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Biden/Webb could have defeated Trump/Pence

Mac77 said:
The democrat party elders are almost as out of touch with the voters as the repubs in washington were

But thanks to several generations of progressive/liberal brainwashing in the lpublic schools the next dem candidate will lean pretty heavily toward wipe-every-nose socialism

so tickets like biden-web cannot happen
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nah man.
 
Crovax said:
Agreed, but nobody votes for the VP
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In general I agree with this statement,but I do believe that some people may have voted for the Trump/Pence ticket because Pence was on it.He's pretty popular with evangelicals.
 
Crovax said:
Agreed, but nobody votes for the VP
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I think it could make a difference in some cases.

For example, I think a Hillary/Obama ticket in 2008 could have produced the same results as Obama/Biden did. Obama, even as vp, still could have greatly appealed to minority voters.
 
Puigb said:
nah man.
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Dont kid yourself

Who is the leading candidate for 2020 at this moment?

I think you would have to say socialist bernie sanders or undelcared socialist senator pocahontas, Elizabeth warren.
 
Mac77 said:
Dont kid yourself

Who is the leading candidate for 2020 at this moment?

I think you would have to say socialist bernie sanders or undelcared socialist senator pocahontas, Elizabeth warren.
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Not sure, but don't count out Corey Booker.
 
Puigb said:
That's the ticket that would have won the Dems the white house, imo. I could see numerous working class whites who didn't vote for Clinton voting for Biden/Webb, and I think they could also have done real well with minority voters.
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No, it would not have.

Who would have thought when you cheered on mass immigration/whites be displaced they would vote for a person who will stop it? Oh yeah, anyone with a brain.
 
Can't say I'm surprised. Biden is quite favorable, and in the midst of a rage-fueled election season, he'd have had the charisma and that paternal touch to mollify the masses and offer a decent alternative to Trump. Too bad Hillary was bent on becoming president.
 
Gaztopian said:
Can't say I'm surprised. Biden is quite favorable, and in the midst of a rage-fueled election season, he'd have had the charisma and that paternal touch to mollify the masses and offer a decent alternative to Trump. Too bad Hillary was bent on becoming president.
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Puigb said:
That's the ticket that would have won the Dems the white house, imo. I could see numerous working class whites who didn't vote for Clinton voting for Biden/Webb, and I think they could also have done real well with minority voters.
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What I have noticed, since FDR, no one party has been in power for more than 8 years. To me that says it all.
 
Carleen said:
What I have noticed, since FDR, no one party has been in power for more than 8 years. To me that says it all.
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You forget Reagan followed by bush.

The GOP was in power for 12 years

and if Bush41 had been more conservative it would have been 16 years in my opinion
 
Mac77 said:
Dont kid yourself

Who is the leading candidate for 2020 at this moment?

I think you would have to say socialist bernie sanders or undelcared socialist senator pocahontas, Elizabeth warren.
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Things change.

Jeb Bush was once the GOP's leading candidate going into the primaries, and yet the reality T.V. came out of nowhere and race baited his way to the GOP nomination and presidency.

Anything can happen in 4 years.
 
Carleen said:
What I have noticed, since FDR, no one party has been in power for more than 8 years. To me that says it all.
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Clinton received 1.5 million plus more votes than Trump. If voters were truly rejecting her and the Democrats...she would have gotten crushed in the popular vote like McCain did in 2008. What happened in 2016 is completely different from 2008. Obama's presidency was a result of the backlash against Bush and the GOP. That was an example of a landslide victory.

What happened in 2016 is one despised candidate (Clinton), happened to lose to the other one (Trump), because Democrat voters in key swing states chose not to support her like they did Obama. A more likable candidate like Biden probably could have gotten those Democrats who didn't like Clinton to the polls, and we would have had at least 12 years of a Democrat president in the white house, IMO.
 
Puigb said:
That's the ticket that would have won the Dems the white house, imo. I could see numerous working class whites who didn't vote for Clinton voting for Biden/Webb, and I think they could also have done real well with minority voters.
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This of-course completely ignores the fact that this was a outright repudiation of the last 8 years and of Obama's legacy

Bidens just a older dumber Obama and Warren would be parroting nonsense left wing talking points like " breaking up the Banks " and " Single payer ".
 
Fenton said:
This of-course completely ignores the fact that this was a outright repudiation of the last 8 years and of Obama's legacy

Bidens just a older dumber Obama and Warren would be parroting nonsense left wing talking points like " breaking up the Banks " and " Single payer ".
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the facts don't support your assertion, but go ahead and keep singing that tune if you want.
 
Puigb said:
the facts don't support your assertion, but go ahead and keep singing that tune if you want.
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Lol ! Sure they do....

Electoral Map by County
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Fenton said:
Lol ! Sure they do....

Electoral Map by County
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More people casted a vote for Hillary Clinton than Trump. Want an example of a landslide victory? 2008. Heck, 2012 was a more impressive victory than Trump barely squeaking out a victory against the worst candidate the Dems have ever run.
 
Puigb said:
That's the ticket that would have won the Dems the white house, imo. I could see numerous working class whites who didn't vote for Clinton voting for Biden/Webb, and I think they could also have done real well with minority voters.
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at this point, i'm not sure. the backswing of the pendulum was too strong. it does, however, respond to the push it has been given, and this has been quite a push.
 
Puigb said:
Biden is more likable than Clinton.

Plenty of minorities voted for Clinton, but some didn't. Didn't have to do with her skin color for many, IMO. Regardless, even if the minorities didn't vote for them like Obama, I think it could have been made up with white support from Rust belt states.
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Likeable, maybe.

Brain dead, definitely.
 
Helix said:
at this point, i'm not sure. the backswing of the pendulum was too strong. it does, however, respond to the push it has been given, and this has been quite a push.
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I disagree. This was nothing like 2008. Obama's defeat of McCain was an example of a massive swing of the pendulum. 2016 was just one bad candidate barely defeating another in an election where most voters weren't happy with either one.
 
Puigb said:
More people casted a vote for Hillary Clinton than Trump. Want an example of a landslide victory? 2008. Heck, 2012 was a more impressive victory than Trump barely squeaking out a victory against the worst candidate the Dems have ever run.
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The popular vote is irrelevant. Its not how we elect President. Trump flipped SIX States including Michigan and Wisconsin but what do I care if the Left continues to ignore the obvious

You're also ignoring the 2014 midterms which was another repudiation of Obama's legacy
 
Fenton said:
The popular vote is irrelevant. Its not how we elect President. Trump flipped SIX States including Michigan and Wisconsin but what do I care if the Left continues to ignore the obvious
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It's not irrelevant at all when discussing whether a particular president or ideology was rejected. If president Ted Cruz, a real conservative, would have won in a landslide against a Bernie Sanders, THEN you would have a perfect example of an ideology and president being thoroughly rejected. But one bad candidate barely defeating another...only because the candidate he defeated couldn't get voters in her own party to support her is NOT an example of some massive landslide and many years of future GOP rule.


Fenton said:
also ignoring the 2014 midterms which was another repudiation of Obama's legacy
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historically low turn out rate in which the party not in power usually does better.
 
Puigb said:
I disagree. This was nothing like 2008. Obama's defeat of McCain was an example of a massive swing of the pendulum. 2016 was just one bad candidate barely defeating another in an election where most voters weren't happy with either one.
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Yep, both candidates were pretty bad. however, the pendulum was still swinging that way, and now it has been given a further push. we'll see what the next swing looks like.
 
Helix said:
Yep, both candidates were pretty bad. however, the pendulum was still swinging that way, and now it has been given a further push. we'll see what the next swing looks like.
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Trump will be very vulnerable in 2020, IMO, and the Dems should be able to take the white house back assuming they don't try and force another Hillary Clinton down the voters throats. But time will tell I guess.
 
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