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Is a "registry of Muslims" okay with you?

rcfieldz said:
Do you or do you not have a social security number? Or are you not a citizen of The United States of America?
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Trump is "backing away from" the idea of registering all Muslims, instead saying "there has to be a watch list".


Sounds like there was some misunderstanding in some sense.


http://http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/20/donald-trump-steps-back-from-calling-for-muslim-registry/?ref=first-draft



I for one would not support registering ALL Muslims in the US. Now, if we're talking a watch list of all non-Citizens from nations awash in terrorism and militant Islam, that I'd be ok with.
 
Harshaw said:
1) That is not a "registry."

2) The Constitution says nothing other than a simple count shall be taken. No data, no addresses, no names, no demographics, nothing other than a simple count, for no purpose other than apportioning Representatives.

:roll:
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this "not a registry" was certainly used to find Japanese registered to be here legally after Pearl Harbor.

so it has happened before.
 
shrubnose said:
The only people who don't want the U.S. government to know who they are and where they are are those who are trying to hide.

Think about it a little bit.
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Everyday I look for the dumbest comments on the internet. Thanks to your comment I can stop looking today.
 
ARealConservative said:
this "not a registry" was certainly used to find Japanese registered to be here legally after Pearl Harbor.

so it has happened before.
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Yeah. They actually had to register. Doesn't have a thing to do with what I said.
 
Remember there was this big dust-up a month or two ago about whether or not people on "terror watchlists" should be able to buy guns?
 
Harshaw said:
Yeah. They actually had to register. Doesn't have a thing to do with what I said.
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I'm not sure what you said exactly. the census has become a form of registry. they ask all kinds of horrific questions, and unless you truly know your rights, they will intimidate you into a reply on all of them.
 
ARealConservative said:
I'm not sure what you said exactly. the census has become a form of registry. they ask all kinds of horrific questions, and unless you truly know your rights, they will intimidate you into a reply on all of them.
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Don't worry about it.

:beatdeadhorse
 
shrubnose said:
The only people who don't want the U.S. government to know who they are and where they are are those who are trying to hide.

Think about it a little bit.
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That sounds like something an Imperial Officer would say.

"I assure you. Those who don't have anything to hide have absolutely nothing to fear from the
Galactic Empire."
 
TheGoverness said:
That sounds like something an Imperial Officer would say.

"I assure you. Those who don't have anything to hide have absolutely nothing to fear from the
Galactic Empire."
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Nothing to worry about, it's been done before and not all that long ago. It was 1939 Germany. That worked out very well for racists
 
independentusa said:
The Trump campaign and several GOP members of congress are talking about a registry of Muslims. Trump was asked if that registry didn't sound like the registering of Jews in Nazi Germany before WWII, but he refused to answer. Is registering all Muslims in the country okay with you? Many Cons I have talked to complain about the Federal Government trying to get them to register their guns, but seem okay with registering human beings. I guess I am agaisnt such registry because where does it stop. Are Jews next and after them Catholics, or even those who voted Democratic in past elections. I have often heard the NRA talk about a slippery slope, well, if there was ever a slippery slope, this is it. People often wrongly compare politico's to Hitler, but this action seems to get this country closer to the way Hitler ran his country than anything since we locked up Japanese Americans during WWII.
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They do not want to register all Muslims. They want to register Muslim immigrants, most especially new ones, as these have been a primary source of the few among them who are bent on terrorism.

I see the logic but I don't think it is a wise thing to do. And I think ultimately they will see that and drop the idea. I do hope Homeland Security is on top of it though and continues to keep lists of those who bear watching.
 
Paperview said:
:roll:

The Constitution required demographic information to be collected. & It is necessary to know *who* you're counting, in order....to count them.

You don't seem to get this.
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We haven't said anything about the purpose of the list, and in Trump's case that's alarming.

There have been head counts before, with native Indians as they had to know how many bullets they would need, then there was WW11 where thousands of American born Japanese were put into concentration camps.....but not German born people.

So with that as a record, based on Mr Trump's statements, we are more likely looking at modern gulags and concentration camps than we are a gift list
 
Make it registry-of-persons-from-conflict-zones, and that can be good enough.

And cross-reference that registry with known extremist groups associated with those conflict zones, along with their ideological affiliations, so that there's some way to efficiently look for correlated movements/activities from those of ideological affiliates which might be indicative of a possible terror plot.
 
independentusa said:
The Trump campaign and several GOP members of congress are talking about a registry of Muslims. Trump was asked if that registry didn't sound like the registering of Jews in Nazi Germany before WWII, but he refused to answer. Is registering all Muslims in the country okay with you? Many Cons I have talked to complain about the Federal Government trying to get them to register their guns, but seem okay with registering human beings. I guess I am agaisnt such registry because where does it stop. Are Jews next and after them Catholics, or even those who voted Democratic in past elections. I have often heard the NRA talk about a slippery slope, well, if there was ever a slippery slope, this is it. People often wrongly compare politico's to Hitler, but this action seems to get this country closer to the way Hitler ran his country than anything since we locked up Japanese Americans during WWII.
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Very much NOT OK with the idea. I would however support having a list of those people who have visited or come from any nation that supports radical Islamic terrorism, regardless of their religion.
 
Fearandloathing said:
We haven't said anything about the purpose of the list, and in Trump's case that's alarming.

There have been head counts before, with native Indians as they had to know how many bullets they would need, then there was WW11 where thousands of American born Japanese were put into concentration camps.....but not German born people.

So with that as a record, based on Mr Trump's statements, we are more likely looking at modern gulags and concentration camps than we are a gift list
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Every time there's a terrorist atrocity - what do those like you do? You go out of your way to make emphatic noises about how horrified you are, etc, etc. But what good does it do? Aren't you really just doing it for your own image, more than anything else? How is anything you've said helping to reduce the casualty toll from terrorism?

People like you are quick to strike down the proposals of others, while never offering any useful alternative solutions of your own.
 
sanman said:
Every time there's a terrorist atrocity - what do those like you do? You go out of your way to make emphatic noises about how horrified you are, etc, etc. But what good does it do? Aren't you really just doing it for your own image, more than anything else? How is anything you've said helping to reduce the casualty toll from terrorism?

People like you are quick to strike down the proposals of others, while never offering any useful alternative solutions of your own.
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Me?

If you can EVER find ONE post where I have made "emphatic noises" then I will admit to the above. However I know what I've written an it usually is about how American paranoids go ****ing ape**** and and dtart demanding action.

So now that through your abject and extensive ignorance you have told a lie about me and a serious one. Were this no a anonymous forum I would sue your right wing ass into the next millenia.

I won't be reading it but in future, please try to have at least ONE grain of truth in it

Good bye
 
We need a registry. If Muslims don't like it, then they could do the easy and obvious thing - STOP RADICALISM THAT EXISTS WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY.

No radicalism, no terror. See how easy it is?
 
No US citizen should be forced to 'register' except in the case of individuals that through their actions have proven themselves to be a threat to the community.
 
I could see why some Muslims would end up on the registry, but it is hardly a Muslim only registry. This has been done before. Nothing new to see here.

Huffingtonpost.com
Kobach said the immigration policy group could recommend the reinstatement of a national registry of immigrants and visitors who enter the United States on visas from countries where extremist organizations are active.
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Do you include religios privste schools of all denominations and private schools run by white supremist groups, or just Muslim schools?
 
I have a SS number and not only am I a citizen, I have served in the armed forces to defend this country.
 
Like the NRA who is against registering guns and their owners. Are they doing that because they are afraid. Thinnk about it a bit, if you are able to thinnk that is?
 
We already have that when they get their Visa's
 
Trum throws out ides that are attractive to his uneducated followers and then when the sh*t hits the fan he backs off just enough to keep his followers happy but to sooth enough of the rest of the country to keep from getting impeached. Glad to see it works with you.
 
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