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America great again: Carrier stays

BO, LBJ, and JEC, not necessarily in that order but all three were pretty bad. In terms of radical leftist, BO is by far the worse. He essentially was the leading reason for the nation's decline. IMO.

Absolutely agree.

So keeping a 1,000 jobs in America is all it took to make it great again?

Cool.

Not in and of itself, but it's a good start to right the many wrongs of obama. ;)

You have to start somewhere. 1000 jobs is more than BO ever dreamed of saving. Watch and learn.

The libs have to take their heads out of their asses first and get over themselves.
 
Those things are nice since I believe in the constitution. There are others though like the shrinking deficit. lowest rate of government spending increase since Eisenhower, record stock market growth, cut unemployment in half, longest period of private sector growth in American history, 79 straight months of economic expansion, some of the lowest income taxes for 95% of the population for the last 50 years, less dependence on foreign oil, millions more American have health insurance. So yeah, it better than when he took office.

Wow, you got almost all the talking points in there. Too bad they're mostly bull****. :roll:
 
Wow, you got almost all the talking points in there. Too bad they're mostly bull****. :roll:

There are links to back it up. What have you got?
 
There are links to back it up. What have you got?

Yes, links that regurgitate the same nonsense. For one, the labor participation rate has never been lower, so, the "employment" numbers are utterly and completely manufactured out of whole cloth.

What have I got? November 8, 2016. ;)
 
Yes, links that regurgitate the same nonsense. For one, the labor participation rate has never been lower, so, the "employment" numbers are utterly and completely manufactured out of whole cloth.

What have I got? November 8, 2016. ;)

So, the beginning of what has all the potential to be the worst presidency since before Washington is what you've got.....excellent.
 
Calling people racist who haven't demonstrated racism is one of the reasons your side lost, stop crying wolf.

You are not fighting racism, people like you are actually making it harder to fight genuine racism. Much like false accusations of rape. Stop trying to steal from the genuine outrage racism warrants just to be insulting. Its really not worth it. "That's racist" has almost lost all its impact. And you turn away people who may have been on your side with these attempts to label and dismiss people.

We cannot move forward as a unified nation with that kind of discourse. Unless you want your side to maintain ZERO institutional power, cut it out FFS.

Obama is the blackest President of all time. He is not the worst. He is not the most liberal. It's not even close. Anyone with honest intentions can agree with this.

We aren't going to move forward as a unified nation. We can't even agree what a fact is even anymore. Propaganda has consumed social media and people don't care if is true or not. Post-fact America sure as hell better not be unified. It will be the death of us.
 
From the earliest days of his campaign, Donald J. Trump made keeping manufacturing jobs in the United States his signature economic issue, and the decision by Carrier, the big air-conditioner company, to move 2,000 of them from Indiana to Mexico was a tailor-made talking point for him on the stump.

On Thursday, Mr. Trump and Mike Pence, Indiana’s governor and the vice-president elect, plan to appear at Carrier’s Indianapolis plant to announce they’ve struck a deal with the company to keep roughly half of the jobs in the state, according to officials with the transition team as well as Carrier.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/b...-carrier-plant-will-keep-jobs-in-us.html?_r=0

How much taxpayer money did that cost then?
 
How much taxpayer money did that cost then?
Do you mean did they take taxpayer dollars from other areas and give them to Carrier or you mean did they allow Carrier to keep more of their profits in order to save the tax payers $52 million in job income and avoid paying $42 million plus in unemployment and other benefits?
 
Do you mean did they take taxpayer dollars from other areas and give them to Carrier or you mean did they allow Carrier to keep more of their profits in order to save the tax payers $52 million in job income and avoid paying $42 million plus in unemployment and other benefits?

That's 6 in one, half dozen in the other. Government always gets paid. You can say "allow Carrier to keep more of their profits", but what they get in tax incentives is taken up in slack elsewhere.

There's no such thing as a free lunch.
 
That's 6 in one, half dozen in the other. Government always gets paid. You can say "allow Carrier to keep more of their profits", but what they get in tax incentives is taken up in slack elsewhere.

There's no such thing as a free lunch.
Whoa. Theres a WORLD of difference between calling something TAXPAYERS MONEY and saying a company can keep more of THEIR money...wouldnt you agree?
 
Wow, you got almost all the talking points in there. Too bad they're mostly bull****. :roll:

Quantifiable evidence of a better economy is mostly bull**** to you? I guess that goes a long way to explaining why you vote Republican.
 
So keeping a 1,000 jobs in America is all it took to make it great again?

Cool.

A lot more than obama did. Wher was the President when Carrier announced this move? Pulling his pud?

Those are all rosy scenarios if they really meant anything.

O bomb a had no positive influence on our growing independence from foreign oil, yes millions more have health insurance at the expense of others, leaving many if not most of us to HCINO, health care in name only with drastically rising premiums/co pays/ deductibles, we were lied to about keeping our plans and doctors. Shrinking deficits after all time highs, yeah, looks good only from that perspective. Stock market looks good for BIG BUSINESS cronies of O and Hill/Billy thanks to ol O bomb a.

As regards the Constitution, you seem to believe in it if the Supreme Court rules in your side's immoralities. The divisiveness created under this president, the growth of the national debt, the despair in minority communities, the violence and disruption of law and order, the reverse racism, the sexism, the overwhelming lies and deceit, the use of the IRS against targeted folks of opposite ideology, the hollowing out of our military pushing the good and strong to remove themselves from such a mess and promoting social engineering that does little to improve what the military is there for, to deter and, if not, to fight and win... but our rules of engagement put our young men and women in unnecessary danger.

I mean, I could go on and on and on off the top of my head how bad this president was/is and has been for our country, our true ideals and heritage.

Stellar Post!!! I agree in total! :applaud
 
Whoa. Theres a WORLD of difference between calling something TAXPAYERS MONEY and saying a company can keep more of THEIR money...wouldnt you agree?

If it stopped at that..yes. If government wouldn't take that money they lost out in other ways, then no.

The budget isn't decreasing, the state government will make less money by providing these incentives, the budget still grows. So either they raise taxes on the People to make up the shortfall, or the add to the debt which is on the tax payer. Any way, it comes back to the tax payer. If government decreased their spending by the amount of tax revenue they will have lost out on through these incentives, maybe we could just call it "keeping more of THEIR money", but end of the day, any incentive, and exception, and subsidy is backed by the American Tax Payer.

As I said, there's no such thing as a free lunch.
 
If it stopped at that..yes. If government wouldn't take that money they lost out in other ways, then no.

The budget isn't decreasing, the state government will make less money by providing these incentives, the budget still grows. So either they raise taxes on the People to make up the shortfall, or the add to the debt which is on the tax payer. Any way, it comes back to the tax payer. If government decreased their spending by the amount of tax revenue they will have lost out on through these incentives, maybe we could just call it "keeping more of THEIR money", but end of the day, any incentive, and exception, and subsidy is backed by the American Tax Payer.

As I said, there's no such thing as a free lunch.
The state will recognize an immediate annual gain of approx $92 million. Thats before you start looking at $$$s lost to home payments, unemployment insurance costs, healthcare costs assumed by the state, costs to retrain, costs to sustain an unemployed workforce, etc.
 
The state will recognize an immediate annual gain of approx $92 million. Thats before you start looking at $$$s lost to home payments, unemployment insurance costs, healthcare costs assumed by the state, costs to retrain, costs to sustain an unemployed workforce, etc.

It's not an immediate gain, they were going to transfer 2000 jobs to Mexico and now they're going to keep 1000 jobs open in Indiana for some amount of time (we don't know how long). So they're still losing about 1000 jobs and the government had to pay to get the other 1000 to stay. So there's already upfront losses that will be passed onto the tax payer.
 
It's not an immediate gain, they were going to transfer 2000 jobs to Mexico and now they're going to keep 1000 jobs open in Indiana for some amount of time (we don't know how long). So they're still losing about 1000 jobs and the government had to pay to get the other 1000 to stay. So there's already upfront losses that will be passed onto the tax payer.
You keep saying they have to pay to get the other 1000 to stay. What did they have to pay? Specifically?
 
You keep saying they have to pay to get the other 1000 to stay. What did they have to pay? Specifically?

They had to provide all those incentives to get them to stay. Do you think Carrier would stay if they weren't given incentives to do so. It's not "keeping their money" because the loss in revenue to government will be passed onto the Tax Payers in some way, since the budget won't decrease. They didn't lower corporate tax rates in the State, they just gave this company a special deal to convince them to stay...at least for a little while so that Trump can use this as political capital. This is essentially a form of corporate welfare.

There's no such thing as a free lunch.
 
They had to provide all those incentives to get them to stay. Do you think Carrier would stay if they weren't given incentives to do so. It's not "keeping their money" because the loss in revenue to government will be passed onto the Tax Payers in some way, since the budget won't decrease. They didn't lower corporate tax rates in the State, they just gave this company a special deal to convince them to stay...at least for a little while so that Trump can use this as political capital. This is essentially a form of corporate welfare.

There's no such thing as a free lunch.
What did they have to pay? Specifically?
 
What did they have to pay? Specifically?

They didn't give specifics other than to say that Indiana will provide Carrier with "economic incentives" to stay. They aren't staying out of the goodness of their heart, that's for sure.
 
They didn't give specifics other than to say that Indiana will provide Carrier with "economic incentives" to stay. They aren't staying out of the goodness of their heart, that's for sure.
Oh no. Im certain they were given some form of incentive...be it tax related, variance on ACA mandates, or merely the ability for its parent company to keep its federal defense contracts. But right now, what we know is that 1000 jobs valued at approx $52k per year in Indiana are not going to mejico. And that is all.
 
It's not an immediate gain, they were going to transfer 2000 jobs to Mexico and now they're going to keep 1000 jobs open in Indiana for some amount of time (we don't know how long). So they're still losing about 1000 jobs and the government had to pay to get the other 1000 to stay. So there's already upfront losses that will be passed onto the tax payer.

Don't forget the 375 jobs Rexnord is taking from Indiana and giving to Mexico.
 
BO, LBJ, and JEC, not necessarily in that order but all three were pretty bad. In terms of radical leftist, BO is by far the worse. He essentially was the leading reason for the nation's decline. IMO.

So keeping a 1,000 jobs in America is all it took to make it great again?

Cool.

That's 6 in one, half dozen in the other. Government always gets paid. You can say "allow Carrier to keep more of their profits", but what they get in tax incentives is taken up in slack elsewhere.

There's no such thing as a free lunch.

Still beats the huge loss in jobs caused by obama...
 
Oh no. Im certain they were given some form of incentive...be it tax related, variance on ACA mandates, or merely the ability for its parent company to keep its federal defense contracts. But right now, what we know is that 1000 jobs valued at approx $52k per year in Indiana are not going to mejico. And that is all.

And that 1000 others still are going to Mexico.

But in the end, this smacks of political ploy, who knows if those jobs will actually stay there or not or how much money Indiana has to pay to get those 1000 jobs to stay. Kabuki theater.

There's no such thing as a free lunch.
 
Still beats the huge loss in jobs caused by obama...

You're own link claimed that this year under Obama we've been adding 180,000 jobs/month.
 
The ol' hoodwink maneuver.

The money Carrier loses staying in the US can be tacked on the other end of United Technologies products for national defense.

The devil is in the details. I would sure like to hear the details.
 
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