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It Begins...Trump Backs out of Biggest Promise

Grand Mal said:
I've noticed throughout this campaign that Trump's supporters are always telling us what he really meant to say.
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When Trump speaks loosely, who is in a better position to tell you what he meant, those against him or those who support him?

I seem to remember the beginning of this with his comment about illegal aliens from Mexico.
In context he spoke about illegal Mexican aliens, not all Mexicans. His supporters seemed to know this yet his detractors wanted to claim otherwise.

And that has been about the same thing with everything his detractors have claimed. Another example was the he hates women/misogyny claim. No, he attacked women in return for attacking him, that doesn't make him a misogynist, etcetera, etcetera ...

So yeah, I would trust his supporters to know more about what and how he speaks then his detractors.
 
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calamity said:
Let's see. He's been Pres elect for two days and he's done what?

1. Stated he plans one of the biggest governemnt infrastructure programs since FDR

2. Basically said, "Well, maybe Obamacare isn't so bad after all. I really like this and that about it."

You've been had.
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Let's see most people republicans think we need to repair stuff.
The problem is not soaking working and poor people to pay for it like democrats wanted.

Yep there are 2 provisions that most republicans agree with.
The horror.
 
It Begins...Trump Backs out of Biggest Promise
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Hilarious.
He hasn't backed out of anything.
 
Excon said:
Hilarious.
He hasn't backed out of anything.
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He can't back out of anything until his inauguration because until then, he has no power to actually do anything.

Some people are just stupid.
 
Harshaw said:
They may not. But they can. It's really not up to Trump what happens.

I suspect he actually doesn't care much about Obamacare and would sign anything they put in front of him.
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Congress will not do anything Trump doesn't want right now. They are afraid of him. Two years of butting heads with Donald and they will be primaried out of office. They know it.
 
calamity said:
Congress will not do anything Trump doesn't want right now. They are afraid of him. Two years of butting heads with Donald and they will be primaried out of office. They know it.
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Preposterous. The ONLY Republican who was primaried out of office had Trump's endorsement. There was not, and is no downticket anti-Establishment movement. And quite a few Republicans were sent back to office with more votes than Trump got in their districts.

And if Congress sent Trump a repeal and he vetoed it, considering that Obamacare repeal was the top concern for Republican voters (and the wall was the bottom) it's Trump who will be in the hot water, not Congress.
 
Excon said:
Hilarious.
He hasn't backed out of anything.
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:lamo

So when he says he's repealing Obamacare, all of it, while campaigning, and then says there are some things he likes about it and may keep it---you say he is not backing out of anything. You're great, Ex. What would life be like here without you? :lol:
 
calamity said:
Congress will not do anything Trump doesn't want right now. They are afraid of him. Two years of butting heads with Donald and they will be primaried out of office. They know it.
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I would hope that Trump and the GOP in Congress learned from the mistakes of Obama and the Democrats in Congress during Obama's first two years. They have to have a plan that they can both agree to get on board with. Any bickering will prevent them from getting much of anything done. They are only guaranteed two years with control of both chambers of Congress as well as the White House. That means they have two years, and only two years, to move their agenda through Congress. If the GOP survives the 2018 mid-terms (the party in power usually loses seats in the mid-terms) then they can consider that extra bonus time.

If they bicker, it's over. They will fail. Trump has to stay focused and not waiver. Ryan has to control the nut blades in the Freedom Caucus and the Tea Party and so on. McConnell has to find a way to work with the Democrats, short of shoving sticks up their butts like Reid did to the Republicans by ignoring them and eliminating the filibuster on votes he wanted passed which only harmed the institution and the country.

We'll see.

BTW, I don't think the Trump support will create a danger for down ballot folks getting primary'ed, because there was a distinct separation of votes between the numbers that voted for Trump in GOP districts and those that voted for their local Congressman or Senator.
 
Congress will never pass a complete repeal of ObamaCare without having something to replace it simultaneously. They simply don't have the votes. The Demos can stop it in the Senate with a filibuster. :doh

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calamity said:
:lamo

So when he says he's repealing Obamacare, all of it, while campaigning, and then says there are some things he likes about it and may keep it---you say he is not backing out of anything. You're great, Ex. What would life be like here without you? :lol:
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Hilarious.

Again.

He hasn't backed out of anything.​

What do you not understand about that?

If he repeals and replaces Obamacare, as he offered as just one possibility, and then makes those two provisions available in what he replaces it with, he hasn't backed out of anything as you absurdly think.
 
Opopanax said:
Good. If true, that makes me feel a lot better about the man. And if true, maybe it speaks to more substantive things he has planned for healthcare in this country. As citizens of the same nation, we should care about the health and welfare of each other if for no other reason than it means we ourselves are also being looked out for. I hope this news bodes well for all of us.
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Well, hopefully without exhibiting overt Stockholm Syndrome, wouldn't it be something if we got a Trump that is more akin to the early primary Trump? The guy that was a single-payer proponent.

I always had a theory in the back of my mind that he was playing the Republicans to the hilt, and may actually be more like the pre-primary Donald.

Now I highly doubt single-payer will occur, but if Trump ever managed to instate single-payer I would gladly become deplorable!
 
Chomsky said:
Well, hopefully without exhibiting overt Stockholm Syndrome, wouldn't it be something if we got a Trump that is more akin to the early primary Trump? The guy that was a single-payer proponent.

I always had a theory in the back of my mind that he was playing the Republicans to the hilt, and may actually be more like the pre-primary Donald.

Now I highly doubt single-payer will occur, but if Trump ever managed to instate single-payer I would gladly become deplorable!
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The Dems have a chance here to drive a wedge between Trump and the Congressional GOP. He's obviously not a "government is best which governs least" guy, nor is an ideologue ala Ryan. But he is grandiose. He'll want policy to be big and decisive, a monument to his own greatness. It seems to me much more likely he'd want to help those struggling working class whites afford coverage through Medicare Part Trump than to wage Ryan's ideological war by privatizing traditional Medicare. Which means he may well be able to find more common cause with the Dem minority than some of the nutbars in the GOP caucus. We shall see.
 
Chomsky said:
Well, hopefully without exhibiting overt Stockholm Syndrome, wouldn't it be something if we got a Trump that is more akin to the early primary Trump? The guy that was a single-payer proponent.I always had a theory in the back of my mind that he was playing the Republicans to the hilt, and may actually be more like the pre-primary Donald.

Now I highly doubt single-payer will occur, but if Trump ever managed to instate single-payer I would gladly become deplorable!
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You really think Single Payer could get through Congress?

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Harshaw said:
We'll see. It's an entirely different ballgame now; Obama will be gone and there will be no need to even try to appease him. Many Republicans want it completely gone.
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True.

But they've got to get 60% of the House members (including Dems) to be willing to vote to throw their constintuents off their insurance. That might be so easy for all the House members.
 
calamity said:
Let's see. He's been Pres elect for two days and he's done what?

1. Stated he plans one of the biggest governemnt infrastructure programs since FDR

2. Basically said, "Well, maybe Obamacare isn't so bad after all. I really like this and that about it."

You've been had.
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Pretty soon that wall will start looking kinda' expensive, too! :doh
 
Chomsky said:
True.

But they've got to get 60% of the House members (including Dems) to be willing to vote to throw their constintuents off their insurance. That might be so easy for all the House members.
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Leaving alone the "throw constituents off insurance" thing, why would it take 60% of House members?
 
calamity said:
I told the wife at 5 AM Wednesday when I woke up and she was still staring blankly at her computer trying to figure out what went wrong, "Trump is a big City of New York guy. He's not going to get on board with a bunch of Texas and rural Deep South ideas. Just relax."
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And to top it off, he recently befriended a whole bunch of former union-card rustbelt northerners! ;)
 
calamity said:
Let's see. He's been Pres elect for two days and he's done what?

1. Stated he plans one of the biggest governemnt infrastructure programs since FDR

2. Basically said, "Well, maybe Obamacare isn't so bad after all. I really like this and that about it."

You've been had.
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Most of Trump supporters were voting to keep Hillary Clinton out of The White House ;and Hillary Clinton Will not be president. Very few Donald Trump supporters have been had as you would like to say.
 
calamity said:
lol...so all Obamacare needed was some tweaking? :lol:
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no but insurance in this country DOES. the one thing obamacare got right in that was pre-existing conditons..

this is GREAT! how can you liberals NOT be happy about this?

now the question remains, how to keep that and not the overbearing cost... but we shall see what he has planned.
 
Excon said:
When Trump speaks loosely, who is in a better position to tell you what he meant, those against him or those who support him?

I seem to remember the beginning of this with his comment about illegal aliens from Mexico.
In context he spoke about illegal Mexican aliens, not all Mexicans. His supporters seemed to know this yet his detractors wanted to claim otherwise.

And that has been about the same thing with everything his detractors have claimed. Another example was the he hates women/misogyny claim. No, he attacked women in return for attacking him, that doesn't make him a misogynist, etcetera, etcetera ...

So yeah, I would trust his supporters to know more about what and how he speaks then his detractors.
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I believe anyone that claims they know what Trump is really thinking is deceiving himself.

Even his wifes don't know him.
 
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