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Should California secede? How state is politically out-of-step with rest of country..

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Fishking said:
Maybe, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. I mean, look how long Pelosi has been in office.
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One can dream.

It would be interesting if CA seceded from the US what that would do to the tax base for the people living in CA. CA would be responsible for forming a military, its own social support network, resource protection, etc. The loss of federal dollars would crippling. That and if I was the feds I would send them a bill for all the infrastructure federal dollars were used to build. If CA did leave the US, then we would not have to deal with Pelosi, etc.:lamo
 
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mike2810 said:
One can dream.

It would be interesting if CA seceded from the US what that would do to the tax base for the people living in CA. CA would be responsible for forming a military, its own social support network, resource protection, etc. The loss of federal dollars would crippling. That and if I was the feds I would send them a bill for all the infrastructure federal dollars were used to build. If CA did leave the US, then we would not have to deal with Pelosi, etc.:lamo
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They wouldn't have a military or maritime force. They would do what the rest of the western world does and rely on the U.S. military for their national security.
 
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mike2810 said:
One can dream.

It would be interesting if CA seceded from the US what that would do to the tax base for the people living in CA. CA would be responsible for forming a military, its own social support network, resource protection, etc. The loss of federal dollars would crippling. That and if I was the feds I would send them a bill for all the infrastructure federal dollars were used to build. If CA did leave the US, then we would not have to deal with Pelosi, etc.:lamo
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Loss of federal dollars?

Californians pay more in federal taxes than we get back. It would be a net gain for the Bear Flag Republic.

Of course, Ontologuy is right that it will never happen. The US is not about to lose a ninth of its population and an even bigger share of its tax base.

If secession were to make the ballot, and pass, then what I wonder? Civil war, or simply take down the US flag and raise the Bear Flag the way we did when California became independent from Mexico?
 
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California is not going to 'secede' from the U.S., lol.
 
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Fishking said:
The answer is no. Despite California being a crazy far-left state, that the rest of the country has to suffer from, they are too strategic with their ports and seaboard for that to work. There is also the matter of setting off a chain reaction where if one state goes, then others will do the same and the Union dissolves.

So, no...we'll just continue to look at California like the kid that eats glue and plays with his boogers.
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Well stated.

mike2810 said:
One can dream.

It would be interesting if CA seceded from the US what that would do to the tax base for the people living in CA. CA would be responsible for forming a military, its own social support network, resource protection, etc. The loss of federal dollars would crippling. That and if I was the feds I would send them a bill for all the infrastructure federal dollars were used to build. If CA did leave the US, then we would not have to deal with Pelosi, etc.:lamo
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Or Boxer, or Fagstein, etc.

Abbazorkzog said:
California is not going to 'secede' from the U.S., lol.
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I never believed they would...but these people have to sell news....ya know. ;)
 
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Tanngrisnir said:
Thanks for your admission that you know nothing of what's going on in CA. Why bother to speak about something you don't know or understand?
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I asked some questions. If you won't do me the courtesy of answering them then no matter. I'll look it up for myself.
 
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Kalifornia isn't going to secede. It's just a bunch of butt-hurt leftists crying over Globalist Granny and her followers being handed their butt. I've lived in Kalifornia all my life. Leftists have turned the state into a socialist welfare state with massive taxes and runaway regulations. Leftists control Sacramento and over the years have set out to fashion the place into utopia. Ain't happenin'. As a fact, people and businesses are leaving the state in record numbers.

If you are rich, or very poor, this place is for you. If you are anywhere in between, leave. Because you get raped in massive taxes and other, what the leftists call, "fees." Which is more taxes.

Nice bullet train to nowhere though.
 
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DamnYankee said:
Kalifornia isn't going to secede. It's just a bunch of butt-hurt leftists crying over Globalist Granny and her followers being handed their butt. I've lived in Kalifornia all my life. Leftists have turned the state into a socialist welfare state with massive taxes and runaway regulations. Leftists control Sacramento and over the years have set out to fashion the place into utopia. Ain't happenin'. As a fact, people and businesses are leaving the state in record numbers.

If you are rich, or very poor, this place is for you. If you are anywhere in between, leave. Because you get raped in massive taxes and other, what the leftists call, "fees." Which is more taxes.

Nice bullet train to nowhere though.
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California has the world's eighth largest economy, larger than that of Russia.

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but it does rank ninth among the 50 states in overall taxes:
 
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Dittohead not! said:
California has the world's eighth largest economy, larger than that of Russia.
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No doubt. Kalifornia also has big taxes and overbearing regulations.

Just prior to retiring I did some research on overall tax burdens by state. Kalifornia ranks 41st to 49th, depending on who you listen to, Forbes, Kiplinger, etc. Kalifornia isn't a tax friendly state.
 
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DamnYankee said:
No doubt. Kalifornia also has big taxes and overbearing regulations.

Just prior to retiring I did some research on overall tax burdens by state. Kalifornia ranks 41st to 49th, depending on who you listen to, Forbes, Kiplinger, etc. Kalifornia isn't a tax friendly state.
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If California has big taxes and overbearing regulations, as you say, yet has the 8th. largest economy in the world, larger than that of most nations, what can we conclude from that?

According to my link, California was #9 (from the highest) in taxes.

When I researched the idea of moving to Oregon, I found that my personal state tax bite would increase by about $5,000 if I did move there. Oregon taxes are lower for the wealthy, but not so much for the middle class.

Yes, California has high taxes, lots of regulations, and is run by the Democrats. Voters in San Francisco and Los Angeles dominate politics. Nevertheless, it still has a vibrant economy and some of the highest priced real estate in the nation. Lots of people live here, maybe despite the political system.
 
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DamnYankee said:
No doubt. Kalifornia also has big taxes and overbearing regulations.

Just prior to retiring I did some research on overall tax burdens by state. Kalifornia ranks 41st to 49th, depending on who you listen to, Forbes, Kiplinger, etc. Kalifornia isn't a tax friendly state.
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all that and it is still the ninth largest economy in the world
 
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Dittohead not! said:
If California has big taxes and overbearing regulations, as you say, yet has the 8th. largest economy in the world, larger than that of most nations, what can we conclude from that?

According to my link, California was #9 (from the highest) in taxes.

When I researched the idea of moving to Oregon, I found that my personal state tax bite would increase by about $5,000 if I did move there. Oregon taxes are lower for the wealthy, but not so much for the middle class.

Yes, California has high taxes, lots of regulations, and is run by the Democrats. Voters in San Francisco and Los Angeles dominate politics. Nevertheless, it still has a vibrant economy and some of the highest priced real estate in the nation. Lots of people live here, maybe despite the political system.
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The Progressive-State Depression - Stephen Moore

Common sense will tell you, something is not right with Kalifornia. And that is runaway leftists screwing up everything they touch.
 
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MickeyW said:
Not since 2010 has California felt itself politically so out of step with the times. That year the state resisted the nationwide wave of anti-incumbent, anti-regulation and anti-big government voting to elect Jerry Brown as governor, ease the passage of big-money state budgets and turn away a challenge to its pioneering greenhouse gas regulations.

Should California secede? How the state is politically out-of-step with the rest of the country - LA Times


What a laugh....Brown is as much Big Govt. as they get.....he's a chameleon. ;)

And like all Democrat uber Lefties....he's ruining the state. But he's not alone, the Legislature in Sacramento is full of uber Lefties.
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They could not afford to do it with Trump in office. He would slap a 35% tariff on anything they tried to sell the rest of us.

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I think we should give california to mexico as a thank you present for the wall they are going to build for us

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DamnYankee said:
The Progressive-State Depression - Stephen Moore

Common sense will tell you, something is not right with Kalifornia. And that is runaway leftists screwing up everything they touch.
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Only if you believe that "leftist", however you define it, means economic collapse.

California is very much a part of the left coast. I get that, after all, I live in that state and in one of the "red" areas no less. Nevertheless, the mantra that California is going down the drain is not supported by the facts.

For one thing, if the wealthy are leaving the state in droves, why is there such a demand for million plus dollar homes?
 
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trouble13 said:
I think we should give california to mexico as a thank you present for the wall they are going to build for us

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It's not yours to give.
If you (the rest of the country) don't want California, then let's bring back the Bear Flag Republic. Once our "liberal" government institutes universal health care, and businesses don't have to provide insurance for their employees any longer, we'll see how many companies relocate to the new nation.
 
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Disgruntled Democrats Want A Constitutional Convention To Leave The Union

On Tuesday, disgruntled Democrats held a forum to discuss the possibility of replacing the Electoral College.

Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) conceded that Democrats could not get rid of the Electoral College due to the way the United States Constitution is written.

“I don’t think we can sustain our American democracy by having the majority ruled by the minority. And so the question is how to fix this since the Constitution is written in such a way that it’s almost impossible to amend,” Lofgren said.
Disgruntled Democrats Want A Constitutional Convention To Leave The Union | Need To Know Network
 
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MickeyW said:
Not since 2010 has California felt itself politically so out of step with the times. That year the state resisted the nationwide wave of anti-incumbent, anti-regulation and anti-big government voting to elect Jerry Brown as governor, ease the passage of big-money state budgets and turn away a challenge to its pioneering greenhouse gas regulations.

Should California secede? How the state is politically out-of-step with the rest of the country - LA Times


What a laugh....Brown is as much Big Govt. as they get.....he's a chameleon. ;)

And like all Democrat uber Lefties....he's ruining the state. But he's not alone, the Legislature in Sacramento is full of uber Lefties.
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Yes, godspeed California, godspeed
 
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Dittohead not! said:
It's not yours to give.
If you (the rest of the country) don't want California, then let's bring back the Bear Flag Republic. Once our "liberal" government institutes universal health care, and businesses don't have to provide insurance for their employees any longer, we'll see how many companies relocate to the new nation.
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Hahaha ! Yea, because that worked so well in Vermont

They passed their Single payer initiative back in 2011, it was called " Green mountain care ".

So what happened ? Why did Vermont abandon it ? Because the cost for Vermont's single payer plan was 2.8 billion dollars a year but their entire State budget was only 2.5 billion

They had to raise a additional 2.8 Billion dollars annually to pay for it. That's what happened to it.
 
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Dittohead not! said:
It's not yours to give.
If you (the rest of the country) don't want California, then let's bring back the Bear Flag Republic. Once our "liberal" government institutes universal health care, and businesses don't have to provide insurance for their employees any longer, we'll see how many companies relocate to the new nation.
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Im good with that. Its not about me wanting or not wanting them. If they want to secede i think we should do it peacefully and hopefully remain freinds afterward.

In fact when you get down to the nuts n bolts of it all i am completely empathetic to states that want to get out from under fefetal domain. Federal overreach is a problem. Im not sure secession is the right approach but i respect how they feel

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Dittohead not! said:
Only if you believe that "leftist", however you define it, means economic collapse.

California is very much a part of the left coast. I get that, after all, I live in that state and in one of the "red" areas no less. Nevertheless, the mantra that California is going down the drain is not supported by the facts.

For one thing, if the wealthy are leaving the state in droves, why is there such a demand for million plus dollar homes?
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I don't believe I said anything about housing? Or the wealthy leaving in droves. What I did say however, is the middle class is leaving because leftists have made it extremely difficult for families to remain in Kalifornia because of massive taxes and overbearing regulations. Same goes for some businesses.
 
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DamnYankee said:
I don't believe I said anything about housing? Or the wealthy leaving in droves. What I did say however, is the middle class is leaving because leftists have made it extremely difficult for families to remain in Kalifornia because of massive taxes and overbearing regulations. Same goes for some businesses.
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California's demographics don't support your assertion. I already told you, for example, why this particular middle class person abandoned the idea of moving to Oregon.

But, if you can support the assertion that the middle class is abandoning California, please do. Perhaps I'm missing something.
 
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