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Viking11

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Left/right = economic policy
Authoritarian/libertarian = civil liberties

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Lots of errors.

ISIS, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Eritrea, Iran, Belarus, Russia should all be in the blue area.. they are authoritarian right.

US should be far more to the right, certainly further than freaking Liechtenstein.
 
ISIS, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Eritrea, Iran, Belarus, Russia should all be in the blue area.. they are authoritarian right. .

Please explain how any of those are economically right of center
 
Please explain how any of those are economically right of center

so it is only based on economics all of a sudden? Economically, well lets see. ISIS controls the whole economy for themselves and their supporters. Classic right wing, far far right wing.. as far as it can get. Once the free market is left unchecked, then the economic reality will be the political elite controlling the economy. That applies to all on the list up to a point. It is certainly not left wing economics... where the worker owns everything... not even remotely.

Now politically, it is again right wing.. the strong man and often based on religion or the idolization of one man/idea. None of them promote "socialism" at all, but in fact capitalism gone amok.
 
Left/right = economic policy
so it is only based on economics all of a sudden?

No, petey you just have poor reading comprehension

ISIS controls the whole economy for themselves and their supporters. Classic right wing, far far right wing.. as far as it can get.

When the govt controls the whole economy thats actually as far left as you can go.
 
No, petey you just have poor reading comprehension



When the govt controls the whole economy thats actually as far left as you can go.

LOL hell no. When the whole economy is run and controlled by the people, then that is as far left as you can go. In the above cases, it is controlled by individuals for their own benefit, a classic right wing thing.
 
Thoughts?

Left/right = economic policy
Authoritarian/libertarian = civil liberties

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I've often concluded these grids are off because we do not know how they weight the decision on left or right economically against left or right in terms of civil liberties.

It seems the better exercise might be governmental (Totalitarian to Libertarian) on one axis, and social constructs (religious freedom to Theocracy) based on religion on the other axis.
 
LOL hell no. When the whole economy is run and controlled by the people, then that is as far left as you can go. In the above cases, it is controlled by individuals for their own benefit, a classic right wing thing.

Central planning, government ownership of the means of production, trade protectionism, economic regulation = left-wing

Market competition, private ownership of the means of production, free trade, economic freedom = right-wing

It's basic economics.
 
Central planning, government ownership of the means of production, trade protectionism, economic regulation = left-wing

Market competition, private ownership of the means of production, free trade, economic freedom = right-wing

It's basic economics.

It is the wrong application of "basic economics." Just about all modern economic models are mixed, the issue at hand is where they lean. Towards market based or towards planned based.
 
LOL hell no. When the whole economy is run and controlled by the people, then that is as far left as you can go. In the above cases, it is controlled by individuals for their own benefit, a classic right wing thing.

Hmm... what is the difference between people and individuals? The distinction is central government planning and/or ownership vs. free market and/or private ownership. Most economies are a mix with certain economic sectors under more government control than others.
 
Central planning, government ownership of the means of production, trade protectionism, economic regulation = left-wing

Market competition, private ownership of the means of production, free trade, economic freedom = right-wing

It's basic economics.

Is it?

Okay one company that is owned by a private businessman that controls the market fully because of political links... is that left or right wing?

Your view is very black and white text book crap.. that cant always be used in the real world.

Case in point. Time Warner or Comcast. They have defacto monopolies in many of their markets because of local legislation that they have helped to put in place. Private companies, but they control the market fully for cable tv and internet. Right wing or left wing policy?
 
Hmm... what is the difference between people and individuals? The distinction is central government planning and/or ownership vs. free market and/or private ownership. Most economies are a mix with certain economic sectors under more government control than others.

There is a difference.

An economy controlled by a strong man or company is clearly right wing. This exists quite a few places.. Russia comes to mind. Nothing goes on in that country without the approval of Putin and his people. Or Iran.. same deal. Uzbekistan.. same deal. The reasoning is, that the wish to dominate other people is a human urge going back to the dawn of man. It is a basic principle of greed, which is a core belief of right wing economic theory and politics.

An economy controlled by government that is of the people by the people is clearly left wing. This exists very few places now and in history, as the government part always has been taken over by a strong man and not run by the people. China and Cuba came close, but never managed it as the human nature to dominate others sprang out among the leadership and their lackeys.

Free market, capitalism, freedom/liberty and all that is not right wing nor left wing really.. because both sides abuse both to gain political power. Time and time again right wingers claim freedom and liberty, free market as a manifesto but when you look at their actions it more than often goes against it. Freedom for all, except Muslims, blacks, Latinos, and other minorities is a classic. Free market, as long as we control it and not others. The biggest backers of monopolies in the US, the right wing. Look at your banking, healthcare, telecommunications and so on.. there is nothing "free market" about those,... more like the opposite.

Now the question is, was the USSR, China, Cuba in reality just right wing in sheeps clothing? There is an argument for this.

And for the record, I believe communism is the ultimate economic system on paper (for everyone)... but it is also unattainable because it goes against some human nature. By this, I mean there will always be someone who wants to dominate someone else and have more than others. Greed is bad when it hurts others. On top of that the technology is simply not there (logistically) to make it viable. If we had the ability to link consumer needs to production so there was no waste.. then well it would be perfect, but that at the moment is impossible. Still waiting for replicators and teleportation technology!

So because of this a controlled free market and capitalism is our best bet.. if we can control it and let it run amok... and that is where modern day "right and left" wing politics and economic theory comes in, in the free world. But once one side or the other starts to manipulate the "free market" so much that it turns into something else, then we are over in something totally different that more represents the right than the left.

It is hard to label countries these days. Iran for example, many Americans think it is a religious nutjob place and in many ways it is.. but in reality not much different than the US bible belt. The economy is much the same as the US on so many levels, with private/government companies dominating individual industries.. sound familiar Comcast and Time Warner? The only difference for many of these places, is that some offer universal healthcare and others dont.. but should that really define them as left wing? of course not.
 
There is a difference.

An economy controlled by a strong man or company is clearly right wing. This exists quite a few places.. Russia comes to mind. Nothing goes on in that country without the approval of Putin and his people. Or Iran.. same deal. Uzbekistan.. same deal. The reasoning is, that the wish to dominate other people is a human urge going back to the dawn of man. It is a basic principle of greed, which is a core belief of right wing economic theory and politics.

Okay, so your view is that left-wing means populism and right-wing means elitism. My view is that left-wing means centrally-planned and right-wing means free-market. I got an idea. Let's view the Political Spectrum as a 3D cube - centrally-planned vs free-market, social libertarian vs authoritarian and populism vs elitism.

Cuba would be centrally planned and populist.

North Korea would be centrally planned and elitist.

Switzerland would be free-market and populist.

Singapore would be free-market and elitist.
 
Okay, so your view is that left-wing means populism and right-wing means elitism. My view is that left-wing means centrally-planned and right-wing means free-market. I got an idea. Let's view the Political Spectrum as a 3D cube - centrally-planned vs free-market, social libertarian vs authoritarian and populism vs elitism.

Cuba would be centrally planned and populist.

North Korea would be centrally planned and elitist.

Switzerland would be free-market and populist.

Singapore would be free-market and elitist.

Your mistake lay in the fact that you think that AMERICAN left-wing means "centrally-planned". The left wing of one country does not automatically equal in practice or in spirit the left wing in any other country - and to imply so is a classically false equivalency.
 
There is a difference.

An economy controlled by a strong man or company is clearly right wing. This exists quite a few places.. Russia comes to mind. Nothing goes on in that country without the approval of Putin and his people. Or Iran.. same deal. Uzbekistan.. same deal. The reasoning is, that the wish to dominate other people is a human urge going back to the dawn of man. It is a basic principle of greed, which is a core belief of right wing economic theory and politics.

Now the question is, was the USSR, China, Cuba in reality just right wing in sheeps clothing? There is an argument for this.

I've thought the same thing for a very long time - authoritarian, no respect for the rights of the people, militarism run amok...how is any of that different from what's being called Trumpism?

It is hard to label countries these days. Iran for example, many Americans think it is a religious nutjob place and in many ways it is.. but in reality not much different than the US bible belt. The economy is much the same as the US on so many levels, with private/government companies dominating individual industries.. sound familiar Comcast and Time Warner? The only difference for many of these places, is that some offer universal healthcare and others dont.. but should that really define them as left wing? of course not.

Well said. What the American right wing simply doesn't seem to get is that people are people are people, all over the world...and we've got a heck of a lot more in common than we seem to think.
 
My view is that left-wing means centrally-planned and right-wing means free-market.

Yes that is the text book description.. but is it realistic?

Take car selling in many US states. Tesla has been hit on this point. Why? Because state governments requires thanks to the big 3 car manufactures lobbying, that to sell cars in said state, you need to have dealerships. A bit of a problem when your whole "stick" is to go via the internet. Is that free market or centrally planned?

Or the fact to own a news media outlet in the US, you need to be a US citizen.. centrally planned or free market? One could call it corporatism, but that in many ways is just "free market central planning" at its worst.

That is why I say it is not black and white.
 
Your mistake lay in the fact that you think that AMERICAN left-wing means "centrally-planned"..

LOL, I never claimed that. I wonder how you came to that conclusion.

The dominant "left-wing" parties in Western countries are center-right economically by world standards. They embrace openness to international trade and investment, flexible regulatory systems that encourage competition and innovation, and property rights. I recommend you check out the Index of Economic Freedom. http://www.heritage.org/index/
 
I am surprised Canada isn't included. Canada id the United States largest trading partner.
 
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