.
And, as noted in the text, "obama failed to live up to expectations."
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Not surprising coming from a First Lady that has always hated our country and said she was only proud of it when her husband was elected, which really just means it was all about her husband, and now that he's going away she can go back to hating our country again.

Probably one of the worst First Ladies we've ever had, due to her animosity she holds for our country.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I see - as usual, you're allowed to insult and misrepresent my posts and that's okay, but when you have no counter argument, you run away. Fair enough - have a good night and hope you feel better soon.
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Some folks cannot communicate without ad hominem.

Kinda like you and I with TB 12.
 
Fishking said:
Not surprising coming from a First Lady that has always hated our country and said she was only proud of it when her husband was elected, which really just means it was all about her husband, and now that he's going away she can go back to hating our country again.

Probably one of the worst First Ladies we've ever had, due to her animosity she holds for our country.
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99% of all school lunch kids think her cooking sucks too. ;)
 
Fishking said:
Not surprising coming from a First Lady that has always hated our country and said she was only proud of it when her husband was elected, which really just means it was all about her husband,
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No one is that myopic. One must need to actually force oneself to first viciously misinterpret her words and second make it personal as opposed to social advancement.

She was proud that our country had come so far regarding civil rights and equal opportunity. One must hate that aspect of our country to so absurdly misrepresent her words.


RetiredUSN said:
99% of all school lunch kids think her cooking sucks too. ;)
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Campaigning for healthier school lunches was, to my knowledge, the best first lady initiative in my adult life. Not political and positive. Compared to Hillary's healthcare crusade, Michelle was an angel. If a conservative first lady campaigned for healthier school lunches, we'd hear "kids gotta do what we say, they're kids" instead of "but the children want cookies" from partisans.
 
CanadaJohn said:
The shear arrogance of liberals is nauseating. Go away Michelle, take your failed Presidency husband with you, and you and the Clintons live out your existences in obscurity and let the rest of us get on with living.
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The Euros love them. Maybe they can spread some hope over there.
 
Ahlevah said:
The Euros love them. Maybe they can spread some hope over there.
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Many Canadians mindlessly love them too - it's probably why we have a new Prime Minister whose only skills seem to be taking selfies with losers and flitting around the world dishing out Canadian taxpayer dollars. His empty headed slogan is "sunny ways", right up there with hope and change and a whole lot of nothing.
 
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