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Fast food CEO Puzder is Labor Secretary

Neomalthusian said:
Trump Labor secretary pick is fast food exec Andrew Puzder - Dec. 8, 2016

Interesting...
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So much for expecting that the Trump administration will crack down on those who hire illegals.

Trump?s secretary of labor pick is exactly the type of pro-immigration Republican Trump campaigned against - Vox

Andy Puzder sounds a lot more like Jeb Bush than Donald Trump.

As an executive in a low-wage industry dominated by “low-skilled” workers (many of them immigrants, and often unauthorized immigrants), Puzder has been an outspoken supporter of low-skilled immigration to the US — and of immigration reform that would legalize unauthorized immigrants who are already here.
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Neomalthusian said:
I guess it's a good thing he didn't pick him to lead DHS then.
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Close enough--let's nominate for Labor someone who heads up an industry paying the lowest wages of any and all industries, and hires almost as many illegals as the meatpackers.
 
calamity said:
Close enough--let's nominate for Labor someone who heads up an industry paying the lowest wages of any and all industries, and hires almost as many illegals as the meatpackers.
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I think you don't understand the concept of entry level jobs. But don't feel bad, you are not alone. But tell me, how much should a 16 year old with no work experience and no high school education make per hour? And further, once you raise the minimum too high, who is going to hire the first time employee?
 
those who voted for Trump hoping for improvements in the way that they're treated at work are most likely in for a long winter.
 
Fletch said:
I think you don't understand the concept of entry level jobs. But don't feel bad, you are not alone. But tell me, how much should a 16 year old with no work experience and no high school education make per hour?
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Whatever he needs in order to be able to pay the rent and car payments and utilities and student loans and save for retirement and kids' college and support his stay at home wife and two kids in New York City.
 
Fletch said:
I think you don't understand the concept of entry level jobs.
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That was several decades ago. Now, the average worker is around 29, HS graduate (70% is at least 20). McD's model budget assumes that employees live in two-income households, don't need childcare, gas, or groceries. But quite a lot are single parents trying to provide for a family.

(Seriously...look attheir actual suggested budget: Forbes Welcome

$90 for electricity? $50 for heating? A mere 600 for rent or mortgage payment? What planet do these "taker"-haters live on?)

The notion that they then work their way up is nonsense. 90% of them are line cooks, cashiers, etc. 9% are 'supervisors' ($13/hr), 2.2% are "managerial".


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...c5bb1d8ff6a_story.html?utm_term=.05df38ddbcb8

Forbes Welcome

Older Workers Are Increasingly Entering Fast-Food Industry - The New York Times





They're not entry level jobs. They are places where people get stuck because they have to work two full-time jobs just to get by, leaving no time to realistically advance themselves. Of course, that's if they're lucky enough to find a second full-time job.

They should just pull themselves up by the bootstraps anyway, practical reality be damned. Right?
 
Neomalthusian said:
Whatever he needs in order to be able to pay the rent and car payments and utilities and student loans and save for retirement and kids' college and support his stay at home wife and two kids in New York City.
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What fantasy land do you live in?
 
Mr Person said:
That was several decades ago. Now, the average worker is around 29, HS graduate (70% is at least 20). McD's model budget assumes that employees live in two-income households, don't need childcare, gas, or groceries. But quite a lot are single parents trying to provide for a family.

(Seriously...look attheir actual suggested budget: Forbes Welcome

$90 for electricity? $50 for heating? A mere 600 for rent or mortgage payment? What planet do these "taker"-haters live on?)

The notion that they then work their way up is nonsense. 90% of them are line cooks, cashiers, etc. 9% are 'supervisors' ($13/hr), 2.2% are "managerial".


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...c5bb1d8ff6a_story.html?utm_term=.05df38ddbcb8

Forbes Welcome

Older Workers Are Increasingly Entering Fast-Food Industry - The New York Times





They're not entry level jobs. They are places where people get stuck because they have to work two full-time jobs just to get by, leaving no time to realistically advance themselves. Of course, that's if they're lucky enough to find a second full-time job.

They should just pull themselves up by the bootstraps anyway, practical reality be damned. Right?
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That is no the fault of the business.

The job is not worth more even if the person doing that job is different now.
 
Mason66 said:
That is no the fault of the business. The job is not worth more even if the person doing that job is different now.
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FFS, can you please at least read what I was responding to before attacking my post? Jesus.

He said this:

Fletch said:
I think you don't understand the concept of entry level jobs. . . But tell me, how much should a 16 year old with no work experience and no high school education make per hour?
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The entirety of my post is pointing out that they are not "entry level jobs" any more. They pay like "entry level jobs" would, but are currently largely occupied by adults trying to provide for families. Nothing I said blamed the business for the jobs not being entry level jobs.



(That I jabbed at McD's laughably unrealistic budget assumptions doesn't mean I'm blaming McD's for the job not being "entry level". That's not how English works).
 
This four years is going to be a tough fight for organized labor.
 
Mr Person said:
FFS, can you please at least read what I was responding to before attacking my post? Jesus.

He said this:



The entirety of my post is pointing out that they are not "entry level jobs" any more. Nothing I said blamed the business for the jobs not being entry level jobs.
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Did you read my post?

It directly answer yours.

The job does not change, as in it will always be an entry level job, even if the person doing the job does.

The person that gets that entry level job can move up if they have the desire to do so, but most don't.

Why do you think it would matter to the business if the person doing the job is 16 or 25 years old.

The job is still worth what the job is worth.
 
Mason66 said:
What fantasy land do you live in?
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It was sarcasm. Poking fun at liberals for constantly suggesting wage laws be designed to meet the needs of a single-income family of four.
 
Ikari said:
Wrestling CEOs, Fast Food CEOs, Republocrat Party Politicians, etc. lol, really "draining the swamp", lol
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Most of them are pretty unorthodox, yeah?
 
Neomalthusian said:
LOL, a 30-year old claim uttered during a contentious divorce proceeding, yeah that's always a reliable indicator of who's a violent tyrant.
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Well...they do say the police were called.
 
Mason66 said:
Did you read my post?

It directly answer yours.

The job does not change, as in it will always be an entry level job, even if the person doing the job does.

The person that gets that entry level job can move up if they have the desire to do so, but most don't.

Why do you think it would matter to the business if the person doing the job is 16 or 25 years old.

The job is still worth what the job is worth.
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The entire notion of an "entry level job" is that it is something you take with little to no qualification or experience. Then, after obtaining said experience and qualifications, you move on. That used to be true of the jobs we're talking about.

It is no longer true. Therefore, they are no longer true "entry level jobs". They are simple minimum wage jobs worked by people who generally have no reasonable prospect for getting anywhere else given their circumstances.


But now, you play a typical forum game: shifting the goal posts.


I was talking to someone else, and explaining the above. You then attacked me based on a lie that I was blaming the business for the fact that these once-"entry level jobs" are no longer "entry level jobs" in the sense that the term was first used:

Mason66 said:
That is no the fault of the business.
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Remember that? It was like....one post back in this exchange.

Either you're trolling or you just can't get past your assumptions about what I must be saying because my lean is "slightly liberal". I am not blaming the business. Yet you assume I am. Hence, unresponsive lines like "Why do you think it would matter to the business if the person doing the job is 16 or 25 years old."

I never said it mattered to the business. In fact, I never said it should matter to the business. The entire point was that it should matter to people who still think they are "entry level jobs".

Again, for the Nth time, I was attempting to translate for you. I was saying that they aren't "entry level jobs" anymore. They're places where people get stuck in. (For the Nth time, I am *not* saying it is the business's fault that that is where people get stuck in). I think you just got hung up on the fact that, in parentheses, I mentioned that McD's suggested budget for its employees makes absurd financial assumptions that don't square with reality.
 
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