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MaggieD said:
What a surprise.

Not.

Those people protesting for $15 think they're going to get raises. A few will. The greater majority will LOSE their jobs. I guess the union didn't mention that when they bussedin their shills.
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Why would they?
It defeats their promises of making businesses pay.

Not that the majority of that raise go to poor people anyway.
It mostly goes to middle class people.
 
EvaPeron said:
On the surface it seems scary. But I think it'll just improve service and wait times. There will then be the need to hire skilled workers who oversee the technology. And still workers to fill the orders etc. when something changes and reduces need in one area, it usually increases needs in other areas. Maybe all those college degreed people can now find employment in technology management.
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The tech is handled by 3rd party vendor.
 
Chomsky said:
Oh Maggie, not you too! :roll:

Take a look at my post #20, then do a little research on the places that have enacted a $15 min wage. Try not to focus on the headlines, but delve into the numbers. I believe Seattle is the oldest (2 years), but some others followed suit.

You'll find raising the minimum wage had extremely minimal effect on the employment parameters that many here decry will collapse. By minimal, I'm talking variance within 1%! All while the (minimum) wages were raised nearly 40-50%! And what might be the best part? Non-minimal (non-regulated) wages rose too!

The business still do well, and the employees and their families rely less on social services, and enjoy the dignity of supporting themselves more completely through the labors of the work. Less social services + more income taxes paid is good for the local and federal government, too. And while I don't have data, I highly suspect the better paid employees are happier employees, which is not at all bad for them or the business that employs them. This is very much a win-win for all. And with very little downside.
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Forbes Welcome

Yea jos are down and unemployment is up
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/0...recession-after-15-wage-law-goes-into-effect/

How is this a good thing?

You can't expect people to pay a wage to a job that doesn't call for it.
 
Chomsky said:
Oh Maggie, not you too! :roll:

Take a look at my post #20, then do a little research on the places that have enacted a $15 min wage. Try not to focus on the headlines, but delve into the numbers. I believe Seattle is the oldest (2 years), but some others followed suit.

You'll find raising the minimum wage had extremely minimal effect on the employment parameters that many here decry will collapse. By minimal, I'm talking variance within 1%! All while the (minimum) wages were raised nearly 40-50%! And what might be the best part? Non-minimal (non-regulated) wages rose too!

The business still do well, and the employees and their families rely less on social services, and enjoy the dignity of supporting themselves more completely through the labors of the work. Less social services + more income taxes paid is good for the local and federal government, too. And while I don't have data, I highly suspect the better paid employees are happier employees, which is not at all bad for them or the business that employs them. This is very much a win-win for all. And with very little downside.
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I've got to guess that in suburban Chicago 3 out of 5 fast food employees are Spanish with language barriers. It is VERY difficult for me to believe that people who have a problem speaking English would not be replaced by those who can. You may be right. I guess we'll see...
 
Orly? said:
Thoughts..

Well, my burgers better get cheaper.. Might have to tell em if not..

If their computer still screws up my orders I'll be salty, unlike their fries that need more salt..

They need new food.. Their really isn't anything there I want. I only ever use it for convenience. It's the only fast food within miles of me really..
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Nope, you will save nothing. Think of like this, when grocery stores started having self checkout lines did you save money for doing all the work, there ya go.
 
MaggieD said:
I've got to guess that in suburban Chicago 3 out of 5 fast food employees are Spanish with language barriers. It is VERY difficult for me to believe that people who have a problem speaking English would not be replaced by those who can. You may be right. I guess we'll see...
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I think it is an evil joke by some managers, they put the employee with the worst English skills in the drive through, plus they get a built in excuse if they F up your order, laughs all day long.
 
MaggieD said:
I've got to guess that in suburban Chicago 3 out of 5 fast food employees are Spanish with language barriers. It is VERY difficult for me to believe that people who have a problem speaking English would not be replaced by those who can. You may be right. I guess we'll see...
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You know, you make a very good point I didn't even think about: Higher wages may draw-in a higher quality employee.

In fact, I recently read an article evaluating the increased minimum wage in Seattle at 18 mos, and I recall seeing something like that in passing. The employers had more candidates to chose from, as more prospective employees applied for work.
 
Casper said:
I think it is an evil joke by some managers, they put the employee with the worst English skills in the drive through, plus they get a built in excuse if they F up your order, laughs all day long.
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I have several national franchise fast food locations I won't even go to. The language barrier is way too high, the competency is ridiculous, and quite honestly the work areas look like a third world slum.

My anger is directed at the corporations here. It's insulting to me as a customer, and the working conditions look horrendous for those doing the job.

I'm all for work ethic and starting on the bottom, but there can be little dignity & self-worth in working at the bottom of these several stores.

Oh, they're all Wendy's - BTW.
 
Chomsky said:
I have several national franchise fast food locations I won't even go to. The language barrier is way too high, the competency is ridiculous, and quite honestly the work areas look like a third world slum.

My anger is directed at the corporations here. It's insulting to me as a customer, and the working conditions look horrendous for those doing the job.

I'm all for work ethic and starting on the bottom, but there can be little dignity & self-worth in working at the bottom of these several stores.

Oh, they're all Wendy's - BTW.
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Corporations don't give a rats arse about us, they only care on what they can make off of us. The good thing for me is my fast food consumption is decreased over the years to almost never. Maybe one of these days people will figure out that if they do not support such ideas the ideas die off, but then again if we all demanded that our products were mainly made in America we would not have the job loss issue that we do, sadly we are part of the problem.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
My impression, from the OP link, is that table delivery is part of the new McService package.
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Ahhh ok i missed that part. I just skimmed it. Thanks for that

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Chomsky said:
Thanks for the thread starter, but your OP article does not support that I bolded in your post, and instead claims this:

"Many chains like McDonald's have struggled with slower food delivery in recent years, because there are more items on the menu (among other factors). But the world's largest restaurant chain, which serves approximately 68 million customers daily in 119 countries, is trying to change that."

Also, the article title byline additionally supports the above paragraph I quoted:

"The largest restaurant chain in the world is trying to put the 'fast' back in fast food."

In fact the entire thrust of the article, from start to finish, seems to revolve around the concept of providing a faster experience.

To the bolded: Nope, when raising or lowing minimum wage it is not common sense for it to change labor demand, at least not appreciably. There is some elasticity, but labor is a product of business demand. Lower wages will do nothing if business demand does not support hiring. Businesses do not hire unnecessary employees! And conversely, if business demand warrants hiring, it will be done even with higher wages. Labor is a demand function.

I suspect your thinking of consumer demand, where consumer demand is driven by product pricing. Lower the price of a consumer good, and it's likely to stimulate demand. But labor doesn't work like that. It is driven by business demand.

Now there may be some elasticity there, but not to the substantial degree that's being suggested.

However, you are very right in that higher wages can accelerate the implementation of technology. No doubt about that. But again as you said, usually the technology was on it's way in (as in the example here), and lowering wages only forestalls the future implementation marginally. Lowering one's wages to compete with technology is a fool's errand, resulting in a race to the bottom where the machine will eventually win regardless; tech gets cheaper over time too, don't forget, so the employee will never win that gambit.
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Good post and yes in a sense i see a parallel between consumer demand and labor demand relationships. Buisinesses are consumers of labor as customers are cunsumers of the end products. Ultimately the end user sets the value of everything either directly or indirectly.

As a general rule of thumb the consumer demands the best quality and quanity of a product for the least amount. That basic principle is why competition typically results in driving the sale price down while driving quality and quanity of a product up.

In the case of mcdonalds, if consumers are content to pay $10 for a meal that once cost $5 there is no problem with increasing wages but, if not, the company is faced with making a choice. They can discontinue selling hamburgers because they are no longer profitable or they can find ways to maximize resources to produce hamburgers at a price that the consumer will tolerate. I am over simplifing it but the reality is that its a balancing act.

I do agree thst its a fools etrand for people to try to compete against automation. As a general rule of thumb automation is going to win.

Its an interesting dilemma that mankind is facing. How do people who there is no demand for survive in the modern world that we are evolving into?

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ludin said:
McDonald's Has Made a Huge Announcement That Just May Change Fast Food Forever | Inc.com

McDonalds is now going to roll out self order kiosks to all locations.
why? to control labor costs and the huge spike some places have put on minimum wage.

What does this mean? no cashier.

while some might be moved to other places others are going to be fired.

This also means less job openings for entry level employee's.
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You can't have high minimum wages and more jobs, I guess.

PS: It's not really a guess. ;)
 
Orly? said:
Thoughts..

Well, my burgers better get cheaper.. Might have to tell em if not..

If their computer still screws up my orders I'll be salty, unlike their fries that need more salt..

They need new food.. Their really isn't anything there I want. I only ever use it for convenience. It's the only fast food within miles of me really..
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Actually, I really like a McD or Burger King once in a while, though, I don't use them for convenience. I make a conscious detour for the silly food. Usually I feed on more gentile stuff, but sometimes ....
 
joG said:
You can't have high minimum wages and more jobs, I guess.

PS: It's not really a guess. ;)
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it pays minimum wage for a reason.
 
Chomsky said:
Thanks for the thread starter, but your OP article does not support that I bolded in your post, and instead claims this:

"Many chains like McDonald's have struggled with slower food delivery in recent years, because there are more items on the menu (among other factors). But the world's largest restaurant chain, which serves approximately 68 million customers daily in 119 countries, is trying to change that."

Also, the article title byline additionally supports the above paragraph I quoted:

"The largest restaurant chain in the world is trying to put the 'fast' back in fast food."

In fact the entire thrust of the article, from start to finish, seems to revolve around the concept of providing a faster experience.

To the bolded: Nope, when raising or lowing minimum wage it is not common sense for it to change labor demand, at least not appreciably. There is some elasticity, but labor is a product of business demand. Lower wages will do nothing if business demand does not support hiring. Businesses do not hire unnecessary employees! And conversely, if business demand warrants hiring, it will be done even with higher wages. Labor is a demand function.

I suspect your thinking of consumer demand, where consumer demand is driven by product pricing. Lower the price of a consumer good, and it's likely to stimulate demand. But labor doesn't work like that. It is driven by business demand.

Now there may be some elasticity there, but not to the substantial degree that's being suggested.

However, you are very right in that higher wages can accelerate the implementation of technology. No doubt about that. But again as you said, usually the technology was on it's way in (as in the example here), and lowering wages only forestalls the future implementation marginally. Lowering one's wages to compete with technology is a fool's errand, resulting in a race to the bottom where the machine will eventually win regardless; tech gets cheaper over time too, don't forget, so the employee will never win that gambit.
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The real challenge will be how to organise ourselves, when the machine has eliminated everything we have to do. ;)
 
I have two concerns:

1) does this mean that we sit, and then have to get up to get the soda after who knows how long when someone finally brings us a cup? That would suck. Having employees bring filled sodas to the table would be going in the wrong direction re labor so I dont expect that, nor would I want that, as I pour my soda the way I like it.

2) I can pretty much promise that drive through orders get priority, so sit down is going to increasingly become slow food as labor gets cut at as McD's increasingly balls up the kitchens, a problem they have consistent been making worse, the latest example is breakfast all day.
 
Orly? said:
Thoughts..

Well, my burgers better get cheaper.. Might have to tell em if not..

If their computer still screws up my orders I'll be salty, unlike their fries that need more salt..

They need new food.. Their really isn't anything there I want. I only ever use it for convenience. It's the only fast food within miles of me really..
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You think their fries need more salt?

I order mine without salt and they come covered in salt anyway.

How much salt do you need?
 
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