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Why Hillary Clinton Lost

Hillary promised continued prosperity and growth. If you don't remember what preceded Obama you are about to be reminded. His choices for his advisors pretty much assure a train wreck. I hope I am wrong but......

I hope you are as wrong about Trump's advisors as you are about what Hillary was promising. I will allow you credit for saying that she promised 'continued. . . .' that anybody would know would be continuation of the policies that have created the slowest sustained growth we have seen for many a moon or maybe ever and a misery index unknown since the Carter administration. The fact that she insisted everything was just fine and dandy and we would improve on that told those of us who were paying attention that she would fix nothing and make things much worse.
 
This is not from FOX News. Maybe Democrats and liberals can learn something from it.

Why Hillary Clinton Lost | The Huffington Post

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Holy crap batman, what a pant load of progressive BS from little Zach Carter, Progressive acolyte.

There are lots of reasons Hillary lost, most of them are well known to those who didn't vote for her, but typically vote Democrat.

Defeat the fascists? This kid actually wrote that?

Probably should add this kids screed, and it's sentiment, to the list of reasons Hillary lost.
 
I agree, and you can see the mentality of the Clinton campaign leaders right here:

Shouting match erupts between Clinton and Trump aides

These deluded people incorrectly believe that Trump's campaign was a platform for white supremacists, racists, bigots, and their other favorite 'isms' to falsely accuse people of.

As long as that mentality prevails, there'll only be more Democratic losses at the polls, with their divisive and nasty identity politics.

I agree. The drumbeat of moral superiority just isn't working for them anymore. People are sick and tired of being accused of being racist, sexist, homophobic, or any of the other -ists because we don't embrace statism and destructive leftist socialism and mindset. And Trump was the beginning of us casting off those hateful adjectives and trying for a better, more free, less hateful, and more prosperous America.
 
I hope you are as wrong about Trump's advisors as you are about what Hillary was promising. I will allow you credit for saying that she promised 'continued. . . .' that anybody would know would be continuation of the policies that have created the slowest sustained growth we have seen for many a moon or maybe ever and a misery index unknown since the Carter administration. The fact that she insisted everything was just fine and dandy and we would improve on that told those of us who were paying attention that she would fix nothing and make things much worse.

So the fastest growing economy in the western world is not enough for you? Wait until the Trump Recession. Uncertainty is the enemy of growth and Trump is the KING of uncertainty.
 
I agree. The drumbeat of moral superiority just isn't working for them anymore. People are sick and tired of being accused of being racist, sexist, homophobic, or any of the other -ists because we don't embrace statism and destructive leftist socialism and mindset. And Trump was the beginning of us casting off those hateful adjectives and trying for a better, more free, less hateful, and more prosperous America.


Yep, either you agree with the left or they threaten you with a loud and prolonged session of name calling. To me, that's a mild form of oppression, which is part of the reason why people when polled this election season, didn't tell the pollsters the truth.
 
You're right. We don't know what we will get in a President Trump, but at least he gave us some hope that we would get somebody with the right perspective and will to accomplish some good in areas that we desperately need some positive change. We could be disappointed, but it is hard to image that he would make things worse than the miserable status quo that we now have.

Hillary on the other hand only assured us that she intended to double down on the misery index and would not address ANY of the issues or problems that many if not most of us care about.

So here we are. I have no doubt that we elected the better candidate of the two of them and I am cautiously optimistic that this will be a really good thing.
Im kind of in the same place as you are with this. Clinton was a no go from the get go and trump says good stuff and now he needs a chanve to back it up. Hopefully he does.

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Yep, either you agree with the left or they threaten you with a loud and prolonged session of name calling. To me, that's a mild form of oppression, which is part of the reason why people when polled this election season, didn't tell the pollsters the truth.

It is true. Freedom of expression is a powerful weapon and suppressing it is the right thing to do. You know like Bush said "You are either with us or on the side of the terrorists".
 
I agree, and you can see the mentality of the Clinton campaign leaders right here:

Shouting match erupts between Clinton and Trump aides

These deluded people incorrectly believe that Trump's campaign was a platform for white supremacists, racists, bigots, and their other favorite 'isms' to falsely accuse people of.

As long as that mentality prevails, there'll only be more Democratic losses at the polls, with their divisive and nasty identity politics.


I don't see it from the race supremacists aspect, but rather the conduct of these two, first the Democrat who fired first, and then Kelly Trump's bitch. Neither showed one iota of statesmanship or reason, one reason why either is fit for office and proved that both only care about power. The anger and hatred displayed before a University crowd and broadcast nationwide lowered politics somewhere below the gutter.

While I fault both, Hilary's bitch blew any claim to moral superiority by launching the attack, demonstrating that the needs of the nation will again be a priority behind the needs of the Democrats and who ever inherits the reins.


It also displays that the Trump camp isn't going to change, every slight, every claim is going to become a war of words....meaning that the re-unification of a divided America is not on his agenda either.
 
Im kind of in the same place as you are with this. Clinton was a no go from the get go and trump says good stuff and now he needs a chanve to back it up. Hopefully he does.

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I hope he does too. I hope he starts some long term goals that this country is is need of. Our infrastructure you cannot fix in 1 or 2 terms. We need someone with vision Like Hoover and the Hoover Dam that is still making this country billions of dollars every year. Or the highway system which clearly is still making this country great. We need to move on to even bigger and better projects that will continue to make this country great for decades or longer down the road. The band-aids our previous leaders have put on things and the quick pat on the back is not what makes a country great.
 
I don't see it from the race supremacists aspect, but rather the conduct of these two, first the Democrat who fired first, and then Kelly Trump's bitch. Neither showed one iota of statesmanship or reason, one reason why either is fit for office and proved that both only care about power. The anger and hatred displayed before a University crowd and broadcast nationwide lowered politics somewhere below the gutter.

While I fault both, Hilary's bitch blew any claim to moral superiority by launching the attack, demonstrating that the needs of the nation will again be a priority behind the needs of the Democrats and who ever inherits the reins.


It also displays that the Trump camp isn't going to change, every slight, every claim is going to become a war of words....meaning that the re-unification of a divided America is not on his agenda either.

Statesmanship or reason? Well, these people aren't statesman, they are campaign staff and leaders, so I kinda think that the two things aren't likely to cross each other very often. In my view these are the dyed to the wick, hard core partisans, which would bleed their party's colors if you'd cut them.

Anger and hatred? Yeah, there was that, but what do you expect when you are falsely accused of running a campaign platform that enabled, supported and in essence ran a candidate who was a white supremacist? (along with all the other favorite isms from the Hillary campaign). All that is one great big steaming pile.

Trump camp. I think a distinction is going to be need to be drawn between the campaign camp and the governing camp. I'm pretty certain that these are going to be two separate groups of people with two separate groups of requirements for their roles and that they'll be fulfilling those separate roles with separate skills and approaches.

Moral superiority? No, the Hillary camp never could legitimately claim that. Oh sure, they claimed it a bunch of times, but as the WikiLeaks emails from Podestra (and others from the Hillary camp I believe) have shown, there was never any moral superiority that could be legitimately claimed, only falsely claimed, as they had.
 
This is not from FOX News. Maybe Democrats and liberals can learn something from it.

Why Hillary Clinton Lost | The Huffington Post



The problem with this article is that it correctly deplores the arrogance and elitism of the Hillary campaign, which certainly was ONE of the major causes of her defeat, BUT it continues to engage in the same arrogant elitism itself.

While correctly chastising Hillary for labeling Trump supporters as white racists and a "basket of deplorables", it perpetuates that same myth by calling Trump's campaign a "white nationalist campaign".

Thus they turn around and themselves label Trump supporters as racist white people.


In point of fact, Trump did appeal more to whites than not. He did appeal to "nationalists" (people who want the President to put America first) more than not. But nationalists-who-happen-to-be-white is not the same as when you say it "white nationalists". That's Leftist code for racists.


Trump's appeal wasn't about racism. Yes, there were some racist orgs who were relatively happy with him, but that wasn't his base.

There aren't enough white racists in the country to elect a President.



Not nearly.


There are, however, enough people who want our government to put America's interests and needs ahead of other countries and ahead of illegal immigrants and refugees from questionable places, many of whom happen to be white (but not all by a long shot), to elect a President.


Even one most of us don't really like that much.



It's really just that Hillary was so horrifically awful in comparison. An unconvicted felon who is only free from prison due to Obama's administration's favor. Someone who sold State Dept access to the highest bidder. An utterly corrupt narcissist who seems to have no limits to her corruption. Someone who dismissed half the people she wanted to govern as "deplorables".



THAT is why she lost.



If the Dems had put up someone who came across as reasonable, moderate and halfway trustworthy, they would have won against Trump.



But this article simply maintains the same arrogant elitism that cost Hillary so many votes.
 
Statesmanship or reason? Well, these people aren't statesman, they are campaign staff and leaders, so I kinda think that the two things aren't likely to cross each other very often. In my view these are the dyed to the wick, hard core partisans, which would bleed their party's colors if you'd cut them.

Anger and hatred? Yeah, there was that, but what do you expect when you are falsely accused of running a campaign platform that enabled, supported and in essence ran a candidate who was a white supremacist? (along with all the other favorite isms from the Hillary campaign). All that is one great big steaming pile.

Trump camp. I think a distinction is going to be need to be drawn between the campaign camp and the governing camp. I'm pretty certain that these are going to be two separate groups of people with two separate groups of requirements for their roles and that they'll be fulfilling those separate roles with separate skills and approaches.

Moral superiority? No, the Hillary camp never could legitimately claim that. Oh sure, they claimed it a bunch of times, but as the WikiLeaks emails from Podestra (and others from the Hillary camp I believe) have shown, there was never any moral superiority that could be legitimately claimed, only falsely claimed, as they had.



You and I have long talked about setting a higher standard for high political office. I believe being a leader of anything takes character, and the United States demands that. There hasn't been in a long time in part, because of the argument you're making. Secondly, both sides lied like **** so false accusations are a non starter. When you sling cow **** you can't claim to be totally clean.

A true professional would be able to set their petty feelings aside and conduct a forum in an adult manner, set an example and at least try to show the people that the next four years are not going to be more petty, intercine, gotcha squabbling. Instead they both demonstrate that its business as usual in Washington, fighting over scraps like beggars at a banquette.

The longer you allow them to behave like children, the longer the country will be childishly run and both sides stop playing to partisan anger and hatred. None of you has learned from the Obama years, still following exactly as Machiavelli predicted in "the Prince".

So far I can see no real difference between the "alt right" and the Obama apologists...it's SOS, same **** only softer.
 
Did ya'll actually read this? What a bunch of bull****. Trump no more catered to bigots and white supremacists or any other '-ists' than any of us would have done running a campaign. He did tap into those of us who feel shafted by the current system, ignored and/or disrespected by our elected representatives, and who are sick and tired of stupid policies that advantage everybody but those who have to pay the bills.

Hillary lost because she catered to the victim mentality, the hard left, those who hate everybody who isn't just like them, sticking it to those of us who pay the bills, and/or 'she is a woman.' And her calling all of us 'deplorable' and worse didn't help her in the least.

And from articles like the one cited in the OP, and the other silliness I see almost everywhere, it is becoming increasingly obvious that the Democrats haven't learned a darn thing from this experience.

I actually hard a hard time reading through all that crap myself. But, it did also give the left some things to think about, and not from Fox News.
 
This is not from FOX News. Maybe Democrats and liberals can learn something from it.

Why Hillary Clinton Lost | The Huffington Post
The Huffington Post article makes assumptions not in evidence, basic blind-eye assmptions that Hillary and her gang was "too good" to win.

She lost because: http://www.debatepolitics.com/general-political-discussion/269816-prussians-were-woods.html.. Though I was wrong about #7, it turned out -- millions of non-citizens did vote (even though they were not all, indeed, illegal aliens) .. but it was the poll-silent rural average IQers who were quite a lot in number, they were the "Prussians in the woods" who put Trump over.
 
You and I have long talked about setting a higher standard for high political office. I believe being a leader of anything takes character, and the United States demands that. There hasn't been in a long time in part, because of the argument you're making.

True, we have long discussed needing higher standards for political office, but considering the political and electoral systems in place, good people are weeded out, get frustrated, recognize these systems and the campaigning environment for what they are and refuse to subject themselves to it therefore public service.

Secondly, both sides lied like **** so false accusations are a non starter. When you sling cow **** you can't claim to be totally clean.

A true professional would be able to set their petty feelings aside and conduct a forum in an adult manner, set an example and at least try to show the people that the next four years are not going to be more petty, intercine, gotcha squabbling. Instead they both demonstrate that its business as usual in Washington, fighting over scraps like beggars at a banquette.

There were quite a few adult, establishment politicians running in the GOP primary, but they were only repeating the same old song and dance / party line (with a little variation), and not addressing the concerns of the electorate, which apparently had had enough of that, hence the GOP primary outcome. Seems that electorate has become frustrated and impatient at the 'same ol' same ol' and are looking for a change in direction.

On the Dem side, there was Bernie, definitely not an establishment politician, who, it would appear, was torpedoed by the DNC in favor for an establishment candidate.

The longer you allow them to behave like children, the longer the country will be childishly run and both sides stop playing to partisan anger and hatred. None of you has learned from the Obama years, still following exactly as Machiavelli predicted in "the Prince".

So far I can see no real difference between the "alt right" and the Obama apologists...it's SOS, same **** only softer.

The "alt right" is from the fevered imaginations of the left, in search of a boogeyman, not only one on which they can blame the election loss, but one they can just as equally pivot and attach the president-elect and his administration, before it even has begun, if you can imagine.

I think the political left, along with their media lapdogs, as demonstrated by their colluding with their favored campaign, will make their negative one sided coverage of Bush when he was in office look like a walk in the park, or perhaps fair and balanced in comparison. Any Trump positive will be regulated to the back pages if covered at all, and any Trump negative will be front page news and heavily covered. This isn't serving the nation, nor is it serving the nation well.

I take solace in in the impression that the electorate has now seen the media for what it is, and what it does, and perhaps the electorate will ignore their biased attacks, so they have no impact. The media, no doubt, will continue the same, only to wake up one day and find themselves ignored, having relegated themselves to that role and position through their self-inflicted and self-mandated biased attacks.

They need to return to 'just the facts', at least their news coverage does.
 
You have no idea what Trump as in store and it will not be what you hope. Be prepared for a lot of "I told you so's'. You will deserve what you get, the rest of us not so much. Just like GW Bush.

My expectations are pretty low

I don't expect him to accomplish much....I see the established GOP trying to block him on things as well as the democrats

One of the reasons I am less worried about him than I was about Hillary

Could he screw it's all up? Oh yeah....he can be a buffoon and that doesn't work too well on the world stage

But he could also be great....and be more presidential than I thought he could be....

I have a wait and see approach....maybe that is the way we should all approach it

But then again...in this partisan world, almost an impossible ask
 
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