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Why Hillary, Democrats, And Liberals Lost

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Why'd Hillary lose?

In a change election running an establishment candidate is a winning strategy?
 
Hillary lost because she is a terrible candidate. There.

Hopefully she retires from public life, or at the very least stops trying to run for POTUS.
 
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I hope this OP link snippet helps:

It turns out the Obama coalition isn’t bullet-proof or transferable – the key ingredient in it was Obama.
Further, it’s not entirely fair but our TV age demands a candidate who’s extrovertish and likes talking to 10,000 people at a time. The best wonk cred doesn’t help if you can’t do that well, as Hillary and the Democrats found out. Barack Obama was different – an introvertish, charismatic wonk – but never mind.

Bernie Sanders, my candidate, had the “it” factor in spades; he with the crumpled suit, rumpled hair, had genuineness, passion and honesty as his main accouterments.

The first paragraphs (above) have some credibility but the last sentence (above) seems to destroy much of that.

It takes a combination of factors to win - they are not necessarily the same factors in the party primary and the general elections.
 
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Why did the Democratic Party lose this important election? Before one moves forward, it is important to look backward and properly identify the reasons and learn the right lessons. So, in that spirit I offer some thoughts.

Democrats used to say about electoral politics, “It’s the economy, stupid.” I’ll modify that and say, “It’s also the candidate, stupid.” This may hurt Hillary Clinton supporters, but she was completely the wrong candidate for progressives this election.
She had the resume, but in addition, the Democratic candidate for this election had to be almost squeaky-clean, passionate and have the “it” factor too. Unfortunately, she lacked these key ingredients.
One fatal mistake the Clinton campaign made was in thinking that demographics and their fancy political machine were enough to win elections. They forgot that the candidate is the ultimate closer who “brings it home.”

They relied on the famous Obama coalition – minorities, women, millennials – so much that they relatively neglected the white working class voters in the Rust Belt states.
It turns out the Obama coalition isn’t bullet-proof or transferable – the key ingredient in it was Obama.

Further, it’s not entirely fair but our TV age demands a candidate who’s extrovertish and likes talking to 10,000 people at a time. The best wonk cred doesn’t help if you can’t do that well, as Hillary and the Democrats found out. Barack Obama was different – an introvertish, charismatic wonk – but never mind.

Bernie Sanders, my candidate, had the “it” factor in spades; he with the crumpled suit, rumpled hair, had genuineness, passion and honesty as his main accouterments.
Lastly, I can’t reiterate enough how much the email issue and Foundation issue hurt Clinton with many potential voters – independents, many Democrats like me and many others.
These were real issues with teeth, by the way, but many Democrat voters and the Clinton campaign continued to bury their heads in the sand and insist that they were “made-up issues” and concocted by the “right-wing conspiracy.”

In a nutshell, Trump’s Access Hollywood tape was obscene, but almost as obscene to me was theWikiLeaks revelation that Clinton Foundation money had helped pay for Chelsea Clinton’s wedding and living expenses for a decade.

More broadly, the Democratic Party has become, like Bill Maher says, a “boutique” party, a party of flashiness and glitz with its Lady Gagas and Katy Perrys and Beyonces, and with its non-stop debates on race, gender and sexuality. These issues are important, but they came at the expense of talking about bread-and-butter issues, which is why the Rust Belt voters bolted.
Liberals and the Democratic Party have some serious work to do. Among them: Don’t condescend to rural voters, the non-college-educated, and conservative Christians, and don’t paint them in a single dimension. At the very least, extend them the same courtesy you do to immigrants, Muslims, gay people. And don’t judge their groups by their worst members, the thing you – we – say about Muslims.
Further,the Democratic Party’s identity politics makes it hard for Americans to talk honestly about Islamic extremism, undocumented immigration, and many other issues.
Most of all, I mourn that the Democratic Party (and millions of Democratic voters) that prides itself on being an evidence-based party has lost its way and ignored the evidence that their candidate was deeply flawed.

In the Electoral-College-versus-popular-vote, my take is that Trump’s Electoral College victory is a more representative victory nationwide than Clinton’s popular vote victory. If we went by only popular vote tallies, in the future, populous states like California, New York and Texas may decide elections. I know this isn’t a perfect argument, though.
I’m not happy Trump won, but I’m glad Clintonism lost. The Democratic Party deserved to lose for many reasons, but especially because it had gotten annoyingly complacent about its demographic “coalition,” and smug in its convictions of its moral superiority.
 
Bernie was so much better than Hillary but the (DNC?) primary voters were stupid. ;)

He understood what Trump did (and what Hillary sadly did not), the first rule of campaigning: promise everyone everything. Worrying about pay-fors and putting realistic policy proposals in white papers is not what the situation called for. Pandering to a few tens of thousands of Rust Belters would've turned her comfortable popular vote win into a comfortable electoral vote win as well.

This bizarre urge for soul-searching and deeper meaning misses the obvious.
 
This is a great take from a Bernie Sanders supporter on why Hillary et all lost:



A message to liberals and the Democratic Party

Too much stuff keeps popping up for me to get to the article. Having let you know I didn't get to read the article, Hillary said the reason she lost was her base didn't show up. That has a ring of truth to it. But it wasn't her base, it was the Democratic base, probably the Sanders base of support. Sanders supporters didn't like Clinton to begin with dubbing her "Wall Street Hillary." Then the e-mails more or less providing proof that the Democratic primaries were rigged in favor of Clinton, that the DNC and state Democratic leaders backed Clinton if rigged is too strong a word turned a lot of young Sanders supporters off. A lot stayed home as they couldn't stomach voting for Clinton even against Trump. Those Sanders supporters who did vote gave Clinton 62% of their vote, Trump 22% and third party candidate 17%. Compare that to the Democratic base as a whole, Democrats went 89-8 over Trump with 3% voting third party.

Two more interesting tid bits, in the 18-29 age bracket, Clinton won them 55-36 with 9% voting third party. In 2012 Obama won this age bracket 60-37 with 3% voting third party. Union household vote especially important in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, Clinton won them 51-42 over Trump with 7% voting third party. 2012, Obama won union households 58-40 with only 2% voting third party. Big difference in carrying union households by 18 points and by 9 points which Clinton did. Trump also received a higher percentage of black, Hispanic and Asian vote than Romney did and thus, Clinton less. Plus voter turnout as a percentage was 2.5 point lower than in 2012.
 
Too much stuff keeps popping up for me to get to the article. Having let you know I didn't get to read the article, Hillary said the reason she lost was her base didn't show up. That has a ring of truth to it. But it wasn't her base, it was the Democratic base, probably the Sanders base of support. Sanders supporters didn't like Clinton to begin with dubbing her "Wall Street Hillary." Then the e-mails more or less providing proof that the Democratic primaries were rigged in favor of Clinton, that the DNC and state Democratic leaders backed Clinton if rigged is too strong a word turned a lot of young Sanders supporters off. A lot stayed home as they couldn't stomach voting for Clinton even against Trump. Those Sanders supporters who did vote gave Clinton 62% of their vote, Trump 22% and third party candidate 17%. Compare that to the Democratic base as a whole, Democrats went 89-8 over Trump with 3% voting third party.

Two more interesting tid bits, in the 18-29 age bracket, Clinton won them 55-36 with 9% voting third party. In 2012 Obama won this age bracket 60-37 with 3% voting third party. Union household vote especially important in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, Clinton won them 51-42 over Trump with 7% voting third party. 2012, Obama won union households 58-40 with only 2% voting third party. Big difference in carrying union households by 18 points and by 9 points which Clinton did. Trump also received a higher percentage of black, Hispanic and Asian vote than Romney did and thus, Clinton less. Plus voter turnout as a percentage was 2.5 point lower than in 2012.

Please look at post #10
 
Why'd Hillary lose?

In a change election running an establishment candidate is a winning strategy?

It's pretty amazing. When one candidate represents the status quo, and we see the "right direction - wrong direction" statistics, that one candidate is at a distinct disadvantage right out of the gate. Simply put, it was impossible for Hillary to distance herself enough from the Obama administration's policies and economic realities.
 
Hillary lost because she is a terrible candidate. There.

Hopefully she retires from public life, or at the very least stops trying to run for POTUS.

As long as they can keep propping her up...

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As long as they can keep propping her up...

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Oh please. A robot would have done a far better job imitating human empathy. Hillary was obviously a combination of lizard/pod person.
 
HRC lost because the Russians hacked the DNC's emails, altered them, and leaked them. The Russians also hacked the voting machines in several swing states. HRC received $2 million more votes (and counting) that Dump. We are so vulnerable to outside tampering. It's like we're a third world country. And the folks that voted for Trump are going to be disappointed when his actual corruption exceeds anything in your wildest imaginations, including your imagining that HRC ever did anything criminal.

Wake up, sheeple!
 
HRC lost because the Russians hacked the DNC's emails, altered them, and leaked them. The Russians also hacked the voting machines in several swing states. HRC received $2 million more votes (and counting) that Dump. We are so vulnerable to outside tampering. It's like we're a third world country. And the folks that voted for Trump are going to be disappointed when his actual corruption exceeds anything in your wildest imaginations, including your imagining that HRC ever did anything criminal.

Wake up, sheeple!

Oh wow. You really need some help in coping with reality. They have drugs for that but first you have to admit that you have a problem.
 
HRC lost because the Russians hacked the DNC's emails, altered them, and leaked them. The Russians also hacked the voting machines in several swing states. HRC received $2 million more votes (and counting) that Dump. We are so vulnerable to outside tampering. It's like we're a third world country. And the folks that voted for Trump are going to be disappointed when his actual corruption exceeds anything in your wildest imaginations, including your imagining that HRC ever did anything criminal.

Wake up, sheeple!

I can't tell if you are being serious or snyde.
 
Oh wow. You really need some help in coping with reality. They have drugs for that but first you have to admit that you have a problem.

Hey, I'm just reporting actual facts. Come out of your bubble, Mr. Conservative. Come out and enjoy the fresh air before your party destroys the earth.
 
I can't tell if you are being serious or snyde.

Lets say I enjoy generating lively discussions :) I mean the stuff I posted was kinda true? Happy Saturday my conservative bros and sis's!
 
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