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If Trump is a outsider why are his supporters Republicans?

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Trump supporters seem to tout that Trump is sticking it to the establishment. They go on about how Trump is a outsider and on and on.

But if thats the case why are Trump supporters happy about a Republican controlled Congress and a Republican President? Why aren't Trump supporters protesting the hard line establishment cabinet choices or the fact that Trump is peddling the establishments platform? Its almost the equivalent of saying war is peace. What gives, I cannot believe that anyone can be that naive. Are Trump supporters just telling a big lie because they are really just establishment supporters in sheeps clothing?
 
Trump supporters support a man that is a birther, makes fun of the handicapped and gropes women, you have to wonder what kind of people they are.
 
katzgar said:
Trump supporters support a man that is a birther, makes fun of the handicapped and gropes women, you have to wonder what kind of people they are.
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America was offered a choice that quite a lot of Americans didn't want to make. Neither Trump or Clinton was well liked and both candidates set record lows for favorability ratings ever between two major party candidates. Gallup said 25% of all Americans wanted neither, YouGov put the figure at 22%. So choosing these two candidates was a turn off for a quarter of all Americans.

Those American's who view Hillary unfavorable ran between 55-60% for most of this election cycle, Trump a bit higher and even broke 60% unfavorable at times. You had 8 million people who went to the polls that refused to vote for either candidate, who voted only to protest the fact our two major parties nominated these two very much disliked candidates. Only their avid supporters liked them, it became a choice for most Americans who did vote for one or the other candidate of holding their noses and voting for the lesser of two evils, whom they perceived the least worst candidate, the candidate they disliked the least. But not a choice most of us wanted to make.

Candidates matter, with a decent candidate, one most non-affiliated voters could have supported, Trump would have been left in the dust. But the Democrats didn't offer that candidate, they offered one they had picked four years ago, a very flawed and baggage laden candidate that thought fund raising in deep blue California and New York much more important than campaigning and visiting Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Trump won because he out campaigned her in those three states.

Was Trump the lesser of two evils or was it Hillary? I don't know, evil is evil, I was one of those 8 million that voted against both candidates even though everyone of us 8 million knew we were voting for someone who didn't stand a chance to win. But even so, it beat voting for the lesser of two evils, making a choice we didn't want to make and in the end, we choose to vote against both. Candidates matter.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Trump supporters seem to tout that Trump is sticking it to the establishment. They go on about how Trump is a outsider and on and on.

But if thats the case why are Trump supporters happy about a Republican controlled Congress and a Republican President? Why aren't Trump supporters protesting the hard line establishment cabinet choices or the fact that Trump is peddling the establishments platform? Its almost the equivalent of saying war is peace. What gives, I cannot believe that anyone can be that naive. Are Trump supporters just telling a big lie because they are really just establishment supporters in sheeps clothing?
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Who should he have picked for his cabinet? Did it ever occur to you that 'draining the swamp' largely meant kicking loony, power hungry liberals out of Washington?
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Trump supporters seem to tout that Trump is sticking it to the establishment. They go on about how Trump is a outsider and on and on.

But if thats the case why are Trump supporters happy about a Republican controlled Congress and a Republican President? Why aren't Trump supporters protesting the hard line establishment cabinet choices or the fact that Trump is peddling the establishments platform? Its almost the equivalent of saying war is peace. What gives, I cannot believe that anyone can be that naive. Are Trump supporters just telling a big lie because they are really just establishment supporters in sheeps clothing?
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For a lot of Republicans, it wasn't so much supporting Trump. It was being against Clinton. In the end those Republicans came home and voted against Hillary Clinton. Exit polls showed that 55% of those who voted for Trump was an anti-Clinton vote and not necessarily for Trump. Any other candidate by any other name would have done.

Candidate matters and the Democrats happen to nominate about the only candidate they had who could have lost to Trump. She did in fact do so.
 
Perotista said:
America was offered a choice that quite a lot of Americans didn't want to make. Neither Trump or Clinton was well liked and both candidates set record lows for favorability ratings ever between two major party candidates. Gallup said 25% of all Americans wanted neither, YouGov put the figure at 22%. So choosing these two candidates was a turn off for a quarter of all Americans.

Those American's who view Hillary unfavorable ran between 55-60% for most of this election cycle, Trump a bit higher and even broke 60% unfavorable at times. You had 8 million people who went to the polls that refused to vote for either candidate, who voted only to protest the fact our two major parties nominated these two very much disliked candidates. Only their avid supporters liked them, it became a choice for most Americans who did vote for one or the other candidate of holding their noses and voting for the lesser of two evils, whom they perceived the least worst candidate, the candidate they disliked the least. But not a choice most of us wanted to make.

Candidates matter, with a decent candidate, one most non-affiliated voters could have supported, Trump would have been left in the dust. But the Democrats didn't offer that candidate, they offered one they had picked four years ago, a very flawed and baggage laden candidate that thought fund raising in deep blue California and New York much more important than campaigning and visiting Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Trump won because he out campaigned her in those three states.

Was Trump the lesser of two evils or was it Hillary? I don't know, evil is evil, I was one of those 8 million that voted against both candidates even though everyone of us 8 million knew we were voting for someone who didn't stand a chance to win. But even so, it beat voting for the lesser of two evils, making a choice we didn't want to make and in the end, we choose to vote against both. Candidates matter.
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I agree completely. I can hold my head up and say I voted for neither of the 2 main candidates.
 
Fletch said:
Who should he have picked for his cabinet? Did it ever occur to you that 'draining the swamp' largely meant kicking loony, power hungry liberals out of Washington?
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I did not expect anything out of Trump (good). But Trump attacked establishment Republicans as well as establishment Democrats. But I guess you missed that part.
 
Perotista said:
For a lot of Republicans, it wasn't so much supporting Trump. It was being against Clinton. In the end those Republicans came home and voted against Hillary Clinton. Exit polls showed that 55% of those who voted for Trump was an anti-Clinton vote and not necessarily for Trump. Any other candidate by any other name would have done.

Candidate matters and the Democrats happen to nominate about the only candidate they had who could have lost to Trump. She did in fact do so.
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If they were just voting against Hillary then they were not who I was talking about and that was Trump supporters. You know the ones that bought into the anti-establishment line and all?

Trump campaigned on being a outsider. That was every Trump supporters biggest assertion.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
If they were just voting against Hillary then they were not who I was talking about and that was Trump supporters. You know the ones that bought into the anti-establishment line and all?

Trump campaigned on being a outsider. That was every Trump supporters biggest assertion.
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If one takes the exit polls, crunches the numbers, those who were avidly for Trump wasn't all that many. 21% of all Americans the way I figured. The rest either voted for him because they were more anti-Clinton than pro-Trump giving Trump 46% of the total vote. To be fair, the reverse shows that 24% of all Americans were actually pro-Clinton with the rest of Clinton's vote coming from those who were anti-Trump. But regardless, they all count rather one is votes for a candidate because they really want him to win or votes for a candidate because they don't want the other candidate to win. Neither candidate was popular or well liked, especially by non-affiliated voters which saw some 8 million of them vote third party, who refused to hold their nose and vote for the lesser of two evils.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Trump supporters seem to tout that Trump is sticking it to the establishment. They go on about how Trump is a outsider and on and on.

But if thats the case why are Trump supporters happy about a Republican controlled Congress and a Republican President? Why aren't Trump supporters protesting the hard line establishment cabinet choices or the fact that Trump is peddling the establishments platform? Its almost the equivalent of saying war is peace. What gives, I cannot believe that anyone can be that naive. Are Trump supporters just telling a big lie because they are really just establishment supporters in sheeps clothing?
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Most likely have no clue that Trump changes his mind quite often - they believe that Trump will build a huge border wall (for free!) and deport many millions of really nasty illegal alien felons within a year. Reality will soon set in when PPACA is slowly transformed into TrumpCare and middle class taxes go up to fund it. That $1 trillion infrastructure deal will be cut to 50% (or less) and become a "ten-year" plan with matching state funds required. Wait and see what really happens in those first 100 Trump days.
 
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Most likely have no clue that Trump changes his mind quite often - they believe that Trump will build a huge border wall (for free!) and deport many millions of really nasty illegal alien felons within a year. Reality will soon set in when PPACA is slowly transformed into TrumpCare and middle class taxes go up to fund it. That $1 trillion infrastructure deal will be cut to 50% (or less) and become a "ten-year" plan with matching state funds required. Wait and see what really happens in those first 100 Trump days.
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I find it hard to believe that Trump can make it a 100 days as president.
 
Perotista said:
If one takes the exit polls, crunches the numbers, those who were avidly for Trump wasn't all that many. 21% of all Americans the way I figured. The rest either voted for him because they were more anti-Clinton than pro-Trump giving Trump 46% of the total vote. To be fair, the reverse shows that 24% of all Americans were actually pro-Clinton with the rest of Clinton's vote coming from those who were anti-Trump. But regardless, they all count rather one is votes for a candidate because they really want him to win or votes for a candidate because they don't want the other candidate to win. Neither candidate was popular or well liked, especially by non-affiliated voters which saw some 8 million of them vote third party, who refused to hold their nose and vote for the lesser of two evils.
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Yes it has been well established that many Americans did and do not like the pair. And I am one of them. But those that do like Trump and believed that Trump was anti-establishment are who I am talking about. And it seems that those people are either hard to find or unwilling to be public about their assertions that trump was anti-establishment. Or they try and lie and says that Trump was only anti democrat establishment.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
When the reality of successfully herding congress critters sinks in his interest will fade.
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I just dont see trump handling that well. He will most likely twitter a bunch of insults at congress, and complain about how unfair it all is. But then this anti-establishment thing will comeback up and trump will be banging that drum when things dont go his way.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
I just dont see trump handling that well. He will most likely twitter a bunch of insults at congress, and complain about how unfair it all is. But then this anti-establishment thing will comeback up and trump will be banging that drum when things dont go his way.
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Trump is not ever going to believe the lack of speed to get even simple things done by our government - things that take hour or so in the private sector, like changing a payee name and using a different direct deposit account, can (and do) take months inside the abyss of the federal government. I hope you never have to try to deal with the OPM:

Sinkhole of bureaucracy | The Washington Post
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Yes it has been well established that many Americans did and do not like the pair. And I am one of them. But those that do like Trump and believed that Trump was anti-establishment are who I am talking about. And it seems that those people are either hard to find or unwilling to be public about their assertions that trump was anti-establishment. Or they try and lie and says that Trump was only anti democrat establishment.
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Trump was definitely anti Republican establishment during the primaries. He started feuds with the Bush's, McCain, Rubio, Ryan, Cruz, the RNC, Romney, with different GOP elected officials and more. How Trump governs remains to be seen, but he can't govern effectively if he is both anti Republican and anti Democratic party establishment. He has to rely on those establishment elected Republicans in congress in order to get what he wants. Perhaps reality is hitting him in the face. He needs Ryan and McConnell probably more than they need him.

He can't fight both parties in congress and get what he wants. Trump will probably try, perhaps trying to go over congress's head directly to the people. But will the majority of the people embrace him? Time will tell on that. If Trump reverts to his lifelong held political views prior to running as a Republican, perhaps it might be the Democrats who help him. His lifelong views were quite liberal, he changed some to run as a Republican, will he keep those new views? Will he revert? I don't know. Perhaps he is a wildcard that will end up with neither party's establishment, elected officials backing or helping him?

Then again, he may realize he needs those GOP establishment's elected officials. I gave up trying to figure him out long ago.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Trump supporters seem to tout that Trump is sticking it to the establishment. They go on about how Trump is a outsider and on and on.

But if thats the case why are Trump supporters happy about a Republican controlled Congress and a Republican President?
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Because they believe Trump can get his...and their...way with a Republican-controlled Congress.

Why aren't Trump supporters protesting the hard line establishment cabinet choices or the fact that Trump is peddling the establishments platform?
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His Cabinet choices are not "hard line establishment"...though they all appear to be pretty much hard line in respect to Trump's objectives. Trump is not peddling the establishment's platform, though that's not really the correct way to look at it. The establishment has certain objectives that disregard their own platform. Trump's objectives are counter to those.

Its almost the equivalent of saying war is peace. What gives, I cannot believe that anyone can be that naive. Are Trump supporters just telling a big lie because they are really just establishment supporters in sheeps clothing?
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I don't think you really understand the dynamics of the Republican establishment, the Elites and their support of their objectives, the rebellion of the Republicans against those Elites and the establishment and Trump's place outside of that group. That is probably the cause for your confusion about the whole thing.
 
Republicans will self-deprecate to great lengths in order to tow the party line.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Trump supporters seem to tout that Trump is sticking it to the establishment. They go on about how Trump is a outsider and on and on.

But if thats the case why are Trump supporters happy about a Republican controlled Congress and a Republican President? Why aren't Trump supporters protesting the hard line establishment cabinet choices or the fact that Trump is peddling the establishments platform? Its almost the equivalent of saying war is peace. What gives, I cannot believe that anyone can be that naive. Are Trump supporters just telling a big lie because they are really just establishment supporters in sheeps clothing?
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Why are they Republicans? Trump ran as a Republican.

Trump has to nominate people who can get confirmed by the Senate, which is still largely establishment. It's no good trying to nominate loyalists who can't get confirmed. Also, he has to have people who can do their jobs.

I'm sure Trump will try to do what he said he'd do, but there is the agenda of the Congress to consider. The overall outcome might not be exactly what Trump supporters would wish, but I think that they will appreciate that he's going to bat for them. It's far more than they could ever have expected from Hillary, who regards them as deplorable and not America. (And yes, I realize that Clinton retracted that statement and apologized for it, but it's the kind of thing that can't be unsaid. I think she said what she really thought.)
 
Northern Light said:
Republicans will self-deprecate to great lengths in order to tow the party line.
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I think progs look at Republicans and all they can see is their own inner rot.
 
LowDown said:
I think progs look at Republicans and all they can see is their own inner rot.
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Our whole system is rotten and anyone who can't see that is living in partisan lala land.
 
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