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The End of Identity Liberalism

yankintx said:
Again, low Dem turnout on election day, looking forward to 2018, by then some of his ardent supporters will find out that the swamp is even deeper than before Trump.
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The Left has been getting weaker in America over MANY election cycles, a point that has been pointed out \:

A Democratic Party task force "autopsy" following the 2014 midterms confirms the theory.

Since 2009, "We have suffered devastating losses at all levels of government since 2008 including: 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats, 910 state legislative seats, 30 state legislative chambers [and] 11 governorships." While the party energized young and minority voters in 2008 and 2012, according to the report, its leadership is still largely old and white, and it has struggled to recruit new leaders and fresh-faced candidates at the state and local level.
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Access Denied

So upon an admission of this reality from the party report what did the party do about working on the problem.

Absolutely nothing, because most everyone went into denial.

Hillary was preordained, and they have the mexicans.

They were sure about this.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The Left has been getting weaker in America over MANY election cycles, a point that has been pointed out \:



Access Denied

So upon an admission of this reality from the party report what did the party do about working on the problem.

Absolutely nothing, because most everyone went into denial.

Hillary was preordained, and they have the mexicans.

They were sure about this.
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Oh really, wishful thinking, and I prefer not to live in a one party state.
 
TheGoverness said:
That's a contradiction. ;)
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Now that is an interesting point. Is it still liberal to be, what was liberal, when liberal is no more, what it was? Is that an oxymoron?
 
joG said:
Now that is an interesting point. Is it still liberal to be, what was liberal, when liberal is no more, what it was? Is that an oxymoron?
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Like how feminists used to want equality, but now they claim that men must be denied Constitutional rights in the required project of protecting women from men...because men suck so bad.
 
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Agree with your message for the most part.
However, I think that liberalism has been dead, or at least seriously wounded for sometime. Progressivism and liberalism are not compatible, at least in the way Progressivism is currently understood.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Produce what? Their ideas have failed and they have taken no interest in forming new ideas as they have been in decline. In fact their major effort seems to be put into denying the decline.

They best shut their mouths, let Trump and the Rebellion have all the rope they want, go into hibernation and try to come up with some good ideas, and then wait for an opportunity to try to sell these as yet non existent good ideas to the people.

Trying to be a speed bump for the winners will not work like it did for the R's because the D's cant get the votes to make it work.

That's my trying to be helpful advise.
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You do know that the Congress is ruled by Repubs, right? The only "revolution" was in the Whitehouse, trump will have to work with the Repubs or he will accomplish little and the Dems only have to sit back and wait, oh play critic. You seem to have missed an important fact, nearly half of the Voters did not vote and most of those that did vote did not vote for trump, so saying they do not have the votes might be misleading. It may just mean they ran someone that people were not interested in supporting and that a great many were too lazy to show up, they are Libs. So back to what I said, either the Party in power fixes things enough to satisfy the masses or those same people will step up to the voting booth and change it once again, has happen many times in my lifetime and it will happen again.
 
yankintx said:
Again, low Dem turnout on election day, looking forward to 2018, by then some of his ardent supporters will find out that the swamp is even deeper than before Trump.
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Unfortunately you may be correct.
 
Eric7216 said:
Agree with your message for the most part.
However, I think that liberalism has been dead, or at least seriously wounded for sometime. Progressivism and liberalism are not compatible, at least in the way Progressivism is currently understood.
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Notice the huge break between older liberals and young "progressives" on the notion of honoring elections.
 
Casper said:
You do know that the Congress is ruled by Repubs, right? The only "revolution" was in the Whitehouse, trump will have to work with the Repubs or he will accomplish little and the Dems only have to sit back and wait, oh play critic. You seem to have missed an important fact, nearly half of the Voters did not vote and most of those that did vote did not vote for trump, so saying they do not have the votes might be misleading. It may just mean they ran someone that people were not interested in supporting and that a great many were too lazy to show up, they are Libs. So back to what I said, either the Party in power fixes things enough to satisfy the masses or those same people will step up to the voting booth and change it once again, has happen many times in my lifetime and it will happen again.
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Actually you are wrong, because Trump is willing to go to the D's to get a deal, and if the D's decide put their flawed plan to boost the party before nation by refusing to work then they will get reamed again next time at the polls yet again. So you see if both parties dont figure out a way to get some work done the next election will be a referendum on Trump, and if Trump does as will as I think he will at this job that is a vote that he is going to win.

Plus the D's will be paying a long time for the failure of Obama, and in particular for the failure of ObamaCare.

The D's are dogmeat till they come up with some ideas, and recruit some political talent to sell those ideas to the nation.

There are no shortcuts.
 
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Casper said:
Unfortunately you may be correct.
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Politics go in cycles, I did not declare the GOP dead in 2008, and anyone who thinks the Progressive movement is DOA does not understand politics. LMAO at Bannons declraration that the Right Wing would be in charge for 50 years, guess that razor thin victory has gone to his head, fear not, the Dems will be back, they survived Reagan, and they will cope, by concentrating on 2018.
 
Kurmugeon said:
The Progressives have been using Group Identity politics for so long, and so strongly, that they are deeply engrained in a rut of it. They cannot easily stop using Identity Politics, it has become a reflex and instict to use it first and foremost.

Furthermore, they have deep down belief in their own superiority, particularly in seeing themselves as superior to Straight-White-Male-Rural-Working Americans. The Left is deeply invested in the concept that "Bubba" is an in-bred creatin unfit to run his own life, or have any say in Government or democracy.

Yet, in 2016, Bubba and his now convinced Wife, Father, and Two adult Sons got their act together, and Bloc-Voted against the Progressive Candidate... and they're not likely to stop Bloc-Voting against the Progressive Candidate in the next 20 years of national elections.

They have awoken the "Sleeping Giant" of the working white vote, he is pissed as hell, and the Progressives are still sneering in contempt at his race and gender.

Progressives will not win another election, until and unless something happens which re-splits the Working White Vote.

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I love how you think identity politics is a bad thing, but you yourself are constantly talking about the 'white vote'.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Actually you are wrong, because Trump is willing to go to the D's to get a deal, and if the D's decide put their flawed plan to boost the party before nation by refusing to work then they will get reamed again next time at the polls yet again. So you see if both parties dont figure out a way to get some work done the next election will be a referendum on Trump, and if Trump does as will as I think he will at this job that is a vote that he is going to win.

Plus the D's will be paying a long time for the failure of Obama, and in particular for the failure of ObamaCare.

The D's are dogmeat till they come up with some ideas, and recruit some political talent to sell those ideas to the nation.

There are no shortcuts.
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The Dems will be paying for a long time? Like the GOP was going to pay for the Iraqi disaster, voters have a short memory. That is pure wishfull thinking on your part.
 
yankintx said:
The Dems will be paying for a long time? Like the GOP was going to pay for the Iraqi disaster, voters have a short memory. That is pure wishfull thinking on your part.
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The R's did pay, a nobody with almost no experience (who ended up sucking at the job) beat them twice for POTUS.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Actually you are wrong, because Trump is willing to go to the D's to get a deal, and if the D's decide put their flawed plan to boost the party before nation by refusing to work then they will get reamed again next time at the polls yet again. So you see if both parties dont figure out a way to get some work done the next election will be a referendum on Trump, and if Trump does as will as I think he will at this job that is a vote that he is going to win.

Plus the D's will be paying a long time for the failure of Obama, and in particular for the failure of ObamaCare.

The D's are dogmeat till they come up with some ideas, and recruit some political talent to sell those ideas to the nation.

There are no shortcuts.
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Think that if you will, time will tell how accurate you are or are not. I love History, we are watching it unfold as we speak, whether it is Good or Bad History is yet to be determined. I see a very bumpy road ahead.
 
yankintx said:
Politics go in cycles, I did not declare the GOP dead in 2008, and anyone who thinks the Progressive movement is DOA does not understand politics. LMAO at Bannons declraration that the Right Wing would be in charge for 50 years, guess that razor thin victory has gone to his head, fear not, the Dems will be back, they survived Reagan, and they will cope, by concentrating on 2018.
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Fear Not? I am no Dem or Repub, I hope Both Parties splinter and new and Better Parties are formed, this election clearly proved that the American People have lost faith in the Big Two and what they offer.
 
Casper said:
Think that if you will, time will tell how accurate you are or are not. I love History, we are watching it unfold as we speak, whether it is Good or Bad History is yet to be determined. I see a very bumpy road ahead.
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Pulling buses out of ditches always is hard on the nerves.

It time for people to grow some intestinal fortitude.

Do people even remember what that is?
 
The winds of change are sweeping through the West, challenging decades of conventional wisdom, overturning the dominant liberal consensus, and reviving a greater sense of national identity and self-determination. Without a doubt, the extraordinary victory by the Vote Leave campaign in Britain's EU referendum was a precursor to the November presidential election in the US, with an emphatic humbling of the political establishment against all odds and all expectations. Though the Brexit campaign was in many respects different to that of Mr. Trump in both style and messaging, both succeeded in delivering a political earthquake that shook the global political order.
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We are witnessing the end of the liberal era (Opinion) - CNN.com
Nile Gardiner is the director of the Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom at the Heritage Foundation and a former aide to Margaret Thatcher.

THIS
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Pulling buses out of ditches always is hard on the nerves.

It time for people to grow some intestinal fortitude.

Do people even remember what that is?
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They are about to Learn. Good
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The R's did pay, a nobody with almost no experience (who ended up sucking at the job) beat them twice for POTUS.
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And now all of America will pay, courtesy of the GOP

But thats politics
 
Casper said:
Fear Not? I am no Dem or Repub, I hope Both Parties splinter and new and Better Parties are formed, this election clearly proved that the American People have lost faith in the Big Two and what they offer.
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Your reading far too much into Trumps victory, it will be buisness as usual, the Trumps will get even richer, and that Wall will be nothing more than a figment of Trumps imagination, after all, lets not forget he is the Birther in Chief.
 
yankintx said:
Your reading far too much into Trumps victory, it will be buisness as usual, the Trumps will get even richer, and that Wall will be nothing more than a figment of Trumps imagination, after all, lets not forget he is the Birther in Chief.
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Actually I am in a wait and see mode right now, but business as usual is not what I think we will be getting. Never thought the wall was going up, we cannot afford it and Congress would never fund it.
 
Kushinator said:
I originally read this op-ed a few days ago, and it has stuck with me as i continue to observe our political landscape. Going back eight years, a key difference between the Clinton and Obama campaign was that Clinton targeted her message toward specific groups, e.g. women, the poor, minorities, etc... where as Obama's message was inclusive (Change we can believe in). Of course, this was a strategy sparked by Trump's own targeting of specific groups to blend nationalist with populist sentiments, which is , a strategy that failed to rile up enough of the base to get elected. Still, Trumps message was about America (even if it is already great).

The article mentions something important:

Establishment Democrats put liberalism against the ropes during this election season. The key to rebounding from such a defeat isn't to cry foul of election law, or continue pushing identity politics. It is to govern in a manner that pulls the country together.

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This is a valid assessment if one assumes that the goal of politics is to manipulate voters toward a victory.
 
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