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I Told You So...Reconsidered?

Excon said:
1. The Electoral Collage is not a fraud.
2. It has not failed as it worked exactly as intended.


Which is irrelevant to how the system works.
It has was never to be a direct election of the President or a direct representation of what the masses want.
It was meant to be a representation of who the States of the Union wanted to represent them.
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It has 7% failure rate now, with the latest election. The electoral college is suppose to represents the people's votes but fails spectacularly.
 
Carjosse said:
It has 7% failure rate now, with the latest election. The electoral college is suppose to represents the people's votes but fails spectacularly.
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No. :no:

The Electoral College is supposed to represent the individual Sovereign State's votes. The people of each state vote for their State's Electors, and those Electors then represent that vote in the Electoral College.

Each State can decide how that vote is distributed (Winner Take All; Proportionate; via Political Party; w/e).

It was never set up to represent the National popular vote.
 
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Carjosse said:
The whole reason the electoral college exists is before modern communication technology they had no way of knowing who won unless a group of people representing different areas got together and voted. It was a problem in 1776, not anymore. The only reason it stays that way is the politicians like it.
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Catching on are ya, umm, has that awww cr*p moment happened yet?
 
Captain Adverse said:
No.

The Electoral College is supposed to represent the Sovereign States votes. The people of each state vote for their State's Electors, and those Electors then represent that vote in the Electoral College.

It was never set up to represent the popular vote.
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The electors are supposed to be representing the electorate, the reason it exists was so that people's votes could be counted before modern communication technology.
 
Carjosse said:
The electors are supposed to be representing the electorate, the reason it exists was so that people's votes could be counted before modern communication technology.
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I'm sorry, but are you an American expatriate?

Otherwise why would you think you'd know better than someone who has studied (his own national) U.S. history?

I honestly have no more than a vague and general idea how your government works. So I would not try to tell you how that government is supposed to work. :coffeepap:
 
Carjosse said:
He is a symptom of a very broken system and it needs to be fixed, it is a fraud of system.
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On this, I think we can agree. The system of and for the political elites was broken.
The political elites stopped listening to their electorate, stopped listening to the electorate's legitimate concerns, and stopped working to resolving or addressing those legitimate concerns.

In this, they utterly failed.

What I can't agree with you on, is that we should change the system so that the political elite regain their strangle hold on power, and are unanswerable to the electorate they allegedly should be serving.

Or am I misreading or misinterpreting your post?
 
Captain Adverse said:
I'm sorry, but are you an American expatriate?

Otherwise why would you think you'd know better than someone who has studied (his own national) U.S. history?

I honestly have no more than a vague and general idea how your government works. So I would not try to tell you how that government is supposed to work. :coffeepap:
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You do not have to be American to study America history. Just because you do not make the effort to learn anything about other countries does not mean everyone doesn't. There is this amazing resource called the internet to learn things. Maybe you could learn a thing or two our system is only used by like half the world, not important or anything.
 
Carjosse said:
You do not have to be American to study America history. Just because you do not make the effort to learn anything about other countries does not mean everyone doesn't. There is this amazing resource called the internet to learn things.
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My amazing resource is a Master's Degree in U.S. Constitutional Era history from an accredited (actual teaching) university.

The Electoral College was not set up to reflect the National popular vote. From it's inception it was created to filter and reflect the vote of each Sovereign State. That's why the number of Elector's per State mirrored the combined total of each State's members of both houses of Congress.

Article II Section 1...Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress
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Per Article II, each State government was free to have its own plan for selecting its electors. There was no requirement for States to popularly elect their electors.
 
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